Thiago Alcantara | Signed for Bayern Munich

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OnlyTwoDaSilvas said:
What are Barca doing exactly to stall the move? I thought this was all because Thiago is on his jollies and we have no manager?
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We do have a manager, this July 1 date is essentially meaningless. Everyone knows who our manager is, it really shouldn't be an issue when it comes to transfers.

If we miss out on Thiago because we wanted to wait until July... well that would be monumentally stupid. I don't think we'll get him but missing out on him because of a formality would be really hard to take.
 
Bestie07 said:
They can't make it difficult for Real as all Real have to do is turn up at La Liga's offices with the amount of Thiago's release clause, and they can then sign him. Barcelona can do nothing about it as Real are a Spanish club. While they can't stop Thiago from leaving for us, they can make it difficult for us as we'll have to go through a lot of legal channels to finalize the deal.
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What legal channels?
 
fishfingers15 said:
If we count the posts that explained the release fecking clauses, it would run up to 100 pages I swear.
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You can't blame me for that, I only wrote 99 of those pages. :smirk:

As to are Barca making things difficult for us. They made it difficult in the sense that they changed the press coverage from, "Go somewhere safe (like United) and maybe we'll bring you back later," to trying to make him sound like a mercenary, asking for more meetings, and using the standard scare tactics about how much tax we'll pay (if we do it wrong). All delaying tactics, but if the delay has brought Madrid into the picture, annoying ones.
 
Adam-Utd said:
Carl you should check your facts before posting.

Just how did Bayern manage to release Martinez from his contract, if it only counts for spanish clubs?
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Not quite sure how I'd go about checking a "fact" like that but thanks for doing your best to come across as a condescending prick without explaining how they actually work.
 
Basically Barcelona can dick around with foreign clubs as the release clause doesn't specify about the tax we'll need to pay for the transfer, whereas Madrid will be free to offer Thiago whatever he wants and pay the release clause and Barcelona would have no say in it. It's stupid that they're trying to delay the transfer as it opens up the opportunity for Madrid to try and turn Thiago's head which is bad for them as they'll end up aiding their rivals while depleting their squad depth.
 
Adam-Utd said:
Carl you should check your facts before posting.

Just how did Bayern manage to release Martinez from his contract, if it only counts for spanish clubs?
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Adam, basically if a Spanish club wishes to trigger the release clause then all they need to do is stump up the cash and they won't have to pay anything extra, there would be literally nothing Barca can do. For anyone else, Barca can make things difficult which is where all the tax and stuff come from. I don't quite understand it fully, but it's more straightforward for a Spanish club to just pay the release clause.
 
elmo said:
Basically Barcelona can dick around with foreign clubs as the release clause doesn't specify about the tax we'll need to pay for the transfer, whereas Madrid will be free to offer Thiago whatever he wants and pay the release clause and Barcelona would have no say in it. It's stupid that they're trying to delay the transfer as it opens up the opportunity for Madrid to try and turn Thiago's head which is bad for them as they'll end up aiding their rivals while depleting their squad depth.
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Ah right. Knew there was something that made it more awkward for non-Spanish sides. Cheers.
 
Genius Me! said:
Adam, basically if a Spanish club wishes to trigger the release clause then all they need to do is stump up the cash and they won't have to pay anything extra, there would be literally nothing Barca can do. For anyone else, Barca can make things difficult which is where all the tax and stuff come from. I don't quite understand it fully, but it's more straightforward for a Spanish club to just pay the release clause.
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I'm absolutely certain that as EU members it is 100% illegal for Spanish rules to be different for Spanish and non-Spanish teams.
 
Carl said:
Ah right. Knew there was something that made it more awkward for non-Spanish sides. Cheers.
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I'm pretty sure we could do the same thing as what Bayern did, which was to loan Thiago the money to buy out his contract at the price of the release clause, but the club might be unwilling to do that as it will jeopardise relations between the clubs and any future transfers. If Thiago belonged to a smaller club, we might have just done it long without fear of repercussions.
 
Regardless of the amount of money Madrid would throw at him, I can't see him being such a dick and move there.
 
elmo said:
Starting for Madrid means he's pretty much guaranteed a spot in the Spanish squad, so he might just jump at the chance.
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Thing is he has to displace Modric Alonson or Khadira first. Which is pretty much back to square one.
 
NinjaFletch said:
I'm absolutely certain that as EU members it is 100% illegal for Spanish rules to be different for Spanish and non-Spanish teams.
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I don't know, just stating what's been said in this thread countless times.
 
Mainoldo said:
Thing is he has to displace Modric Alonson or Khadira first. Which is pretty much back to square one.
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Alonso has one year left on his contract, no? RM may be looking to offload.
 
Keep strong chaps. Remember, the writing is on the ball! At least we now know that Isco didn't write it.
 
Mainoldo said:
Thing is he has to displace Modric Alonson or Khadira first. Which is pretty much back to square one.
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It was already stated that Alonso has only a year left on his contract and at his age, Madrid wouldn't mind moving him on if they get Thiago, who'll be on lower wages too.

And Modric, Alonso and Khadira aren't exactly the same class as Iniesta, Xavi, Busquet and fabregas.
 
NinjaFletch said:
Yeah, I'm not doubting that. I think they probably are the rules.

