Theresa May

Surely she must resign, she's been exposed as a complete fecking fraud.

Whatever happens labour are 'back on the map' the longer she stays the stronger they will get.
 
That speech has to be the crowning jewel. Awful politician, awful person.
 
Castia said:
Surely she must resign, she's been exposed as a complete fecking fraud.

Whatever happens labour are 'back on the map' the longer she stays the stronger they will get.
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think you need some perspective:

*She has grown the total vote share from an already strong position.
*Assuming the 319 after final seat declared she'd be just 6 seats off a majority. A majority being greater than all other parties put together. If you stripped out Northern Ireland she would have a rest of UK majority and she is joining up with the highest vote from Northern Ireland so actually it's two majorities joining together to cover their regions in relative terms
*The total share of votes I heard last night was around 44 percent similar to what was considered a landslide for Thatcher and Blair in a couple of their terms.


Don't get it twisted to assume a few less seats and scrambling together all the other minor parties would have formed some kind of reasonable looking government.

Yes this is a relative failure of a gamble on May's part, but when all is said and done she'll rightfully continue on with what she is doing with a 5 year mandate and hopefully with a change in tact to reflect the better results for Labour than was otherwise expected.

And let's not forget the heavy Brexit talk could just be a strategy to get the best deal. She is still a remain voter. I'm sure she is game playing. And at worst what she is listening to the vote? May is guilty of over confidence and certainly some arrogance, but the country still sees her as the most credible leader.

Corbyn will not grow in much strength. His vote has been boosted by UKIP supporters who wanted an exit, but a less hard one. Equally I'm sure there are some Conservatives thinking the same thing. Granted as per my brexoff thread she isolated a lot of people with some of her demands, but has still grown total vote share.

It was only the big talk that makes this look like a failure. She will have learnt plenty from this and everyone is better off for this election. Even I as a predominantly Conservative, albeit centrist, am happy to see some of that arrogance tapered. I just hope it doesn't damage our European negotiations or actually I hope it does enough that there is a reasonably bad enough deal to present staying as the most credible outcome.

If this works May could still turn out to be an evil or accidental genius.
 
Hope she hangs on for the time being purely to see what happens in the Commons.
 
RedTillI'mDead said:
think you need some perspective:

*She has grown the total vote share from an already strong position.
*Assuming the 319 after final seat declared she'd be just 6 seats off a majority. A majority being greater than all other parties put together. If you stripped out Northern Ireland she would have a rest of UK majority and she is joining up with the highest vote from Northern Ireland so actually it's two majorities joining together to cover their regions in relative terms
*The total share of votes I heard last night was around 44 percent similar to what was considered a landslide for Thatcher and Blair in a couple of their terms.


Don't get it twisted to assume a few less seats and scrambling together all the other minor parties would have formed some kind of reasonable looking government.

Yes this is a relative failure of a gamble on May's part, but when all is said and done she'll rightfully continue on with what she is doing with a 5 year mandate and hopefully with a change in tact to reflect the better results for Labour than was otherwise expected.

And let's not forget the heavy Brexit talk could just be a strategy to get the best deal. She is still a remain voter. I'm sure she is game playing. And at worst what she is listening to the vote? May is guilty of over confidence and certainly some arrogance, but the country still sees her as the most credible leader.

Corbyn will not grow in much strength. His vote has been boosted by UKIP supporters who wanted an exit, but a less hard one. Equally I'm sure there are some Conservatives thinking the same thing. Granted as per my brexoff thread she isolated a lot of people with some of her demands, but has still grown total vote share.

It was only the big talk that makes this look like a failure. She will have learnt plenty from this and everyone is better off for this election. Even I as a predominantly Conservative, albeit centrist, am happy to see some of that arrogance tapered. I just hope it doesn't damage our European negotiations or actually I hope it does enough that there is a reasonably bad enough deal to present staying as the most credible outcome.

If this works May could still turn out to be an evil or accidental genius.
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Are you seriously saying that the election result hasn't been anything less than a complete and utter disaster for Theresa May?!?!?! :wenger::wenger::wenger:
She's just lost a majority in an election she didn't even need to hold FFS!!!!!
 
Excuse my ignorance but what's this "fields of wheat" thing I keep seeing?
 
Whilst I'm no great Corbyn fan, I couldn't stand the idea of her winning by a landslide and had to mentally prepare myself to face the reality if she did. She's a truly awful leader and I'm glad she hasn't been given an overwhelming vote of confidence to lead Brexit negotiations. Britain is screwed as long as she's in charge.
 
