The vaccines | vaxxed boosted unvaxxed? New poll
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they'll be along in to time to back you up pal don't worry
Vaccine Deaths vs Corona Deaths?
How is this a battle? There have been millions of Corona Deaths and very few, if any, vaccine deaths.
It seems fairly straightforward to me.
God bless these vaccines, my parents visiting from Canada.
Outbreak of covid in a family home where they have been staying in London. Both parents double jabbed, dad with AZ tested positive on PCR and mum on pfizer still negative. Both asymptomatic but both with medical problems like asthma, diabetes, previous tuberculosis, high blood pressure
What's really weird is that they were both bombarded in family whatsapp groups with vaccine misinformation but both trusted WHO, myself for medical advice and didn't hesitate whatsoever in getting jabbed. Important to keep that perspective is that vaccine hesitancy is annoying, but it is in the fringe.
Outbreak of covid in a family home where they have been staying in London. Both parents double jabbed, dad with AZ tested positive on PCR and mum on pfizer still negative. Both asymptomatic but both with medical problems like asthma, diabetes, previous tuberculosis, high blood pressure
What's really weird is that they were both bombarded in family whatsapp groups with vaccine misinformation but both trusted WHO, myself for medical advice and didn't hesitate whatsoever in getting jabbed. Important to keep that perspective is that vaccine hesitancy is annoying, but it is in the fringe.
Great news. How long ago were they vaccinated?
A while back! They are both living in Canada but its been around 5 months from second jabs, I think Canada's only recently approved booster jab last week
That's not really a solid ground for making an argument is it?
Those answers are going to be different for every person. Besides, the spike protein in the virus is very different to the one generated by the vaccine. Spike proteins from the virus form new viral particles and quickly replicate themselves. The vaccine produced spike proteins don't do any of that and break down in the bloodstream. That alone should tell you the virus is more potent than the vaccine.
And finally, doctors and public health officials are not relying on Google for their information. They get the information directly from the source and do know whether its accurate or not.
ffs how do you survive in the world without the capacity to distinguish between fact and fictionThat's even better news. Hopefully this is a sign of things to come over the next year or two.
Novavax may actually manage to ship some vaccines this month. Indonesia and now the Philippines are the only countries to approve Novavax so far. That's not because of safety or efficacy data concerns - it worked well in its trials - that's because of manufacturing consistency issues in the US and UK factories.
It looks like SII in India can make it. In fact Novavax have now applied for UK MHRA approval using the Indian factory output. As they've also applied to EMA today, maybe the UK/European plant are now ready as well. But meanwhile:
It looks like SII in India can make it. In fact Novavax have now applied for UK MHRA approval using the Indian factory output. As they've also applied to EMA today, maybe the UK/European plant are now ready as well. But meanwhile:
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Gathering together lots of data, and summarising it one chart, an overview of why the boosters matter:
Basic message, if you aren't vaccinated, get vaccinated. If you were vaccinated more than 6 months ago, and you're in an eligible risk group get a booster. But, of course, that's just about cases and most of us are more interested in serious illness, hospitalisations and deaths.
A reminder of what covid is doing through the age groups.
In terms of raw numbers, the majority of deaths are in the oldest, but we're still seeing an unnecessary large number of deaths in the 30/40 something's, where a lot of people remain unvaxxed. The changes over the past year (comparing the yellow and the blue lines) are almost entirely related to vaccine uptake and the groups about to get boosters are likely to start falling further soon.
Basic message, if you aren't vaccinated, get vaccinated. If you were vaccinated more than 6 months ago, and you're in an eligible risk group get a booster. But, of course, that's just about cases and most of us are more interested in serious illness, hospitalisations and deaths.
A reminder of what covid is doing through the age groups.
In terms of raw numbers, the majority of deaths are in the oldest, but we're still seeing an unnecessary large number of deaths in the 30/40 something's, where a lot of people remain unvaxxed. The changes over the past year (comparing the yellow and the blue lines) are almost entirely related to vaccine uptake and the groups about to get boosters are likely to start falling further soon.
Recieved the booster on Saturday then spent Monday in hospital with chest pains.
Not sure if it was a reaction or side effect but everything checked out and I wouldn't let it put anyone off.
Not sure if it was a reaction or side effect but everything checked out and I wouldn't let it put anyone off.
How are corona deaths, which there are millions of on top of million that will have been prevented by the vaccines, comparable to a basically non-existent amount of vaccine deaths? Aside from potentially blood clots which can be attributed to certain COVID vaccines I am not aware of any death causes driven by the vaccines, aside from the made up conspiracy nonsense where those nutters are literally under every FB post pretending every single death in 2021 is 100% caused by a vaccine.
Your post is a perfect example of how social media can drive people to have blatantly incorrect views on subjects they have no association with, cannot analyze properly and just rely on what is provided to them in sensationalist conspiracy blabber. Take away the platform to spread that nonsense and we would have additional 10-15% of population taking the vaccines, and preventing thousands of unnecessary deaths.
First numbers on what boosters are doing to reduce cases from Public Health in England and how they're correcting the vaccine waning problem. More gains to come as more people get boosted
And from the ONS who run random (cross section of the population) testing to look at infections across the country. They then work out which factors improve your odds.