If they are though a legal challenge would show them to be well illegal.
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You could sue, but by the time the result is known, the release clause would go back up to 90m which would render it useless. You're better off finding a new target to sign.
 
Whats going to happen if we dont sign him? Look elsewhere or just stick with what we go or looking like a possibility - sign Fellaini.
 
elmo said:
You could sue, but by the time the result is known, the release clause would go back up to 90m which would render it useless. You're better off finding a new target to sign.
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Or just give him the money to buy it out and then when Spanish tax men come asking for their money refuse to pay.
 
fishfingers15 said:
Well obviously, that nothing has changed and he was the main piece of the contract negotiations so far.
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It would be just rehashed rubbish though. If nothing has changed on the matter, then what is the point in him carrying on saying the same stuff? Now, if Thiago was seriously thinking about joining RM, then maybe Hunter may have said that this morning, but the fact he said nothing encourages me more that Thiago is still wanting United move.
 
elmo said:
Found the link to the explanation of the clause which was posted in this thread last week.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/sid_lowe/01/29/atletico.buyouts/index.html
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The article was written back in 2011 prior to the case law being established. It took Bayern weeks to do it, as they were effectively the test case, but they got there. Clubs actually usually using the release clause, as opposed to using it to set a normal transfer price are incredibly rare events.
 
Summit said:
It would be just rehashed rubbish though. If nothing has changed on the matter, then what is the point in him carrying on saying the same stuff? Now, if Thiago was seriously thinking about joining RM, then maybe Hunter may have said that this morning, but the fact he said nothing encourages me more that Thiago is still wanting United move.
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Anything to feel better eh? :D
 
Everyone is getting their knickers in a twist, i don't expect to hear anything on his transfer until sometime next week at the earliest.
 
Nate Dogg said:
Everyone is getting their knickers in a twist, i don't expect to hear anything on his transfer until sometime next week at the earliest.
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Exactly. He is on holiday and Moyes will officially be up and running next week too. If what is reported is true and he has agreed terms then it won't be announced till next week I don't believe.
 
Barcelona fans want resignations, as Thiago mulls over Manchester United move on a yacht


If you're a regular reader of Sport Witness then you'll know we've been covering the reaction from Spain to Thiago's proposed Manchester United transfer daily. At first it was all respect and pleasantries coming from the Barcelona friendly newspapers of Sport and Mundo Deportivo and then that changed into toys being thrown out of prams and a distinct bitterness at the possibility of the midfielder leaving the club. Mundo Deportivo even brought up the possibility of Thiago being landed with a huge tax bill should he decide to force his buy-out clause through. It was all a bit irritable.
However the fans are even more furious but their anger is pointed in an entirely different direction, if readers of Mundo are anything to go by. They have run a poll on their website asking if Barcelona fans think he will leave, over 8000 have replied and 60% think Thiago will be going whilst 40% hold on to the chance he'll stay at the football club.
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It's the comments which are more interesting, overall the anger isn't directed at Thiago or Manchester United, but at Barcelona themselves. There are several calls for Tito Vilanova to resign but it's the president Sandro Rosell who gets the most ire. He's accused of starting to ruin a wonderful club and squad, and bringing Barcelona down.
They are angry that the Thiago situation has ever been allowed to develop into this and think the club should have seen the situation coming during the season and sorted it out before the transfer period really got going. There's also how Eric Abidal was handled, supporters feel he was pushed out of Barcelona, which is something he's claimed himself, and that Rosell's handling of the situation was very poor.
The comment 'Rosell and Tito and Zubi destroyed Barca' is typical, there is also anger at director, Andoni Zubizarreta. Some even mention the loss of the two directors to Manchester City and call for ex-president Laporta to return to Barcelona.
Meanwhile, whilst Manchester United fans stress themselves about the deal and Barcelona fans pull their hair out over the running of their football club (Bayern Munich fans probably aren't too concerned given their midfield), Thiago himself is getting a sun tan.
The other Catalan newspaper, Sport, report that he and some friends have hired a yacht and are sailing around the med, first stop was Saint Tropez, he's now in Santorini. They say he's giving it one last thought and is torn between the idea of a Manchester United move and staying at Barcelona. The holiday is only a very short one and he's due back in Barcelona for that meeting soon, which has been widely reported, when he's set to tell Barcelona he's off, as long as he's not changed his mind whilst lazing on the yacht.
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Hunter was right about the cruise thing.
In a way Thiago is doing the sensible thing by thinking long and hard about his decision, but the worrying thing for us as United fans is that usually when you contemplate something for long enough, it just gives you the time to find reasons to talk yourself out of it, although I'm obviously hoping that isn't the case here. The situation at Barcelona is unlikely to change and there is a big Scholesy sized hole in our midfield that needs filling should he choose to do so. After seeing the fans ire though are Barcelona likely to offer him any more assurances when they meet?
 
Yeah, it is worrying that the longer it goes on for, the more time the whole situation has to stew, the fans get angry, the club may take notice of that and make a decision they wouldn't normally make, like make promises and give him more money. Hopefully he's dead set on leaving.
 
I think this saga is done, one way or another.

Thiago will have made his mind up one way or another already, whether that is to join us or not is impossible to tell at this stage.

There's no way he's mulling over it anymore.
 
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