RedTillI'mDead said:
think you need some perspective:

*She has grown the total vote share from an already strong position.
*Assuming the 319 after final seat declared she'd be just 6 seats off a majority. A majority being greater than all other parties put together. If you stripped out Northern Ireland she would have a rest of UK majority and she is joining up with the highest vote from Northern Ireland so actually it's two majorities joining together to cover their regions in relative terms
*The total share of votes I heard last night was around 44 percent similar to what was considered a landslide for Thatcher and Blair in a couple of their terms.


Don't get it twisted to assume a few less seats and scrambling together all the other minor parties would have formed some kind of reasonable looking government.

Yes this is a relative failure of a gamble on May's part, but when all is said and done she'll rightfully continue on with what she is doing with a 5 year mandate and hopefully with a change in tact to reflect the better results for Labour than was otherwise expected.

And let's not forget the heavy Brexit talk could just be a strategy to get the best deal. She is still a remain voter. I'm sure she is game playing. And at worst what she is listening to the vote? May is guilty of over confidence and certainly some arrogance, but the country still sees her as the most credible leader.

Corbyn will not grow in much strength. His vote has been boosted by UKIP supporters who wanted an exit, but a less hard one. Equally I'm sure there are some Conservatives thinking the same thing. Granted as per my brexoff thread she isolated a lot of people with some of her demands, but has still grown total vote share.

It was only the big talk that makes this look like a failure. She will have learnt plenty from this and everyone is better off for this election. Even I as a predominantly Conservative, albeit centrist, am happy to see some of that arrogance tapered. I just hope it doesn't damage our European negotiations or actually I hope it does enough that there is a reasonably bad enough deal to present staying as the most credible outcome.

If this works May could still turn out to be an evil or accidental genius.
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A five year mandate? You're feeling optimistic then?

If it were at all possible, the Tories & Labour growing up and forming a grand coalition of sorts would be a good idea, especially for the duration of negotiating Brexit.

Churchill & Attlee did it, and Brexit is arguably one of the biggest political hurdles since WW2 so why not?

Compromise solution.
 
sincher said:
the sheer arrogance of the manifesto was astonishing
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Apparently my local MP was behind that. No surprise he lost his seat either. He's really taken a shit with his clothes on.

May is a horrendous prime minister and I can't see her lasting much longer. If you're going to be so dislikeable then at least appear to be strong. She's done neither off the back of that campaign.
 
I very much hope I'm wrong in my assumption.

I noticed her fingers shaking today whilst giving a speech. It very much seemed like very early onset of Parkinsons.

On a political level she should make a dignified exit. Spoilt goods.
 
Sultan said:
I very much hope I'm wrong in my assumption.

I noticed her fingers shaking today whilst giving a speech. It very much seemed like very early onset of Parkinsons.

On a political level she should make a dignified exit. Spoilt goods.
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I think it's more likely that the shaking is a combination of fatigue, stress, rage and the pure evil that runs through her veins.
 
Carolina Red said:
I'm ignorant on this. Please fill me in.
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What is the naughtiest thing you ever did?

As questions go, it’s both a softball and a curveball – and one the British prime minister was not expecting from Julie Etchingham on ITV’s Tonight programme. Theresa May was visibly taken aback.

“Oh goodness me. Um. Well, I suppose – gosh. Do you know, I’m not quite sure.”

“There must have been a moment,” pressed Etchingham.

The PM stalled, accurately observing that “nobody is – nobody is ever perfectly behaved, are they”.

Her response, when it came, began promisingly – then plummeted off a cliff.

“I have to confess, when me and my friend, sort of, used to run through the fields of wheat – the farmers weren’t too pleased about that.”
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https://www.theguardian.com/politic...failed-the-naughtiness-test-can-you-do-better
 
RedTillI'mDead said:
think you need some perspective:

*She has grown the total vote share from an already strong position.
*Assuming the 319 after final seat declared she'd be just 6 seats off a majority. A majority being greater than all other parties put together. If you stripped out Northern Ireland she would have a rest of UK majority and she is joining up with the highest vote from Northern Ireland so actually it's two majorities joining together to cover their regions in relative terms
*The total share of votes I heard last night was around 44 percent similar to what was considered a landslide for Thatcher and Blair in a couple of their terms.


Don't get it twisted to assume a few less seats and scrambling together all the other minor parties would have formed some kind of reasonable looking government.

Yes this is a relative failure of a gamble on May's part, but when all is said and done she'll rightfully continue on with what she is doing with a 5 year mandate and hopefully with a change in tact to reflect the better results for Labour than was otherwise expected.

And let's not forget the heavy Brexit talk could just be a strategy to get the best deal. She is still a remain voter. I'm sure she is game playing. And at worst what she is listening to the vote? May is guilty of over confidence and certainly some arrogance, but the country still sees her as the most credible leader.

