I doubt Guardiola will use a defensive "sit deep" approach to close games. Most likely he'd sub in another midfielder who helps keep possession and increase the control of the game. So for example Kroos might come in for a striker and not Gustavo, if both were sitting on the bench. And like kouroux said, it all depends on the player. If he wants to stay, he'll of course stays, but if he wants to leave, I doubt we keep him for a back up role in which he sees way less game time than last season.
Thiago Alcantara at Bayern
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Bayern have one hell of a squad, they will still probably be in for another striker as well.
I wasn't really serious with that post...
According to Bild Bayern made him available.
He wouldn't be the worst player to try to sign.
Well, I was. Don't you know, that Internet is serious business?
Going to be a very intriguing tandem
Just as I was getting over it
Risk is it may not work, Thiago and Götze. Mind you, two talented footballers like them should...
Going to be a very intriguing tandem
cnuts!
Not sure there's a more exciting young midfield duo in the game, atm...under Pep no less
Haven't you heard, you'll win nothing with kids!!! Nothing!!!
Going to be a very intriguing tandem
Jizz.
Whether or not this is a great move for Thiago, is not metaphysically certain that there will be 2, perhaps 3, insanely talented Bayern midfielders who are going to pretty pissed off by the end of the season due to lack of playing time?
Kroos is the most likely imo. Unfortunately, they can feck around with him as much as they want and he's unlikely to seek a move. German, homegrown and a boyhood Bayern fan.
Oh - I do not think that Kroos sits on the bench very long without seeking a move. German, yes. Homegrown from the 16th birthday but spent two years on loan and would even have liked to stay in Leverkusen 2 years ago. Boyhood Werder Bremen fan, Micoud and his playing style is his idol - he comes from Greifswald in the North-East of Germany.
Not everybody from the Bayern players is Bavarian or is a boyhood Bayern fan. Lahm and Schweinsteiger are. Müller is third generation Bayern fan or more - his Grandma told the German TV that already his Grandfather could not let of watching a Bayern match on his dying day. Badstuber was already promised to Bayern or coach Hermann Gerland in his diapers - his father and the longtime U23-coach and today Co of Guardiola Hermann Gerland were best friends.
But Kroos was Werder Bremen fan, Alaba dreamed of Arsenal. Neuer of Schalke. One of the Boateng's or both were Bayern fans as kids but I do not know which one.
But even being a fan or a big fan or a fan since childhood does not tell that they will not leave if they are not playing or are playing a lot less than they want to. That the club out of own interests will let the one easier go than the other is something different.
Only Kroos?
While it's easy to see Pep rotating his mids throughout the season, as they destroy one club after another in the league, only a few of them can start in an important CL match.
Thiago, Gotze, Javi Martinez, Schweinstiger, Kroos
Some top quality and potential top quality midfielders there...
Some top quality and potential top quality midfielders there...
Right now it is a 4-1-4-1 system Pep is using. One holding midfielder - Schweinsteiger. Martinez will probably move into the defense.
Then you have Götze, Kroos, Müller, Ribery, Thiago, Robben, Shaqiri for the offensive four behind a striker or false 9. Seven for four.
Shaqiri right now still ain't the same class as the others - he probably still can live being a substitute. Six for four.
Götze will not start training until end of July - until he really is in the team it will be end of August - right in time for Robben's usual prewinterinjury. Five for four.
So that leaves Götze/Robben, Müller, Ribery, Thiago and Kroos for 4 spots. If you take Müller or Götze as real and/or false 9 there is even place for all of them...
There is a solution for everything.
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Actually the one person more with Götze even in a 4-2-3-1 usually should not have been a problem. Yes, somebody always has to sit on the bench, but it would have worked last year, too, if Heynckes would have distributed it fair with Ribery, Robben, Müller and Kroos. But at the beginning he never really had to - there was always somebody having minor injuries, colds and then Robben had his usual injury until the winter break. But actually it would not have been bad if especially Ribery and Müller would have gotten more rests in that time especially in November - as a result they were pretty spent in the last weeks before Xmas.
When Guardiola changes the system like he seems to want to - there is one place more for them. With Gomez leaving and Mandzukic and Pizarro being the only strikers - there is another additional spot for Müller or a false nine with Götze. As long as you have Müller in the offensive midfield you always have the option for a part time real striker in addition to a false nine project.
