Theresa May

Where is 6. "referees had to film themselves having sex"?

Because that's what the tweet says and it isn't what happened, is it? They didn't have to film anything, they chose to film themselves (presumably only a tiny handful of them) and the home office response was to tell them that was inappropriate.

So no, Owen Smith's tweet was not right. At all.

I also can't see anything incorrect or misleading in the article. Nothing you've posted contradicts anything it says.
 
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The more I see of her (which is less than many of the posters on here given I no longer live in UK) the more she gives me the impression of someone who really has no connection at all to everyday people. At least Cameron could talk in a way that gave you the impression he was somewhat in touch, but May really is Mr Burns. She surely cannot last.
 
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MikeUpNorth said:
The top rated comment on that article about May:

"She cant win. She is dignified doing her job, getting things moving. It's a shame the locals can't show a bit of dignity. What's happened to the British?"

What is wrong with people?
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There is less deference around.
 
Criticism seems harsh to me right now.
Ok she's an appalling public speaker, very robotic, and crap in front of camera, but that doesn't mean she's a shit leader.
Ok so the Tory campaign was dreadful, and the manifesto was atrocious, but in fairness it was all about brexit.
She's probably finished anyway as prime minister, but if she delivers a decent brexit, then her opinion polls will leap way ahead of the snake oil salesman corbyn.
 
MikeUpNorth said:
The top rated comment on that article about May:

"She cant win. She is dignified doing her job, getting things moving. It's a shame the locals can't show a bit of dignity. What's happened to the British?"

What is wrong with people?
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I'm pretty tired of the right wing's ownership of "British" and "English".
 
vidic blood & sand said:
Criticism seems harsh to me right now.
Ok she's an appalling public speaker, very robotic, and crap in front of camera, but that doesn't mean she's a shit leader.
Ok so the Tory campaign was dreadful, and the manifesto was atrocious, but in fairness it was all about brexit.
She's probably finished anyway as prime minister, but if she delivers a decent brexit, then her opinion polls will leap way ahead of the snake oil salesman corbyn.
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Except she actually said nothing of the reality of Brexit, how they'd handle the negotiation, what targets they'd set, what concessions they'd make or how they'd protect British companies affected by tarrifs. She just continually repeated a nonsensical phrase.

Meanwhile delaying talks and increasing the likelyhood of not getting a deal done in 2 years. If she wanted what was best for the electorate she'd have held the election before triggering Article 50, not after.
 
vidic blood & sand said:
Criticism seems harsh to me right now.
Ok she's an appalling public speaker, very robotic, and crap in front of camera, but that doesn't mean she's a shit leader.
Ok so the Tory campaign was dreadful, and the manifesto was atrocious, but in fairness it was all about brexit.
She's probably finished anyway as prime minister, but if she delivers a decent brexit, then her opinion polls will leap way ahead of the snake oil salesman corbyn.
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Ok, so her campaign, manifesto and speaking are all shit, what makes anyone sure she can deliver a good Brexit? 'No deal is better than a bad deal' is a woeful strategy that would cripple umpteen industries.
 
WackyWengerWorld said:
Except she actually said nothing of the reality of Brexit, how they'd handle the negotiation, what targets they'd set, what concessions they'd make or how they'd protect British companies affected by tarrifs. She just continually repeated a nonsensical phrase.

Meanwhile delaying talks and increasing the likelyhood of not getting a deal done in 2 years. If she wanted what was best for the electorate she'd have held the election before triggering Article 50, not after.
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Jippy said:
Ok, so her campaign, manifesto and speaking are all shit, what makes anyone sure she can deliver a good Brexit? 'No deal is better than a bad deal' is a woeful strategy that would cripple umpteen industries.
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'No deal' is obviously not going to be the final outcome. If she went into the brexit talks saying that it is imperative that we get a good deal, and we would never walk away from a bad deal, we'd be screwed, wouldn't we?

What if you went to buy a car saying, "I'm going to buy this car today definitely". The seller wouldn't come down in price, would he?