Corbyn will not grow in much strength. His vote has been boosted by UKIP supporters who wanted an exit, but a less hard one. Equally I'm sure there are some Conservatives thinking the same thing. Granted as per my brexoff thread she isolated a lot of people with some of her demands, but has still grown total vote share.

It was only the big talk that makes this look like a failure. She will have learnt plenty from this and everyone is better off for this election. Even I as a predominantly Conservative, albeit centrist, am happy to see some of that arrogance tapered. I just hope it doesn't damage our European negotiations or actually I hope it does enough that there is a reasonably bad enough deal to present staying as the most credible outcome.

If this works May could still turn out to be an evil or accidental genius.
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Very well put.

However, I think it's pretty obvious our brexit position has been significantly weakened. The DUP will insist on 'no border hard in Ireland', and this will be absolutely non negotiable. The EU bureaucrats will have an eye on that.
A couple of minor positives is that the DUP are pro brexit, and also, Jeremy Corbyn after persistently being pressed about immigration, finally accepted that we shall have control over our borders, and that we will be leaving the single market. The only problem is that he assumes that his charm alone will win over the EU bureaucrats to give us free access to the single market. A lot of the UKIP voters appear to have been conned by it.
 
For many years, she was only mentioned because of her liking for ostentatious (and presumably expensive) shoes. How she ever ended up in charge is beyond me. She seems to have absolutely no personal charisma.
 
vidic blood & sand said:
The only problem is that he assumes that his charm alone will win over the EU bureaucrats to give us free access to the single market. A lot of the UKIP voters appear to have been conned by it.
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As opposed to the barrage of lies, insults and false insinuations about them that are supposed to win over their favor :lol:?
 
I still remember her "I'm not making this up" line as she made up some bullshit about an illegal immigrant having a cat meaning he couldn't be deported as she attached the Human Rights Act.

She's always been a lying shrew.
 
Fener1907 said:
Whilst I'm no great Corbyn fan, I couldn't stand the idea of her winning by a landslide and had to mentally prepare myself to face the reality if she did. She's a truly awful leader and I'm glad she hasn't been given an overwhelming vote of confidence to lead Brexit negotiations. Britain is screwed as long as she's in charge.
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She's finished I think. David Davis now stands as the obvious replacement who would probably be challenged by Boris.
 
RedTillI'mDead said:
think you need some perspective:

*She has grown the total vote share from an already strong position.
*Assuming the 319 after final seat declared she'd be just 6 seats off a majority. A majority being greater than all other parties put together. If you stripped out Northern Ireland she would have a rest of UK majority and she is joining up with the highest vote from Northern Ireland so actually it's two majorities joining together to cover their regions in relative terms
*The total share of votes I heard last night was around 44 percent similar to what was considered a landslide for Thatcher and Blair in a couple of their terms.


Don't get it twisted to assume a few less seats and scrambling together all the other minor parties would have formed some kind of reasonable looking government.

Yes this is a relative failure of a gamble on May's part, but when all is said and done she'll rightfully continue on with what she is doing with a 5 year mandate and hopefully with a change in tact to reflect the better results for Labour than was otherwise expected.

And let's not forget the heavy Brexit talk could just be a strategy to get the best deal. She is still a remain voter. I'm sure she is game playing. And at worst what she is listening to the vote? May is guilty of over confidence and certainly some arrogance, but the country still sees her as the most credible leader.

Corbyn will not grow in much strength. His vote has been boosted by UKIP supporters who wanted an exit, but a less hard one. Equally I'm sure there are some Conservatives thinking the same thing. Granted as per my brexoff thread she isolated a lot of people with some of her demands, but has still grown total vote share.

It was only the big talk that makes this look like a failure. She will have learnt plenty from this and everyone is better off for this election. Even I as a predominantly Conservative, albeit centrist, am happy to see some of that arrogance tapered. I just hope it doesn't damage our European negotiations or actually I hope it does enough that there is a reasonably bad enough deal to present staying as the most credible outcome.

If this works May could still turn out to be an evil or accidental genius.
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Yeah Corbyn's vote base won't grow in the next 5 years because young people who will become eligible to vote will definitely not vote for him, that's my take from this election yes.
 
vidic blood & sand said:
Very well put.

However, I think it's pretty obvious our brexit position has been significantly weakened. The DUP will insist on 'no border hard in Ireland', and this will be absolutely non negotiable. The EU bureaucrats will have an eye on that.
A couple of minor positives is that the DUP are pro brexit, and also, Jeremy Corbyn after persistently being pressed about immigration, finally accepted that we shall have control over our borders, and that we will be leaving the single market. The only problem is that he assumes that his charm alone will win over the EU bureaucrats to give us free access to the single market. A lot of the UKIP voters appear to have been conned by it.
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Are you suggesting that a hard border within Ireland would be preferable?
 