Looks like the booster effect on infection is huge for anyone vaccinated months ago.
And from the ONS who run random (cross section of the population) testing to look at infections across the country. They then work out which factors improve your odds.
Looks like the booster effect on infection is huge for anyone vaccinated months ago.
Typical by the germans
I've been offered a booster Pfizer through work, but on the registration page it says that it hasn't been approved by the medical authorities for non-at-risk people, so we are to take this booster at our own risk.
Are there genuine concerns there? Should I wait a few weeks/months to get the booster?
Are there genuine concerns there? Should I wait a few weeks/months to get the booster?
boosters seem to have the same side effects and risk factors as the 2nd dose. Nothing special as far as I know. I'm getting mine this wednesday (am 31 years old and am a rather healthy individual) and my doctor said that the possible corona longterm issues are much more severe than the possible vaccine side effects. He's a very reliable and competent person and I trust him to be absolutely up to date about the current vaccine studies.
Six months for me for Pfizer was around middle of this month, I got the SMS and email notification, I will probably get booster around seventh month, middle next month or something. I saw in USA they wait for eight months for Pfizer and Moderna boosters.
there's no risk, it's only been approved for those at risk to manage the rollout I'd say. We'll all be offered it again eventually.
Thought as much, thanks!
Got my booster today, I am pretty excited to have it done for at least 6 months
Sounds good.
More early signs of the boosters in action from the UK. From waning efficacy in October that allowed cases to start growing faster amongst the over 60s than in other age groups, to booster immunity starting to kick in during November.
Booster doses are still rolling out fast - more than 2m per week in England getting third jabs, 2.5m/week across the UK.
Is there any extra capacity for giving out boosters to exceptionally good looking randoms off the street?
I'm under 40 and not at risk. So I haven't been included in any of the rollout groups. But I'd quite like to get a booster and get it out of the way before Christmas.
If I were to rock up to a clinic at the end of a day, are there any free shots being given out? I don't want to take one from somebody who needs it. But if there are jabs not being used, there can't be any harm in asking for one.
I'm under 40 and not at risk. So I haven't been included in any of the rollout groups. But I'd quite like to get a booster and get it out of the way before Christmas.
If I were to rock up to a clinic at the end of a day, are there any free shots being given out? I don't want to take one from somebody who needs it. But if there are jabs not being used, there can't be any harm in asking for one.
I had my booster on Tuesday and they were checking group status or employment status if you're a healthcare worker. You'll need to provide proof that your GP has asked you to come forward for a booster.
France has approved boosters for everyone over 18 once they reach the 5 month mark after their second dose. So next month for me then!
So just received a text saying that my booster apt is Sunday. Pfizer.
Both my vax were moderna, any issues there?
Both my vax were moderna, any issues there?
No. Moderna/Pfizer are more or less identical so no issues at all really. AZ to Pfizer or Moderna and some other vaccine combinations have also been tested and work fine.
A nice update on efficacy waning from Public Health England. The booster rollout in the over 70s isn't yet complete but we're already seeing not just a recovery in the effectiveness of the vaccines, in those age groups they now look better than they did in August.
Im sorry that English isn't my first language. Is there a question here in this post tries to equate covid deaths vs deaths caused by receiving a vaccine? I am sorry but that's mind boggling that it is being asked as a question and even more ridiculous that the poster implies that the figures are unknown
I have read and watched myriad opinions about the Virus and the Vaccine(s). As a person over 60 and having respiratory issues, it occurred to me that not having the vaccine would be verging on suicide. Just like the ‘Insulate Britain’ and ’ Extinction rebellion’ wallies, the ‘anti- vax’ people seem to be anti anything at any particular time. Something to make them feel they know more than the Scientific community. Another story in the press yesterday about a young woman dying who was not vaccinated. Still, everybody has the right to do or not to do stuff to their bodies. But if you don’t take the vaccine and get ill, keep away from me and others like me and good luck.
Perfect, thank you
Troubled Yoda is.
Dawn had her booster at 11am yesterday. I've had to bail to the spare room now she's chattering away in the bed.
This has her slammed.
This has her slammed.
Pfizer to Moderna?
I had Pfizer first time around. Barely any side effects for either dose. Sore arm for a couple of days, slightly under par for a few hours.
Had a Moderna booster (along with flu shot at the same time) and it floored me for a day - shivering, shaking, electric blanket cranked up, then a few minutes later boiling up and dripping sweat. Had a near constant splitting headache too. My arm was rock hard at the injection site and the heat from it radiated so much that my girlfriend could feel it lying beside me.
Felt like shit tbh... but it only lasted 24 hours.It was a cool feeling the next day when, over like a 5 minute period, I went from feeling awful to completely fine. Headache lifted, shivering stopped. Just everything all at once like my body turned a switch.
Pfizer to Moderna?
I had Pfizer first time around. Barely any side effects for either dose. Sore arm for a couple of days, slightly under par for a few hours.