He's shown his intention to the seller.
 
vidic blood & sand said:
'No deal' is obviously not going to be the final outcome. If she went into the brexit talks saying that it is imperative that we get a good deal, and we would never walk away from a bad deal, we'd be screwed, wouldn't we?

What if you went to buy a car saying, "I'm going to buy this car today definitely". The seller wouldn't come down in price, would he?

He's shown his intention to the seller.
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I don't think there's anything obvious about that. The EU countries are gaining and will continue to gain our lucrative financial sector alongside other industries without a deal, so it's in their interests for higher WTO tarrifs to be in place, at least for a while. They've already said 'no parallel talks' and without them a deal maybe impossible. They've also said 'Brexit can't be a success'.

The difference in your analogy is that there's countless car showrooms, there's only one EU and they hold most of the cards.
 
WackyWengerWorld said:
I don't think there's anything obvious about that. The EU countries are gaining and will continue to gain our lucrative financial sector alongside other industries without a deal, so it's in their interests for higher WTO tarrifs to be in place, at least for a while. They've already said 'no parallel talks' and without them a deal maybe impossible. They've also said 'Brexit can't be a success'.

The difference in your analogy is that there's countless car showrooms, there's only one EU and they hold most of the cards.
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The EU would take a massive hit with no deal, and we'd be in serious trouble too, which is why both sides can't afford that outcome. Unless Germany are willing to fund it, in which case all of Europe would become suspicious of their motives.
Nope, no deal is an outcome both sides will be wanting to avoid.
 
vidic blood & sand said:
'No deal' is obviously not going to be the final outcome. If she went into the brexit talks saying that it is imperative that we get a good deal, and we would never walk away from a bad deal, we'd be screwed, wouldn't we?

What if you went to buy a car saying, "I'm going to buy this car today definitely". The seller wouldn't come down in price, would he?

He's shown his intention to the seller.
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I get the not showing your hand strategy, but both her and Boris have antagonised the EU with some comments, which doesn't bode well.
Trade deals are notoriously difficult, protracted affairs to negotiate, a fact that the Brexiteers seem to happily disregard.
 
vidic blood & sand said:
The EU would take a massive hit with no deal, and we'd be in serious trouble too, which is why both sides can't afford that outcome. Unless Germany are willing to fund it, in which case all of Europe would become suspicious of their motives.
Nope, no deal is an outcome both sides will be wanting to avoid.
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How would they suffer if they take all of our large financial institutions and with them their tax revenue and their jobs? Because no broad deal (which is much harder to achieve than a basic deal) would mean any financial instution selling many of it's services in Europe will relocate. The same with other multinationals selling into Europe from Britain.

We also make up a smaller percent of their export market than vice versa. We'd still trade but it's just with WTO rules, which would be 5 to 35 percent tariffs and costs of inspections of imports. The latter would kill small businesses that export in more technical markets.

You also have the problem that any single country can veto a trade agreement so while some may agree it still might not get passed.
 
WackyWengerWorld said:
How would they suffer if they take all of our large financial institutions and with them their tax revenue and their jobs? Because no broad deal (which is much harder to achieve than a basic deal) would mean any financial instution selling many of it's services in Europe will relocate. The same with other multinationals selling into Europe from Britain.

We also make up a smaller percent of their export market than vice versa. We'd still trade but it's just with WTO rules, which would be 5 to 35 percent tariffs and costs of inspections of imports. The latter would kill small businesses that export in more technical markets.

You also have the problem that any single country can veto a trade agreement so while some may agree it still might not get passed.
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You're talking long term possibly, without recognising the short term definitely.
 
Coming out of the SFW Ladies Appreciation thread and immediately seeing Theresa May's name at the top of the list totally killed my horn.
 
Someone will say "If you love your country, go" and who will be waiting for the call - Heseltine ?
 
vidic blood & sand said:
You're talking long term possibly, without recognising the short term definitely.
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No you're wrong, short term, ie the next 2-10 years is the complete disaster period where the EU wrecks havock upon our economy. Although some of those things are already happening, ie finance companies are moving to other EU countries on mass right now. Long term who knows?
 
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