Last season, they agreed to kill a group of Saviors who were dealing with the Hilltop group. They sneaked into their compound and killed them while they were sleeping, then Carol murdered the ones who captured her and Maggie. None of the Saviors had harmed any of Rick's group at that point, it was absolutely in cold blood.
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Last season, they agreed to kill a group of Saviors who were dealing with the Hilltop group. They sneaked into their compound and killed them while they were sleeping, then Carol murdered the ones who captured her and Maggie. None of the Saviors had harmed any of Rick's group at that point, it was absolutely in cold blood.
And I thought I struggled to remember much from this show
They had run-ins with them before and knew that they weren't the negotiating type. They were right to kill them. I can't believe anyone would think that they should act morally around that group.
Carol acts alone. She murdered sick members in the prison, which is why she was banished by Rick at one point.
We have witnessed Negan bash in two people's heads, putting an iron to someone's face (he also did this to Dwight), he takes the wives of those he recruits and he has shown plenty of other signs of his ruthlessness.
And I thought I struggled to remember much from this show
Huh?
I was referring to you seemingly forgetting their run in with the previous group of saviours. Evidently you do remember but regardless of whether they were the negotiating type or not, murdering a group of people in their sleep cannot be defined as anything other than in cold blood.
Not sure if serious.
Did you want them to knock on the door and ask politely?
They had one run-in beforehand when Negan's group tried to recruit Daryl and co. into Negan's Supergroup, Daryl shot them with a rocket launcher. Carol is no different from the rest of the group other than the fact that she is more talented at killing.
As for Negan bashing heads, he killed Abraham as punishment for Rick's group murdering DOZENS of his people which seems pretty light in terms of punishment. Glen died because Daryl attacked Negan, which again is just reinforcement of his message of not fecking with his people.
He ironed Dwight's face for stealing from the group, and ironed the other bloke because he slept with Negan's wife. He doesn't marry all of his recruits wives either, only those who agree to marry him.
Some of Negan's methods may be a little extreme but all I really see is a man doing his best to keep his people safe in a very harsh world.
They could have not agreed to murder a group of strangers for material gain?
Why would I not be?
It bothers me that the leaders in this world are winnity little tossers. I want a Humungous from Mad Max to pop up.
Don't forget, he made Rick spaghetti as well!
Because they tried to take their shit. Should they have handed it over and bowed to this mysterious Negan? Who's to say that they wouldn't have been killed there and then? Daryl made the right decision.
Daryl also ran into them when Dwight and his wife tried to escape. If their own people are fleeing, that tells you something.
They murdered them to stop them exploiting them. It was not a bunch of strangers that they stumbled on. It was based of their previous experiences with them and the intel from the Hilltop community. Had they no prior knowledge and stumbled across the base, and then murdered them, that would have been in cold blood.
Your logic is terrible. What do you think Rick is trying to do? Protect his people from threats. Negan is looking to exploit people and runs a far more totalitarian regime than Rick did. The wives don't actually have a choice, he wants you to think they do. In fact, Negan is leaving his people vulnerable to mutiny from other communities by not killing them. They won't forget the examples he made initially. That will be his downfall.
The only thing I'm saying here is that they murdered those people in cold blood because you asked "Who did Rick's group kill in cold blood?".
I'm not offering any alternative solutions and I'm not arguing that they were group of saints that didn't deserve to die. Regardless of literally everything else you've said, they killed them in cold blood. Can't really believe I've had to explain this twice now.
You obviously have a different definition of "in cold blood". Did Glenn not hesitate? Did Rick not have to convince people?
Because Dexter got awful.
I agree that seasons 3, 5, 6 and 7 were sub-par - but imagine those seasons with a full 22/23 episodes! That goes for the brilliant 1, 2 and 4 too imo.
Negan's group massively outnumbered Daryl and co. when they met, if they wanted to kill them then they would have done so and just taken the stuff. They were given the option so that they could choose to be part of Negan's group, which is obviously the best possible solution.
