Thiago Alcantara | Pool bound

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RedorDead21 said:
You dont think people would be running past him in the PL and our fans would be saying he's not suited to playing the DM role in the PL? Just curious
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For the right club yes. So for Liverpool with their attacking full backs Thiago would slot in very well alongside someone like a Henderson.

His interceptions and tackles are also absolutely fine for what he’s tasked to do so honestly I don’t see it being a problem.

Think about how Liverpool are set up it’s not the job of the CMs to assist they are tasked with circulating possession, pressing and progressing with the onus on TAA and Robertson to provide chances. Thiago would slot brilliantly with Fabinho + one other.

Im not sure it would be as good a fit at United more down to our fullbacks not being the creative influences.
 
Champ said:
Don't think I am,
Once again, how many clubs you think are in for him?
I ain't doubting he's a good player, I know he's a good player, but he ain't a game changer, never has been never will be.
His domestic and international record show that.
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Not a game changer except for when he takes 4 defenders out with a pass that gains ~30 yards and leads to a goal. Christ.
 
BenitoSTARR said:
You say semi pro so what team?

It’s completely irrelevant because I too have been paid in my teens and 20s to play football and started out as a small CM/DM moving further forward. I wouldn’t try to use my semi pro experience to justify my opinion on Thiago however my coaching experience at professional level (mainly U18s and youth development at various clubs) I absolutely am confident you are talking out your arse here.

Two assists is fine for Thiago. His role is to play progressive passes into wide areas or to find Muller for the set up of the next final 3rd penetrative pass. If the option isn’t on then he is to retain possession shift the defensive team to one side of the pitch to create a better passing angle for the next attempted progression.

Goretzka is not the same playing style as Thiago.

If you want me to go into more detail it should probably be done on the football forum not his transfer thread.
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Fair enough,
I'm not disclosing the team I play for, that would open me up for a lot (more) abuse than I get already whilst playing!!
But I've already had a few people in here claiming I don't play, so I'm used to it now.
Goretzka plays exactly the same role as Thiago, they both play the same position as what's now trendy to call a 'double pivot',
Thiago to me is a player similar to Carrick, someone who keeps things ticking along, and gets the opportunity to play killer balls when available.
This is his lowest amount of assists in his career for a long time, yet he played the most amount of games in a season, doesn't show he's poor, but it's a drop from the seasons before despite his team playing some amazing stuff in the last third of the season.
 
It makes too much sense and we’re absolute muppets in the transfer market so there’s no chance of this happening.
 
Probably the best midfielder in the world, of his type at least. De Bruyne the best creative midfielder/#10, Thiago the best controlling all rounder. Please keep him the feck away from Liverpool and Klopp.

Also a big feck you to Moyes for fecking us 7 years ago with our chance to sign him.
 
Champ said:
Fair enough,
I'm not disclosing the team I play for, that would open me up for a lot (more) abuse than I get already whilst playing!!
But I've already had a few people in here claiming I don't play, so I'm used to it now.
Goretzka plays exactly the same role as Thiago, they both play the same position as what's now trendy to call a 'double pivot',
Thiago to me is a player similar to Carrick, someone who keeps things ticking along, and gets the opportunity to play killer balls when available.
This is his lowest amount of assists in his career for a long time, yet he played the most amount of games in a season, doesn't show he's poor, but it's a drop from the seasons before despite his team playing some amazing stuff in the last third of the season.
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:lol: :lol: :lol:

Surely this is a wind up, no?
 
Champ said:
Don't think I am,
Once again, how many clubs you think are in for him?
I ain't doubting he's a good player, I know he's a good player, but he ain't a game changer, never has been never will be.
His domestic and international record show that.
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Games can be changed by more than just someone putting the ball in the net.

If you don’t understand how a controlling midfield performance can be as influential as a good finish then you are out of your depth trying to discuss nuanced midfield roles.
 
How does anyone come to a conclusion that Thiago is a good player, but not a top player after this game is beyond me.
 
He's brilliant, the way he receives the ball and dictates the game from deep. I think it's a lazy argument to suggest he's not that good cause he doesn't get assists or goals.

He sets the tempo every game he plays, and his passing range is incredible. I think if he was playing higher up the pitch we would definitely see those stats in terms of goals and assists, but it looks to me like he's very disciplined in his role - to control games from deep, and he's one of the best at it.
 
TheMagicFoolBus said:
Not a game changer except for when he takes 4 defenders out with a pass that gains ~30 yards and leads to a goal. Christ.
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Ah yeah, the one where Kimmich ran into space, Lewandowski played an amazing lay back and Coman made a beautiful run,
But yeah, that slide rule pass was what made it.
It started the move, but blimey it wasn't the be all and end all of that goal.
 
