Somehow I can't see Rafa grabbing anything by the pussy.
Theresa May
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Somehow I can't see Rafa grabbing anything by the pussy.
Despite being strongly against Brexit and Trump I actually really like her (for a politician). She is doing what she has to do.
She's got a ridiculously difficult job in taking Britain outside of the EU and you want her to fall out with the USA right now? One of our main potential trade opportunities, one of the best chances to prop up our economy and avoid a whole new wave of austerity measures that we hate so much. Then there's all the security, strategic and whatever other issues that rely on our good relationship with the US.
You lot are dreaming.
She's got a ridiculously difficult job in taking Britain outside of the EU and you want her to fall out with the USA right now? One of our main potential trade opportunities, one of the best chances to prop up our economy and avoid a whole new wave of austerity measures that we hate so much. Then there's all the security, strategic and whatever other issues that rely on our good relationship with the US.
You lot are dreaming.
She's continuing Camerons great work, suck it up
Don't really give a feck about 'Popular vote', all systems are flawed, UK's is also shit
And vote for some other party
Yes cos if she doesn't really believe in leaving, like Cameroon did not, then she could have stood aside and let someone else govern
Well she didn't believe in leaving, we know that, but like most politicians, she wants power and control so hardly surprising she took the job anyway.
Just like that poisonous prick, Johnson. Scarpered the moment he had to take responsibility for a shit-storm he created but scuttled back out of the long grass for a position that suited his personal ambitions.
Trump is a very vain man. Giving him the Royal treatment is a great move for the UK in the current desperate situation, pragmatically speaking of course.
It is great for Labour to decry the Trump visit and the deal with Turkey but what exactly is their alternative economic plan in the face of Brexit, which they are backing?
Agreed. The Caf is extremely liberal, so its not suprising to hear these views on here. I suspect the majority of British people will understand the difficult position she is in and support May's position.
She was always a hard right conservative traditionalist, her being a fecking awful Prime Minister comes as absolutely no surprise.
Exactly, May taking the job and leading the UK out of EU wasn't testament to her, the opposite in fact. No leaver wanted the responsibility so she happily took it knowing she has the "wasn't my choice chief" card to play if things go to shit.
he does tend to be very confrontational and for the wrong reasons
A difficult job almost entirely of her own doing. Where is the line for you before May takes off the country's gimp mask and tells Trump to tone it down a bit?
It was clear that Leadsom was forced to step out of the leadership race. The amount of MP's who were calling for her to step out of the leadership race was ridiculous and definitely orchestrated.
She's made the job harder by deliberately taking a hard line on Brexit which wasn't needed. Brexit wasn't even a huge majority decision so where she got the mandate to take us out of it the way she is proposing I do not know where. Secondly this bullshit line on how we need to keep our brexit strategy secret to get the best possible outcome and her sheer contempt for her fellow MP's has been very misguided and gives us an insight on her so called views on Europe/immigration. Thirdly, even if we were to accept she's been dealt a bad hand with Brexit and it is been totally out of her control, this Donald Trump appeasement strategy has been the final straw. The woman is a witch, devoid of morals and devoid of the acumen to run this country.. she's made the country even more divisive than Cameron and Osborne, which takes some doing.
How dare she refuse to comment on his recent immigration order, it harks back to Chamberlain and the Nazi's. It is utterly outrageous and the only reason why there isn't that much of an outcry, as in people calling for her head is that moral standards have on the whole been dropping since the Brexit campaign.. Fox news and Daily mail have succeeded in making the abhorrent and the immoral into 'populist' politics, 'restoring things back to normality' and they're winning.
We can't be blind to this bullshit. Even the right wingers amongst us, I mean the smart ones they need to make their voices heard because being conservative is one thing, but appeasing facism is another thing altogether and that is what is clearly going on right now across the western world.
She looks very vulnerable, and in normal circumstances should be getting battered. We'll have to see what public opinion's like in the next week or so, but if she's still in positive territory then it really does look like as long as she's seen to be pro-Brexit she can do anything she likes.
If your hopes for Brexit relied on getting getting anything resembling a half decent trade deal from the US, or having strategic military support from them too, they went up in smoke the day an avowed protectionist, isolationist President won the vote.
May has a tough job, but the moans about Trump from the UK are the least of her problems.
A majority of British voters are not going to judge May by the lack of a few trite phrases to the media. And let's face it, that's all it would have amounted to. Even withdrawing Trump's state visit is but a gesture in the grand scheme of things. If people had been suggesting responses of a practical nature, that would be something else (where was the petition asking for us to take in America's 2016 total of Iraqi and Syrian refugees for example ).
A50, the Budget and the NHS, are the most important things for her this year.
That is not an accurate description of events as you well know. Johnson was outmanoeuvred by Gove and lacked the necessary support among MPs. A rather self-defeating mess as it turned out, for such acts of intrigue ultimately scuppered his own chances (Gove was the best prepared for Brexit however).
A50, the Budget and the NHS, are the most important things for her this year.
That is not an accurate description of events as you well know. Johnson was outmanoeuvred by Gove and lacked the necessary support among MPs. A rather self-defeating mess as it turned out, for such acts of intrigue ultimately scuppered his own chances (Gove was the best prepared for Brexit however).
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Sam Allardyce is a better fit.
No, I tend to agree with you. The media pushing of Trumps 'want quick trade deal with the UK' is laughable, of course he would love an instant trade deal with the UK, on his terms, which will be bullshit. I don't expect we'll get a half decent trade deal with anybody personally, but she has to bloody well try, there's a lot at stake.