Had a Moderna booster (along with flu shot at the same time) and it floored me for a day - shivering, shaking, electric blanket cranked up, then a few minutes later boiling up and dripping sweat. Had a near constant splitting headache too. My arm was rock hard at the injection site and the heat from it radiated so much that my girlfriend could feel it lying beside me.
It was a cool feeling the next day when, over like a 5 minute period, I went from feeling awful to completely fine. Headache lifted, shivering stopped. Just everything all at once like my body turned a switch.
She got the Pfizer booster and had the Astra Zeneca main ones.
Everything you described there is what she's experiencing.
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Yep, we had ours on Sunday, still feeling it. Wife is nauseous and I’ve got sweats. Didn’t sleep well and I think I may have been hallucinating last night in bed!
She is just up now - like feckin lazarus - the haze has lifted
Yesterday I had my sixth covid jab in 13 months. Kind of.
Back in November 2020, I had my first Novavax clinical trial vaccine, followed by a second Novavax three weeks later.
In April 2021, I had another pair of jabs - in what's called a crossover trial. Basically that means I got two placebo jabs. Whereas the group that got placebos in November, got two actual Novavax jabs in April. This allowed them to get more safety data, and it gave them two groups to monitor for efficacy waning and performance against variants.
Sadly, due to manufacturing problems on the scale-up (basically inconsistent yields/concentrations between batches) Novavax still aren't approved by the MHRA, EMA, CDC etc. Novavax should have been producing hundreds of millions of doses/month by now with a lot of them scheduled to go to COVAX - so far they've shipped 20m.
So, bad news for the world. But bad news for me as well. No, I didn't have an adverse reaction to the vaccine and I didn't catch covid, so not that bad. Unfortunately during that happy lowering of travel restrictions in Europe, I still couldn't travel! I was ok to go to Spain as they accepted PCR tests or vac status but not to the places I actually wanted/needed to visit - Ireland and Germany - where I would have needed not just the test, but to quarantine on arrival.
So in October I had my fifth jab, this time a Pfizer - which could be classified as a booster (if Novavax got approved) or a dose 1. Yesterday I had dose 2 of Pfizer. In a couple of weeks time I may be officially vaccinated.
Only thing is... Will my two Pfizer's on the NHS app (one of them labelled as "booster" - the other as dose 2) plus one Novavax (the other Novavax vanished from the app as soon as I had this second Pfizer) actually work when it comes to border controls? I'm sure it should, if anyone takes the time to consider it, but what if the, "computer says no." Will Novavax eventually getting approval make the situation better/worse? Who knows.
TLDR - when you go on a clinical trial for something that matters to the world - you also have to trial disparate computer app updates, border controls, manufacturing protocols, multiple boosters and your patience.
@lynchie how are you doing? Are they recommending boosters, alternate vaccines for you now?
Back in November 2020, I had my first Novavax clinical trial vaccine, followed by a second Novavax three weeks later.
In April 2021, I had another pair of jabs - in what's called a crossover trial. Basically that means I got two placebo jabs. Whereas the group that got placebos in November, got two actual Novavax jabs in April. This allowed them to get more safety data, and it gave them two groups to monitor for efficacy waning and performance against variants.
Sadly, due to manufacturing problems on the scale-up (basically inconsistent yields/concentrations between batches) Novavax still aren't approved by the MHRA, EMA, CDC etc. Novavax should have been producing hundreds of millions of doses/month by now with a lot of them scheduled to go to COVAX - so far they've shipped 20m.
So, bad news for the world. But bad news for me as well. No, I didn't have an adverse reaction to the vaccine and I didn't catch covid, so not that bad. Unfortunately during that happy lowering of travel restrictions in Europe, I still couldn't travel! I was ok to go to Spain as they accepted PCR tests or vac status but not to the places I actually wanted/needed to visit - Ireland and Germany - where I would have needed not just the test, but to quarantine on arrival.
So in October I had my fifth jab, this time a Pfizer - which could be classified as a booster (if Novavax got approved) or a dose 1. Yesterday I had dose 2 of Pfizer. In a couple of weeks time I may be officially vaccinated.
Only thing is... Will my two Pfizer's on the NHS app (one of them labelled as "booster" - the other as dose 2) plus one Novavax (the other Novavax vanished from the app as soon as I had this second Pfizer) actually work when it comes to border controls? I'm sure it should, if anyone takes the time to consider it, but what if the, "computer says no." Will Novavax eventually getting approval make the situation better/worse? Who knows.
TLDR - when you go on a clinical trial for something that matters to the world - you also have to trial disparate computer app updates, border controls, manufacturing protocols, multiple boosters and your patience.
@lynchie how are you doing? Are they recommending boosters, alternate vaccines for you now?
I'm getting a Pfizer booster - still don't know which arm I was in, but it counts as a booster either way. I did have the opportunity to unblind and get a ful course of Pfizer or Moderna, but decided against it when the trial results came out. I feel pretty confident in the vaccine, and will presumably be superhuman once I'm boosted.
Still hoping there'll be some news on MHRA/EMA approval by the end of this year, even if there's no intention for it to actually be used in the UK.
Do we have any idea when the NHS website will allow the under 40's to book their booster? After that press conference the other day, I thought it would have happened for the 30-39 age group, by now.