Ok, so you're just wildly speculating.
Thiago Alcantara | Signed for Bayern Munich
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Ok, so you're just wildly speculating.
Somehow I think we are not the best place for Thiago, he should either stay in Barca or move to Bayern for the best of his career. There's just so much uncertainty playing for United under Moyes in this new era, we never have this type of player or this type of player never really blossom under our style of play. If we are lucky enough to get him it's becos of De Gea.
nope. You're just being a miserable sod.
Really hope this is meant to be sarcastic. Otherwise this is mental. We've produced, helped develop and utilised some of the best players of their generation over the years and have done it with players of a wide range of skills and playing styles. You only have to look at scholes. He was easily good enough for barca in his prime.
One of the worst posts ever. We Are Man United for Christ sake. Chelsea and Madrid attract high quality players and they swap managers on almost a yearly basis! Hell they even sign decent players when they don't have a manager at the end of the day SAF has gone but we are this Man United!
I think you're grossly underselling the draw that Manchester United has as a club. The uncertainty of a new manager is a risk but its also something of a benefit to young players - being the leading figures in a new era at one of the biggest clubs in the world.
Thiago needs to see this move as a calculated risk. It could mean that he never quite gels and it doesn't work out or, alternatively, he is propelled into super-stardom. Or he can remain at Barca being happy with a supporting role for the next 2/3 years.
It's not the question whether he's good enough for us or we are good enough for him. It's the style of play that matters. We have had better players before who suit us, and world class talent that flop for us.
Add to that we probably had as good a season a Barca and certainly left the champions league with a lot more dignity are we really that bad a option for him? Yes bayern are ahead at the moment but as has been said 500 times already he should get a lot more playing time here
And players have never flopped for Bayern and Barca?
You're spouting speculation as fact and then saying "whoosh!" to someone as if they are stupid for not understanding this fact.
You're a moron.
Again it's not matter of quality, it's matter of style of play. Some players, who were as outstanding as they were in their generation, never really hit it in United. Examples? Veron, Berbatov and Kagawa (I'll reserve judgement at this moment but lets see)
They flop too, but that's not the point
RedRonaldo, I'm sorry, but you are talking rubbish mate.
We always have talented wingers.
not really sure if this post is serious, if it is then it is bollocks.
Scholes was comfortable in that style of play, we didnt entirely focus on it but he was easily suited to it. We've just taken rvp from a team that approach games in the same way as barca and there's been no issues. The best players can adapt. Do you think xavi couldn't have come and thrived in a united team? Carrick may not be as good as the barca players but he would be suited to their game and could definitely be a part of their squad.
One of our strengths in the premier league has been our diversity in playing styles. Teams like arsenal focus entirely on one style of play, but we've been able to mix it up through strength in both wide and central areas. We may have let ourselves get a bit weaker in the middle in recent years but over most of the time we've been able to mix it up because we have players who can adapt.
If thiago can't adapt then that's more an indicator of him not being as good as made out then anything. Plus hardly like Bayern are like barca, they play similar to us than to barca. I guess you're assuming pep will change their approach but its not a guarantee given how well it's worked for them and either way there's no saying we won't adapt our style. In carrick kagawa and thiago we would have 3 players and others who are strong in possession and could lead a change to an emphasis on more central based play.
Because we
Because we have bought or developed them.. We have had no god given right to have talented wingers compared to anyone else
When you say, "this type of player", what exactly do you mean?
No
Now tell me, how's Thiago will blossom better in Barca (in long term) and Bayern (under Guardiola) so difficult to be comprehend by you lot.
Now tell me, how's Thiago will blossom better in Barca (in long term) and Bayern (under Guardiola) so difficult to be comprehend by you lot.
Our style of play always suit better for this type of players, like Ronaldo, that's all I am saying.
Well I don't know, as those two clubs you have mentioned are wealthy in midfielders. How can one progress and achieve without the required playing time? That's the question!
We tend to play our flair skillful type of players on the wings, our midfield is all about teamwork, passing and work rate. We have Scholes there before but he pass the ball around alot, Thiago, like Anderdon (but at a different level obviously) tends to hold and dribbles with the ball more and take more risk with his pass.
