It really is the best thing I've ever seen on TV. I'm just in the middle (literally, in the middle of Season 3) of a re-watch. Not my first re-watch, to put it like that.
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The only thing that made me feel the slightest bit of emotion in the whole show (and its funny because its the same with my brother) is what happens to Dukie and how his story ends.
The way he lies to MR. Prez and starts taking b was heartbreaking he was a good kid and although his story didnt need to end like that, it was truthful.
The way he lies to MR. Prez and starts taking b was heartbreaking he was a good kid and although his story didnt need to end like that, it was truthful.
Yeah that was tragic
Wallace getting killed was more tragic imo.
Yeah that was pretty fecked up, that was back in season 1 wasnt it, great scene too
Aye. There's some pretty messed up faiths going there but that's just part of what makes it so authentic.
Life is a fecked up place. Especially around those areas.
Life is a fecked up place. Especially around those areas.
Wallace was in the game, Dukie was a good kid but didnt have a chance at all him mum was a fiend and it was down hill from there. I thought Michael would look after him
I thought Randys story was more tragic than Dookies to be honest, his whole life got fecked over because he saw something he couldn't help see.
Infact pretty much all the kids stories are fairly tragic apart from ... uh ... Naymond or whatever his name was, the one with the dreadlocks!
Infact pretty much all the kids stories are fairly tragic apart from ... uh ... Naymond or whatever his name was, the one with the dreadlocks!
Naymond was a bitch and Randy snitched so meh its his own fault
michael did until the attempted hit on him. How did dookie have less of a chance than randy.
Yh but even when they went their seperate ways he could have given him some change. When dropped off bug he had loads of money.
Randy wernt innocent like Dukie. Stealing the passes to sell chocloate and he snitched.
Randy had a foster family, thats way better than you parents being fiends trust me.
Season 4's the only one I didn't like that much.
The kids were great, brilliant characters beautifully acted. I just felt they fecked up the pacing of the series - very unusually for The Wire. Too little happens in the first eight or nine eps, too much is crammed into the last ones.
For example, in episode 11 Michael is still organising a kids' caper where they chuck yellow paint at a policeman. But by this time he's meant to be well on the way to becoming a cold-blooded assassin. That shit with the paint should have happened in about episode 5.
Season 4 is also the one where Omar begins his transition from slightly unlikely heistmeister to the fully-fledged superhero of Season 5, who can jump off seven-storey buildings. I mean, when he walks back into Prop Joe's with no protection to sell him back the dope he's stolen off him... that be some bullshit yo. They'd just kill him.
The Bubbles/Sherrod story was good but massively telegraphed
Also, there's too much Bunny Colvin, I'm sure he's a good actor on stage playing Shakespeare or whatever but he's wrong for the Wire, I never believe him
Nothing can beat Season 3 in my book. The Barksdale crew are much more enjoyable to watch than Marlo's lot. Marlo never has any fun, and he never even does any gangsta shit himself. He just stands there looking po-faced, and it's only in the last episode of Season 5 we learn anything about him as a character.
The kids were great, brilliant characters beautifully acted. I just felt they fecked up the pacing of the series - very unusually for The Wire. Too little happens in the first eight or nine eps, too much is crammed into the last ones.
For example, in episode 11 Michael is still organising a kids' caper where they chuck yellow paint at a policeman. But by this time he's meant to be well on the way to becoming a cold-blooded assassin. That shit with the paint should have happened in about episode 5.
Season 4 is also the one where Omar begins his transition from slightly unlikely heistmeister to the fully-fledged superhero of Season 5, who can jump off seven-storey buildings. I mean, when he walks back into Prop Joe's with no protection to sell him back the dope he's stolen off him... that be some bullshit yo. They'd just kill him.
The Bubbles/Sherrod story was good but massively telegraphed
Also, there's too much Bunny Colvin, I'm sure he's a good actor on stage playing Shakespeare or whatever but he's wrong for the Wire, I never believe him
Nothing can beat Season 3 in my book. The Barksdale crew are much more enjoyable to watch than Marlo's lot. Marlo never has any fun, and he never even does any gangsta shit himself. He just stands there looking po-faced, and it's only in the last episode of Season 5 we learn anything about him as a character.
Jaysus Plech, that's a strange one, I think (and many more do) that season 4 is by far the best one. I don't get the whole 'nothing happens until episode 8 or 9' thing, I think it's the most consistently entertaining season of the lot, seasons 1 and 2 especially were very slow in their build up.
I think the story of the 4 kids far exceeds any of the sub plots in other seasons (the political stuff, the newspaper, the docks) and while I agree that the Stringer Bell/Avon Barksdale saga was brilliant and Marlo isn't as great a character (though he's supposed to be a cold hearted bastard with no morals or emotions) I still think that story is excellent.
I love season 4, in fact it's probably the best season of any show I've ever watched.