I was listening to a guy on the radio yesterday criticising May for being so measured about her response to this immigration EO, cos she took half day to think about it. He doesn't want a rational leader who thinks things through and considers all the angles. He all but said he wants someone like Trump in charge.
They fecked up by rushing over there and offering a state visit (something most Presidents wait a couple of years for if they get one at all) on the day he signed a refugee ban. Any blowback is entirely of their own doing.
Can only be Allardyce. Corrupt, full of himself, fat, and hopefully impeached soon.
Nonsense that title belongs to Hollande, she is the Tim Sherwood of world leaders.
In what ways is she doing a good job?
On the contrary. The last thing the UK needs to do right now is antagonise Donald Trump. He takes things personally and holds a grudge.
The immigration fuss, which lacks substance anyway, will die down. But Britain still needs a good trade deal with the US. Hopefully for the UK, Boris Johnson keeps his foot out of his mouth. May should fit him with a muzzle.
James Slack, the political editor of the Daily Mail, is the frontrunner to become the new official spokesman to the prime minister.
So we are led to believe, May is very calculating in what she does. And whilst we might disagree with her on principle, i suspect that she took time to consider her response to even this Trump episode. What we've seen is public criticism of the policy from her ministers, and a low-key statement from the PM's office. Which, bearing in mind the temperament of the new president, isn't the worst approach perhaps.
Naturally, it isn't seen as such on here, but Brexit for one. I am hoping that we'll see more of her stamp on the coming Budget, in terms of being more interventionist economically.
Naturally, it isn't seen as such on here, but Brexit for one. I am hoping that we'll see more of her stamp on the coming Budget, in terms of being more interventionist economically.
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Yeh that would probably turn me against her.
I just think she is going about things the right way with Brexit. She took the reigns to take Britain out of the EU, so article 50 being invoked is a foregone conclusion. If there was/is any chance of a 2nd referendum then it can't be her doing. That would have to come from overwhelming pressure elsewhere to force her hand. So she isn't wasting any time showing doubt this is going ahead, she has regained some sort of stability and certainty this way, the right way to it imo.
Then there's the issue of hard vs soft brexit and everything in between... The leave campaign won on two main points, movement of people and paying into the EU budget. If we want access to the single market we would have to concede on one or both of those points. It's simply not an option, leave voters would go mental. The only real option (for now) is a clean slate hard Brexit then go from there. Find deals elsewhere, explore the options and build some leverage we can potentially use with the EU when the time comes.
She might have done 100 things I don't have a clue about since she came in, so just my opinion on what I have seen. I like rational realistic people and in a world of incompetent politicians, she seems ok.
Bielsa.
Our PMs have been appeasing Washington for as long as I can remember, so I don't know why anyone's honestly expecting integrity from someone who used the most divisive political situation in modern British history to further her own ambitions. She's just an opportunist.
By Phil Scraton, Professor Emeritus in the School of Law, Queen’s University Belfast:
Detestable woman/person
Classic. Goes from barely noticing as a piece of paper moves from one side of her desk to the other to personally 'ensuring justice for the families of Hillsborough'.
In broader terms I'm struck by how uncannily she is playing Brown to Cameron's Blair. Apparently decisive and formidable in private and capable of decent oratory when given a chance to prepare but looking awkward and wooden in interviews and at the dispatch box, especially so when compared to her predecessor.
Very much so. She's a bit of a control freak, like Brown, and additionally is also like him in that she's a pretty piss poor public speaker who doesn't have much of a personality.
I'd say the difference is that whereas Brown was generally respected as Chancellor and can be argued to be a central figure to the rise of New Labour, a crucial figure alongside Blair, May was a shite home secretary; someone who was all for stirring up anti-immigrant sentiment, but didn't actually do anything at all despite having full control over non-EU migration, and additionally someone who stayed extremely quiet on the Brexit issue, unwilling to have some balls and commit to either side, but who now sees herself as some champion of the working-class.
Her moral righteousness is pissing me off, too. She's no less slimy or manipulative than any other major politician and her attempts to appear so are tiring. A bit like Corbyn in that sense, actually.
What do you mean?! She "ensured justice for the families of Hillsborough” single-handed!
I think she got credit as Home Sec mainly for hanging in there longer than anyone since the war. When I think of her tenure I think of the snoopers' charter, speaking sternly to the police at their conference that time and those awful mobile billboards telling illegal immigrants to go home and not much else. Oh and as you say doing bugger all about non-EU immigration despite being 'tough' on border control.
The Private Eye school newsletter parody of her took a little while to capture her voice but they have her to a T now: a fussy headmistress who wants to be regarded as an easygoing, thoughtful leader but is actually deeply suspicious and authoritarian.
The big difference is that she's managed to remain relatively popular. Brown had an unwinnable situation (politically) to deal with of course, but there was also a realistic alternative.
What about stop-and-search reform? Admittedly, not very popular with the police, but i think it was at the very least well intended on May's part.
I don't agree with her on the EAW and ECHR though.
I don't agree with her on the EAW and ECHR though.
By the pastry, perhaps.
This bitch is creepy as feck. Her joke in response to Corbyn's criticism in relation to funding for mental health problems, was bizarre.
If it wasn't for Donald Trump, she'd be getting exposed for being a cold calculating at times frightening woman with no morals.
If it wasn't for Donald Trump, she'd be getting exposed for being a cold calculating at times frightening woman with no morals.
Little miss brexiter brown nose.