And there always will be an injury of somebody. An injury of Robben just is pretty normal. Ribery has been off bigger injuries for the last two years but sometimes he misses a match or two out of precaution - but that might just be luck as he has had more injury problems before that (but he lives more professional now and is very cautious). Kroos missed some months in 10/11 and again in 12/13. Götze for a young player has a lot injuries - maybe it helps that it is no need for him to play all matches anymore. Müller's biggest injury or sick period he had since playing for Bayern as a ten year old took him out one week - but there is never a guarantee.
Then you have Götze, Kroos, Müller, Ribery, Thiago, Robben, Shaqiri for the offensive four behind a striker or false 9. Seven for four.
Shaqiri right now still ain't the same class as the others - he probably still can live being a substitute. Six for four.
Götze will not start training until end of July - until he really is in the team it will be end of August - right in time for Robben's usual prewinterinjury. Five for four.
So that leaves Götze/Robben, Müller, Ribery, Thiago and Kroos for 4 spots. If you take Müller or Götze as real and/or false 9 there is even place for all of them...
There is a solution for everything.
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Actually the one person more with Götze even in a 4-2-3-1 usually should not have been a problem. Yes, somebody always has to sit on the bench, but it would have worked last year, too, if Heynckes would have distributed it fair with Ribery, Robben, Müller and Kroos. But at the beginning he never really had to - there was always somebody having minor injuries, colds and then Robben had his usual injury until the winter break. But actually it would not have been bad if especially Ribery and Müller would have gotten more rests in that time especially in November - as a result they were pretty spent in the last weeks before Xmas.
When Guardiola changes the system like he seems to want to - there is one place more for them. With Gomez leaving and Mandzukic and Pizarro being the only strikers - there is another additional spot for Müller or a false nine with Götze. As long as you have Müller in the offensive midfield you always have the option for a part time real striker in addition to a false nine project.
And there always will be an injury of somebody. An injury of Robben just is pretty normal. Ribery has been off bigger injuries for the last two years but sometimes he misses a match or two out of precaution - but that might just be luck as he has had more injury problems before that (but he lives more professional now and is very cautious). Kroos missed some months in 10/11 and again in 12/13. Götze for a young player has a lot injuries - maybe it helps that it is no need for him to play all matches anymore. Müller's biggest injury or sick period he had since playing for Bayern as a ten year old took him out one week - but there is never a guarantee.
There is a solution for everything.
Except Martinez not wanting to play in defence any more (something he has been very vocal about), what to do with Robben if he doesn't get an injury (and hoping for an injury to one of your players is never a good sign), since presumably he won't be happy just being dropped for good at the age of 29, benching Mandzukic for good, and what to do with Lewandowski when he turns up expecting to be the big star up front next season.
There are solutions which will probably be manageable, yes, but there are going to be some quality players getting fecked with one way or another. I think I'm right in saying you're a Bayern fan, aren't I? Wouldn't you rather just stick with the system that battered everyone else last season, perhaps with a top quality addition like Gotze to add competition, and the prospect of adding Lewa next season? All Pep is really looking to do is introduce the system he used at Barca, a system which you demolished last season even though it was being used by a set of players far better suited to it.
Right now it is a 4-1-4-1 system Pep is using. One holding midfielder - Schweinsteiger. Martinez will probably move into the defense.
Then you have Götze, Kroos, Müller, Ribery, Thiago, Robben, Shaqiri for the offensive four behind a striker or false 9. Seven for four.
Shaqiri right now still ain't the same class as the others - he probably still can live being a substitute. Six for four.
Götze will not start training until end of July - until he really is in the team it will be end of August - right in time for Robben's usual prewinterinjury. Five for four.
So that leaves Götze/Robben, Müller, Ribery, Thiago and Kroos for 4 spots. If you take Müller or Götze as real and/or false 9 there is even place for all of them...
There is a solution for everything.
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Actually the one person more with Götze even in a 4-2-3-1 usually should not have been a problem. Yes, somebody always has to sit on the bench, but it would have worked last year, too, if Heynckes would have distributed it fair with Ribery, Robben, Müller and Kroos. But at the beginning he never really had to - there was always somebody having minor injuries, colds and then Robben had his usual injury until the winter break. But actually it would not have been bad if especially Ribery and Müller would have gotten more rests in that time especially in November - as a result they were pretty spent in the last weeks before Xmas.