I think the story of the 4 kids far exceeds any of the sub plots in other seasons (the political stuff, the newspaper, the docks) and while I agree that the Stringer Bell/Avon Barksdale saga was brilliant and Marlo isn't as great a character (though he's supposed to be a cold hearted bastard with no morals or emotions) I still think that story is excellent.
I love season 4, in fact it's probably the best season of any show I've ever watched.
Each to their own. I do agree that the kids are great, I just don't feel the story is well told, with regard to pacing and tension. And though the actors playing the kids are fantastic, some of the other key characters in that story are not played well, in particular Bunny Colvin, Denis Wise and Namond's mum (though to be fair to the actress she is a cartoon character).
Marlo's cold-heartedness works well in the overall arc of 4 and 5 I agree, and there is something quite fun about Chis and Snoop as an almost comic psycho double-act. But I miss the characters of the Barksdale crew.
Then again, the amazing thing about The Wire is the whole complex world it creates, with so many characters and the way they're all mirroring each other and all trapped within their systems - rather than the complexity of individual characters as such. Compared to, say, The Sopranos, where a small number of characters are drawn in incredible depth. The exception in The Wire is Bubbles, but that's mainly because of the sheer depth of the actor's performance.
I guess I'm just a gangsta
Marlo's cold-heartedness works well in the overall arc of 4 and 5 I agree, and there is something quite fun about Chis and Snoop as an almost comic psycho double-act. But I miss the characters of the Barksdale crew.
Then again, the amazing thing about The Wire is the whole complex world it creates, with so many characters and the way they're all mirroring each other and all trapped within their systems - rather than the complexity of individual characters as such. Compared to, say, The Sopranos, where a small number of characters are drawn in incredible depth. The exception in The Wire is Bubbles, but that's mainly because of the sheer depth of the actor's performance.
I guess I'm just a gangsta
Season 5 was the biggest let down for me, had the potential to deliver something big but didn't amount to much
Yeah second thoughts it may be that 4 was better than 5. i must say i enjoyed it more the second time round.
The newspaper stuff was a bit annoying as apart from Gus they were all cnuts, and even Gus was a bit sanctimonious. And the Jimmy storyline was completely unbelievable.
I think I'd go 3 - 1 - 2 - 4 - 5. Close between 1 and 2, I love them both.
Fat man give me an itch I cain't scratch
The newspaper stuff was a bit annoying as apart from Gus they were all cnuts, and even Gus was a bit sanctimonious. And the Jimmy storyline was completely unbelievable.
I think I'd go 3 - 1 - 2 - 4 - 5. Close between 1 and 2, I love them both.
Fat man give me an itch I cain't scratch
Any good offers on a complete boxset? Someone mysteriously put all the seasons on my laptop, i was disgusted to say the least. Wouldn't mind buying the whole collection. fecking great show.
Heh, I'd go 4 - 3 - 1 - 5 - 2.
I liked 5, it did have some stupid stuff, but the problem was that they were expecting to have 13 episodes again and HBO made them cut it down to 10 episodes, so they presumably had to cut stuff and leave things out, which shows, because some plots seem a bit rushed at times.
Season 2 bored the shit out of me, there seemed to be feck all development in the Barksdale saga compared to seasons 1 and 3, and I just didn't like the story of the docks, or the characters. Frank Sobokta just came across as a wanker, as did Nick. Ziggy was mildly likeble but purely there for comedic effect/
same with me
People say there's a black-white divide regarding Season 2, with white people liking it more
I thought it was a little slow at the beginning, but really built it up well, I really felt for them by the end
I love Frank Sobotka
I thought it was a little slow at the beginning, but really built it up well, I really felt for them by the end
I love Frank Sobotka
fecking hell, I just watched season 1 of this. Best 13 episodes of Television I've seen in a long time. This after a mate told me it was just 'mindless obscenities anyway'
I have never ever seen even 1 episode of The Wire
Go me
Go me
You are missing out
Pumped for the finale of True Blood gb?
Pumped for the finale of True Blood gb?
Season 2 is probably my favorite season, horrendously underrated.
I don't rate season 4 that high, the school and kids stuff failed to interest me that much. I've probably watched too many similiar things.
I don't rate season 4 that high, the school and kids stuff failed to interest me that much. I've probably watched too many similiar things.
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That's funny I think Seasons 3 and 5 are the best, with 2 being the weakest.
I thought season 2 was very well written with a fantastic story. The Sobotkas kids, despite being a bit annoying was two brilliant characters.
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It was a changing point in the series, had the rise of Marlow and the downfall of B & B, their dual betrayals of each other was fecking incredible writing.