Nep77 said:
This guy is so good, If we can we should try and bring him here. Feck you Moyesss!!
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Exactly

He is not an assist merchant, but a pre assister
He always play the quality pass, that create space and time to the forwards, instead of just recycling the ball, playing meaningless pass, back or to the side.
He is press resistant and feel confortable in small space.
 
sglowrider said:
I bet the price just went up.
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If im bayern id keep him a year and let him go on free.

Him in the team offers you a better chance of repeating the CL, 30 mil in the bank doesnt.

Who do they buy to replace him?
 
Thiago is the best game runner in football today, closest thing to Xavi and Pirlo. Controls the game at his own pace, superb player. Really hope he doesn’t go to Liverpool and I’m not sure that’s the best move for him anyway.
 
eire-red said:
He's brilliant, the way he receives the ball and dictates the game from deep. I think it's a lazy argument to suggest he's not that good cause he doesn't get assists or goals.

He sets the tempo every game he plays, and his passing range is incredible. I think if he was playing higher up the pitch we would definitely see those stats in terms of goals and assists, but it looks to me like he's very disciplined in his role - to control games from deep, and he's one of the best at it.
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Agree
 
Joy to watch, never put a foot wrong without being flashy. I didn't expect him to become that type of player but he's done good. His decision making is great, and he has quick footballing brain.

Pogba could become that good if he decides to work on his flaws. Talent wise, I don't think there is much between him and Thiago, but the latter has improved a lot since leaving barca, especially consistency.
 
Get young talent said:
Exactly

He is not an assist merchant, but a pre assister
He always play the quality pass, that create space and time to the forwards, instead of just recycling the ball, playing meaningless pass, back or to the side.
He is press resistant and feel confortable in small space.
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He's like busquets, class player but rarely gets plaudits
 
Champ said:
Ah yeah, the one where Kimmich ran into space, Lewandowski played an amazing lay back and Coman made a beautiful run,
But yeah, that slide rule pass was what made it.
It started the move, but blimey it wasn't the be all and end all of that goal.
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Of course not but you're the one bringing up assists like they're the be all end all whilst ignoring the obvious and key contributions a player like Thiago makes.
 
I mean Carrick had games like Thiago on a regular.
 
Champ said:
Fair enough,
I'm not disclosing the team I play for, that would open me up for a lot (more) abuse than I get already whilst playing!!
But I've already had a few people in here claiming I don't play, so I'm used to it now.
Goretzka plays exactly the same role as Thiago, they both play the same position as what's now trendy to call a 'double pivot',
Thiago to me is a player similar to Carrick, someone who keeps things ticking along, and gets the opportunity to play killer balls when available.
This is his lowest amount of assists in his career for a long time, yet he played the most amount of games in a season, doesn't show he's poor, but it's a drop from the seasons before despite his team playing some amazing stuff in the last third of the season.
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You can’t be very good then if you dont have the intelligence to understand his role god you’re not one of those brutish DMs who think the odd Hollywood pass makes you a good player?

If you say you play I have no reason to not believe you but I worry for your team.

You do understand that within a double pivot you can have two different roles?

I wouldn’t say he’s like Carrick too much to be honest he’s more mobile, better dribbling and composed. And I’m a big fan of Carrick.

He hasn’t played the most amount of games 24 compare to 30 last season?

Even at Barca he had more games and. minutes wise this is his 4th highest season.

You need to learn the game better
 
Amazing performance by him. Wonder what we're doing not looking into this. Just throw some money at him.
 
I am happy his career turned out great, and would be happy to see him go against our boys if he does land in Liverpool.
feck Moyes.
 
RooneyLegend said:
2nd best CM behind who? Man put on a clinic.
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Behind Herrera who should have had two assists, kept the ball well under pressure bar one shaky moment, and was, as usual, winning the ball back for fun.

It was no surprise PSG became disjointed and Thiago had free reign as soon as he was subbed for Draxler.

I'm still surprised Herrera was the best cm in a game that had Thiago and Verratti.
 
BenitoSTARR said:
Games can be changed by more than just someone putting the ball in the net.

If you don’t understand how a controlling midfield performance can be as influential as a good finish then you are out of your depth trying to discuss nuanced midfield roles.
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Jesus wept
This is what gets me about this forum
Players like Carrick are non existent, people never mention them when it comes to great players, yet he was one, he was a class player.
Yet mention Thiago, and his poor assist ratio, in a high scoring team, and how it compares poorly to his midfield partner who's played less games, and people freak out,
All I'm trying to point out is he's a good player, not a great player.
Please play the role now this week and come back to me with words of wisdom, I'll be playing pre season Tuesday, maybe see you there?!!
 
Borys said:
He did against opposition that didn't press. Against top teams who pressed like PSG today, not even close.
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What you on about? Carrick was always good in possession regardless of the opposition.
 
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