Dwight, his wife and sister-in-law were fleeing because they stole ALL of the medicine from Negan so I wouldn't use that as evidence of how shitty the Saviors are. And considering how shitty a position that would have put the Saviors in had they not returned, it was pretty magnanimous of Negan not to Luicille their heads into mush.
Rick's group didn't know that Dwight and co. or the other lot that Daryl ran into were the same group who were dealing with Hilltop iirc so the 'intel' that they had at the time of deciding to murder an entire group of people was that the Saviors had killed one person and then made a deal of protection in exchange for goods. I can't see any way in which you can give Rick's group the moral high ground here, and yes it's absolutely in cold blood to kill complete strangers for material gain.
I've never denied that Rick is trying to protect his people, I just think that it's exactly the same what Negan is trying to, albeit with slightly more extreme methods which are likely down the harsh nature of the world they find themselves living in. Plus I don't think that Rick's methods are much different to Negan's, he usurped the position of power in Alexandria on the threat of violence and rules with an iron fist.
The wives absolutely have a choice, Negan made it perfectly clear that any of them could leave him at any time but that they would have to contribute to his society in other ways, as everyone else has to. You can't after all carry stragglers in the apocalypse.
If Negan faces a mutiny it will only be because Rick and co. will have coerced these poor people into starting one, just like he coerced Alexandria into his rule and Hilltop into parting from the Saviors. Hilltop were perfectly happy with their deal until they met Rick, the Kingdom are living a perfectly happy existence while dealing with the Saviors and even Alexandria were perfectly happy before meeting Rick. While we are almost certainly heading towards that war, lets not pretend it's because of anything other the fact that Rick is far too pigheaded to bow his head to a higher power even if it is for the betterment of all those around him.
Exactly, Negan is a top bloke. I bet that spaghetti was delicious.
He can't really kill Carl though. He wants Rick and co to work for him and get him stuff. If he kills Carl, then it is highly unlikely Rick would continue to work for him. Rick would lose his mind and try to kill Negan and any other Savior he can. Obviously this would result in him dying too but he is no use to Negan dead.
I cant believe its being argued that Ricks group didnt kill in cold blood. Madness.
Decent episode but now it's a long wait to the next one at which point I'll forget all about what happened.
I still maintain they should've made this program 5 seasons MAX and just made each episode action packed instead of dragging it on like they have.
I still maintain they should've made this program 5 seasons MAX and just made each episode action packed instead of dragging it on like they have.
I don't know @Impulse - in Negan's room, iirc, there are those photos of all of Lucille's victims with their heads bashed in....a lot of photos! I'd only imagine a right few of those, if not the majority, was down in cold blood/or simply just to instill fear into people/communities he was dominating.
But yeah, I think we've seen Rick's story and development, though it's difficult anyone in this show to claim the moral high ground (which is what you're saying), we can sympathise with Rick much more. It's probably the biggest message/theme in the show - there are very few outright "good or bad" guys who's managed to survive this long because each one of them have had to do violent things (like murder!) to survive.
Also, Negan is a bit of a sociopath who seems to enjoy killing, as he's portrayed, whereas Rick would do it purely out of necessity/survival (in his mind anyway!).
But yeah, I think we've seen Rick's story and development, though it's difficult anyone in this show to claim the moral high ground (which is what you're saying), we can sympathise with Rick much more. It's probably the biggest message/theme in the show - there are very few outright "good or bad" guys who's managed to survive this long because each one of them have had to do violent things (like murder!) to survive.
Also, Negan is a bit of a sociopath who seems to enjoy killing, as he's portrayed, whereas Rick would do it purely out of necessity/survival (in his mind anyway!).
So I'm on season 3 of this show now.
How the feck is this show so highly rated?