When Guardiola changes the system like he seems to want to - there is one place more for them. With Gomez leaving and Mandzukic and Pizarro being the only strikers - there is another additional spot for Müller or a false nine with Götze. As long as you have Müller in the offensive midfield you always have the option for a part time real striker in addition to a false nine project.
And there always will be an injury of somebody. An injury of Robben just is pretty normal. Ribery has been off bigger injuries for the last two years but sometimes he misses a match or two out of precaution - but that might just be luck as he has had more injury problems before that (but he lives more professional now and is very cautious). Kroos missed some months in 10/11 and again in 12/13. Götze for a young player has a lot injuries - maybe it helps that it is no need for him to play all matches anymore. Müller's biggest injury or sick period he had since playing for Bayern as a ten year old took him out one week - but there is never a guarantee.
Good summery of the whole situation I think but a lot of people on here I'm afraid don't want to hear that he will succeed at Bayern or not cause any upset.
Oh yeah and Luiz Gustavo seems to be the most likely victim of the current changes, there were a lot of rumors in the press the last couple of days that he Guardiola isn't really planning with him anymore.
God damn I'm envious of Bayern's midfield. It's depressing when you compare our midfield to theirs.
They will fail this season. You can't win anything with kids.
I am going to watch alot of Bayern in action this year, they have team of the decade in the making.
WGAFF. I dislike anybody who will not come here.
Isn't 4141 a fancy ways to describe a defensive 451 with little variation?
I very much doubt that it will be some kind of football evolution that the genius Guardiola has planned. IMO, we'll hear rumblings of discontent originating from Bayern camp pretty soon.
Gustavo, Kroos, Bastian, Martinez, Thiago, Gotze, Muller, Ribery, Robben, Shaqiri, Can for 4 positions seems like an overkill to me. Even if a couple leave, that is too many good players to rotate. Some are invariably going to be unhappy with the lack of game time in a world cup year.
I very much doubt that it will be some kind of football evolution that the genius Guardiola has planned. IMO, we'll hear rumblings of discontent originating from Bayern camp pretty soon.
Gustavo, Kroos, Bastian, Martinez, Thiago, Gotze, Muller, Ribery, Robben, Shaqiri, Can for 4 positions seems like an overkill to me. Even if a couple leave, that is too many good players to rotate. Some are invariably going to be unhappy with the lack of game time in a world cup year.
I think the bigger clubs have to try out their luck with a couple of them. At least 2 should be leaving for their own good IMO. Robben is one. I don't see him staying very long. Gustavo and Kroos are possibly in trouble too.
I'm very interested in seeing how gotze does there. I think he's the most talented of the young players around based on whatever bits and pieces I've seen of them.Going to be a very intriguing tandem
4-1-4-1 or 4-5-1 really doesn't matter it will practically be the same stuff he did at Barca including the false 9 which means there will essentially be 6 midfielder places who need to be filled.
I think the first one who might get fed up with all this are actually the two real strikers left in the team because they might actually not see much game time if Guardiola can find a midfielder in Bayern's squad who plays the false 9 to his satisfaction.
Non the less Gustavo is probably going to leave before the end of the transfer period atm he is DM option number three and while Martinez probably won't be happy to play defender again he will surely prefer it to sitting on the bench so he has the advantage of being able to play two positions similarly well.
True.
I doubt Martinez will be very happy to move back to defense when his desire before the move was to start in the midfield. If he stays in the midfield than Kroos and Gustavo do look like the biggest casualities.
We should try and get Kroos, if he is available. He would fit like a hand in glove with our team. The Bundesliga is the closest to the Premier league in terms of style and physicallity.
God damn I'm envious of Bayern's midfield. It's depressing when you compare our midfield to theirs.
Fortunately in football, the whole is often greater than the sum of the parts. A team can have a shitload of good players and underachieve (such as City in Europe for example). There's no guarantee that Bayern will reach the same heights as last year, especially given that they've brought in a new manager with a new style, as well as new players. Same applies to Pellegrini's City.
One of the major reasons that the false 9 worked was because of the genius of Messi. You think that either Muller or Gotze will be able to replicate that kind of phenomenol goal scoring? Why would they be interested in Lewandoski if that is Pep's plan? I can't think of answers to those questions and am eagerly awaiting how this plays out.
About Martinez, surely they can tell him that it is the defense or the bench. What I was contemplating was, if he'll be happy with that.
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