As for Season 5 I loved how they invloved the press, McNulty was unreal yet again, and the dynamics of the drug trade were excellent, also Omar was fecking brilliant in Season 5
As for Season 5 I loved how they invloved the press, McNulty was unreal yet again, and the dynamics of the drug trade were excellent, also Omar was fecking brilliant in Season 5
So got to finally watch and finish this bitch, at the start I didn't warm to it but now I can say that it's an outstanding TV series in so many that I'm not even gonna bother to list even it's still isn't my favorite ever.
The actors were phenomenal and the crazy thing is that there were so many of them who were really good (whether it's the police,politicians,dockers,criminals,journalists).
My favorite character is Avon B maybe to the surprise of some as he was a kingpin with a very low set of moral and the way he ratted on Stringer (and vice versa) was pure magic, maybe the best part of the series.
Secondly it's Marlo, the most ruthless and most arrogant one and he manage to walk out free with plenty money, that's the beauty of it.
Thirdly, it's a mix of Chris/Wee Bey because they managed to stay loyal and eat all the murders to get a life sentence.
Special mentions for Snoop,Stringer,Omar (even he's a fag)and Bubbs (great actor that Arroyo),Rawls,Landsman,Bodie
McNulty,Ronnie,Bunk,Lester,Kima were for me the shittiest and most boring characters of the series.
The actors were phenomenal and the crazy thing is that there were so many of them who were really good (whether it's the police,politicians,dockers,criminals,journalists).
My favorite character is Avon B maybe to the surprise of some as he was a kingpin with a very low set of moral and the way he ratted on Stringer (and vice versa) was pure magic, maybe the best part of the series.
Secondly it's Marlo, the most ruthless and most arrogant one and he manage to walk out free with plenty money, that's the beauty of it.
Thirdly, it's a mix of Chris/Wee Bey because they managed to stay loyal and eat all the murders to get a life sentence.
Special mentions for Snoop,Stringer,Omar (even he's a fag)and Bubbs (great actor that Arroyo),Rawls,Landsman,Bodie
McNulty,Ronnie,Bunk,Lester,Kima were for me the shittiest and most boring characters of the series.
Me too a true gangsta and McNulty
Seriously, I know I was gonna get laughed at with that last comment but it's honestly how I felt.Each time the cameras were focusing on them (the cops) I really wanted to skip the scenes but then again I would have missed a lot, I don't know, I think just the "gangsta" aspect of this show really appealed to me.
One thing I could not understand is how McNulty becomes all of sudden a dirty cop and Lester too (who was the best example of perfect policing).Things like that irritated me and that lousy sense of humor of Bunk, it bore me to death.
When a series is that long, it's nice to see gradual evolutions in the characters and not sudden shit (like Nulty going from being an asshole to a great guy with Beadie and then to end up as a disgrace) nor nothing at all
Avon was one of the least develloped characters indeed and that's a shame for me they killed his character far too stupidly and they brought him back for some cameo bullshit whereas something better could have been done
One thing I could not understand is how McNulty becomes all of sudden a dirty cop and Lester too (who was the best example of perfect policing).Things like that irritated me and that lousy sense of humor of Bunk, it bore me to death.
When a series is that long, it's nice to see gradual evolutions in the characters and not sudden shit (like Nulty going from being an asshole to a great guy with Beadie and then to end up as a disgrace) nor nothing at all
Avon was one of the least develloped characters indeed and that's a shame for me they killed his character far too stupidly and they brought him back for some cameo bullshit whereas something better could have been done
It did get a bit ridiculous in the later series when McNulty turned into a psychopath but when he was just an asshole some of the best scenes came from his interactions with Rawls and Daniels.
Maybe you're just drawn to the "glamour" of the criminal side of the show?
Maybe you're just drawn to the "glamour" of the criminal side of the show?
A very underrated character was Chris Partlow, he was usually just killing people etc, but he put in some good performances when he knew Omar was after him
I think the McNulty turn in the last season was probably meant to be a little less rapid but was accelerated by the cut in the number of episodes.
Naw, McNulty was an alcoholic who was barely holding on the whole series, it wasnt much of a jump for him to go bat shit crazy
jveezy go to bed you young bastard
jveezy go to bed you young bastard
It's a Saturday morning when United's not playing! I can wake up as late as I want. (I'm actually in the middle of a computer project that needs to finish soon or I'm going to chuck my laptop out the window.)
I know, its a bit of a curse living on the West Coast with it
Maybe yes, it must be my badass side taking over
Chris was great, among my favorites too.The way they were conducting these killing like it was nothing was really emphasized by the writers and co
It's how I feel though.I should also add the way they have made progress young Michael Lee from boxer to a cold killer was weird too, maybe all of this acceleration was done to the fact they reduced number of episodesI can understand the McNulty hate, he was always an asshole but the Bunk? Hell naaaw.
haha I couldn't believe it when I found out that Dominic West (McNulty) and Elbar (Stringer) were both british.I mean the guys really mastered the respective accents they used in the show and having heard West with his real accent, he really sounds like an American who poorly imitates a british