ArmchairCritic said:
Yeah Corbyn's vote base won't grow in the next 5 years because young people who will become eligible to vote will definitely not vote for him, that's my take from this election yes.
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I'll give you that. But then the young people that voted will be 5 years on. Many of these were seen as the uni crowd. Well guess what when they are at the stage of thinking about their career and paying more tax, do you think all of those will stay Labour?

Equally the strategy worked relatively well this time, except the time and effort has still resulted in a major loss, similar to one that was a total embarrassment to Gordon Brown.

So is the strategy the most efficient and effective one?

You've been royally spin doctored. Wahoo we achieved way better results. Grades went up from an F to a D, but my enemy got a B, rather than A so they are well disappointed!
 
RedTillI'mDead said:
I'll give you that. But then the young people that voted will be 5 years on. Many of these were seen as the uni crowd. Well guess what when they are at the stage of thinking about their career and paying more tax, do you think all of those will stay Labour?

Equally the strategy worked relatively well this time, except the time and effort has still resulted in a major loss, similar to one that was a total embarrassment to Gordon Brown.

So is the strategy the most efficient and effective one?

You've been royally spin doctored. Wahoo we achieved way better results. Grades went up from an F to a D, but my enemy got a B, rather than A so they are well disappointed!
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I've not been spin doctored, you have. You can't linearise the context of where we were 6 weeks ago into school grades. To make a 20 point gap a 3 point gap is huge momentum and should be treated as such. Again Gordon Brown was Prime Minister, Corbyn was supposed to kill the Labour Party, huge difference in context. May wanted a majority and a mandate and to crush the Labour Party and she failed to do it.

As someone who is fresh out of University, I and many other graduates will probably not be earning enough to be hit by higher taxes and if in 5 years I am I will be more than happy to pay more tax.
 
ArmchairCritic said:
I've not been spin doctored, you have. You can't linearise the context of where we were 6 weeks ago into school grades. To make a 20 point gap a 3 point gap is huge momentum and should be treated as such. Again Gordon Brown was Prime Minister, Corbyn was supposed to kill the Labour Party, huge difference in context. May wanted a majority and a mandate and to crush the Labour Party and she failed to do it.

As someone who is fresh out of University, I and many other graduates will probably not be earning enough to be hit by higher taxes and if in 5 years I am I will be more than happy to pay more tax.
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Depends how much weight you put on the polls. I didn't believe the gap in the first place. An election will always swing the polls substantially from a status quo of a prime minister who has barely been in place, but hasn't had a chance to show much negative or positive. Suddenly an election happens and naturally the energy changes things. People have a choice and the way they think in polls is different. I always thought it was dangerous ground on May's part.

Granted Corbyn had a good campaign and May played it too arrogant, but the end result is probably still the 5 year mandate she wanted.

To talk you through my post uni years. I went straight into the big 4 on c£28k, 3 years later staying would have meant £38k, but moving to London and industry meant £48k and higher rate taxes. About 3 years after that I was on £65k in another job. So don't underestimate what can happen in 5/6 years. Also I left uni 2005 so a solid 12 years ago and some of those salaries will have moved on a bit.

Product control was insane, something like £60k straight out of the big 4, so within 3 years of uni. And don't even get into potential for bankers. Lawyers also earn more than accountants.

So you'd be surprised plenty of professional workers will earn enough to consider carefully how much tax they want to pay and where that tax goes.

Take into account also the fact all that time I've been given private health care at every company I've been at and that is a taxable benefit so it itself raises a barrier to wanting to pay more for an NHS that I personally wouldn't need much. A couple of the jobs I've been at even had private GP's.

So yes how you feel now could dramatically change and if not for you certainly for others around you.
 
RedTillI'mDead said:
Depends how much weight you put on the polls. I didn't believe the gap in the first place. An election will always swing the polls substantially from a status quo of a prime minister who has barely been in place, but hasn't had a chance to show much negative or positive. Suddenly an election happens and naturally the energy changes things. People have a choice and the way they think in polls is different. I always thought it was dangerous ground on May's part.

Granted Corbyn had a good campaign and May played it too arrogant, but the end result is probably still the 5 year mandate she wanted.
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You didn't believe the polls but the Tories did

To think she's going to survive 5 years is fantasy
 
Mozza said:
You didn't believe the polls but the Tories did

To think she's going to survive 5 years is fantasy
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You might be right on the surviving, but what's the alternative? She steps down and then who steps up? It's a big jump to go against Corbyn with the momentum he does have and someone new is a big risk.
 
There's a pretty decent chance that Labour will be ahead in the first post-election polls, Tories will get spooked very quickly.
 


From last night but doesn't surprise me. I can't name a more wooden PM in my lifetime.
 
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