That's a great point if he doesn't play he will not progress. Here he will be in the team, the other teams cannot guarantee that. He will be foolish if he thinks they can.
Hence he will consider playing for us, mainly because of playing time. But at Barca he will become their main man in midfield if he is patient to wait 2-3 more years, at Bayern it's matter of his Guardiola will use him (he may if he consider him to be a better prospect)
Anderson doesn't play on the wing, does he? Oh and
Scholes had the highest passing stats in the league for so many years, what are you laughing at?
I'd be surprised if they offered him a better contract. Reports say he got a new deal just last year and Barca dont want to send a precedent like this because it might spiral into a big wage problem if young players think they can get improved deals so soon one after the other.
He doesn't. And your point is, Anderson blossom in midfield for us?Anderson doesn't play on the wing, does he? Oh and
Stop speaking out your backside and adjusting the argument to meet your criteria. You have just mentioned Scholes, but are dismissing everything that was great about Scholes just so it fits in with your argument. You say he just passed the ball around a lot? Give your head a wobble mate, he was seen by a lot of talented footballers as the best midfielder of his generation. Then you mention Anderson. Anderson has the tools to succeed at United, but he is always injured and not match fit. That isn't something we have done to him. In fact when he has played for us in the past, he has played well for us.
Right. Explain to me why would Barca improve his contract when if he chooses to stay, his clause will increase to 90m euros after July 30.
I'm not speculating. That's what has come out of Spain. Yet you are one of those who say he's not coming as if you know for a fact it is not happening. I'm speculating why they wouldn't renew his contract.
2-3 more years on the bench for barca at his age, would do more harm in his development than playing consistently for us. I don't understand your point here at all.
Veron had an excellent season in 02/03 and then got sold because Chelsea offered us a good price. It's a myth to say he flopped at united.
Berbatov too didn't exactly flop. He won two league title medals and was our top scorer at least once.
Anyway, to get back on topic, Thiago will be exactly what we need if he signs, IMO of course.
Berbatov too didn't exactly flop. He won two league title medals and was our top scorer at least once.
Anyway, to get back on topic, Thiago will be exactly what we need if he signs, IMO of course.
Yep, 2-3 more years is a LONG time to wait for a professional who feels he is ready to take the stage now.
Just look at Pogba. Do you think he would have been happy to sit on the bench playing sporadically for 2-3 years?.
Thiago is ready NOW and wants to play, he has the pick of the worlds best clubs at his feet, why should he not leave?.
Just because he currently plays for Barcelona, does not mean its the be all and end all.
Just look at Pogba. Do you think he would have been happy to sit on the bench playing sporadically for 2-3 years?.
Thiago is ready NOW and wants to play, he has the pick of the worlds best clubs at his feet, why should he not leave?.
Just because he currently plays for Barcelona, does not mean its the be all and end all.
You simply cannot state as fact that Barca will not give him a new contract. You don't know. You've read some tabloid gossip and that's the sum total of your knowledge. Speculation is fine. But disparaging others who do not see this speculation as fact is not.
Yes, but in 2-3 years time they might just go and sign the latest great thing and he will stuck there and still not playing.
Did I say just? Don't misinterpret words in my sentence. Lets face it, Scholes was a great player, Thiago is a different type of players. One thing The Barca camp doesn't like Thiago is because he tend to loss the ball more often trying out something spectacular in midfield. Scholes never loss the ball, he has best ball retention rate. Anderson, on the other hand, is not similar to Scholes at all, he is more similar to Thiago. It's style of play under different system that matters. We tend to leave the skillful risky play to our wingers as our system allows it.
We might be a better place for him in short term, I agree
The way a player fit or didnt fit the barca system doesnt matter because of how unique it is and the emphasis is laid on different things. Our style under SAF had evolved too. Even though wingers were still very important, a lot of our play started going through the middle.
Under the new manager, things will again be different. So all the talk of guessing the system Moyes will play is futile.
Your initial point btw was about Thiago being better off at Barca or Bayern which is clearly nonsense. Both teams have fecking strong CMs which is why he wants to move. Us on the other hand are a team he'l walk into.
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