The acting, mostly, is poor. The writing to me seems atrocious. The zombies go from being extremely scary to being extremely timid and easy to deal with depending on if the writers want to kill off the character or keep them alive. Sometimes just a 2-3 of them can kill an entire army. Yet we are made to believe that armies all over the world couldn't out think these dumb brainless idiots?
The fear factor that I felt for the characters in the first season is all gone.
Rant over. This show is whack and I don't know why everyone liked it. I don't think I'll watch beyond this season. I'm barely paying attention as is.
How the feck is this show so highly rated?
The acting, mostly, is poor. The writing to me seems atrocious. The zombies go from being extremely scary to being extremely timid and easy to deal with depending on if the writers want to kill off the character or keep them alive. Sometimes just a 2-3 of them can kill an entire army. Yet we are made to believe that armies all over the world couldn't out think these dumb brainless idiots?
Heck I'm watching an episode where this kid and that black chick distracted a whole room of zombies with two rats in cages and just walked past. Then that town, with that crazy one eyed fecker. They had people who could insta head shot a bunch of army folk and kill them all within seconds but they can't shoot rick and his 3 buddies when they are WITHIN their own walls.
The fear factor that I felt for the characters in the first season is all gone.
The end of season 2 was such a joke with that kid seemingly always running off without his already over protective parents realising. Also, why the feck would a kid who knows that zombies are dangerous be roaming around in the woods.
Rant over. This show is whack and I don't know why everyone liked it. I don't think I'll watch beyond this season. I'm barely paying attention as is.
I'd get out while you still can to be honest, I've invested too much in it at this point to give it up but there's still time for you to save yourself!
Yup. You summed it up well in your post above. Yet, we all go back and watch it while giving out.
Good enough show though
The Walking Dead is the ArsenalFamTV of shows. Completely ridiculous yet somehow keeps people in, who watch it and laugh at its stupidness.
It really is terrible but weve invested so much time its kinda hard to just stop. Well thats how i feel, which is annoying.
For me, Fear the Walking Dead is even worse but I stopped that after s1
For me, Fear the Walking Dead is even worse but I stopped that after s1
Now that's a show!
Walking Dead but with Ty, Troopz, Robbie, DT and Claude would be way better
Let's cast it:
The priest - is played by Robbie. Wants peace for all but secretly using the group for his own gain.
Rick - DT the fearless leader of the group who acts first and talks later. Will build a wall for the team with his Wenger out banners.
Daryll - played by bludfam. Reckless and aggressive member of the group but inside, only wants what's best for them... Just doesn't possess the vocabulary to express his feelings... So had to constantly ask; "you get me?"
Morgan - played by TY. Doesn't want war, but peace. Obsessed by this notion... almost as if he's brainwashed. Would hold his girls hair back whilst she blows Wenger.
Carroll - played by Claude. A man who's seen too much and had enough. He was once a warrior but now given up on the group and wants nothing to do with this fight.
Negan - Arsene Wenger. The root cause of the pain this group are feeling yet relentless in his stubbornness, and will do whatever is necessary to ensure he survives... Carries a bat with barbed wire and calls it Giroud.
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I second this post so hard. I've wasted so much fecking time on this show.
I've stopped watching so many shows because of how shit and silly they get yet for some reason I still watch this.
Win the league? Get past the second round of the Champions League? Sign Suarez?
"I will shut that shit down. No exceptions!"
I think you nailed every Walking Dead 'fan' now.
We've all watched it for so long we can't give it up but nobody wants to actually carry on.
It's back tonight
I have forgotten how the last episode ended.
Something bad happened and the gang was regrouping, getting ready to fight back.
Mullet guy was taken by baseball bat guy.
Expect a few slow episodes as Rick tries to group together with the other communities to go against the saviours. Hoping we get to see more of Ezekiel and his tiger though.
Bloody Morgan, he couldn't just say yes could he.
How shit was that...
First half was extremely shit, it got slightly better but yet another filler episode