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The vaccines | vaxxed boosted unvaxxed? New poll
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They were giving second Pfizer jabs 3 weeks after the first one in Italy earlier this year. By the time I had mine they'd extended it to 5 weeks, but I think that was partly because of supply.
Basically, there've been different opinions!
Thought as much, just not in the news every hour of every day like it is now
They're all feckless criminal toffs, my friend, no matter the country. Good luck with your second jab. The main reason i chose Pfizer was to get it over with as soon as possible. Sadly, i don't think we're going to avoid new lockdowns during the winter.
@jojojo where did you find the vaccine stats among young folks for NI vs the other nations? Keen to look into it a bit more. They’re doing pop up centres around the place in part for underserved populations, reticent populations and just resource allocation, but there seems to be surprisingly few people here given there’s so few barriers. I just had to confirm I’d gone beyond the minimum threshold / dosing interval and they were all good to move it forward. Wondering if NI really is close to topping out among the young folks…
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How does the Moderna stack up compared to the others? That's what's being given round my area at the moment.
https://covid-19.hscni.net/ni-covid-19-vaccinations-dashboard/
Currently looking like first dose 53% in the 18-29 which sounds ok. But they opened to the 18+ on the 29th May so they're on a different track to the other nations. Whether that's a matter of local rollout campaigns struggling a bit or a more general hesitancy issue I don't know - but I'd be interested if anyone does.
The divergence has only become noticeable in the past month or so - which is as they headed into the younger groups, but with cases rising maybe it will re-energise things.
Virtually identical to Pfizer, possibly even better when it comes to the Delta variant. None of them work quite as well as they did against the original Alpha variant, but the reduction isn't much.
https://investors.modernatx.com/new...nical-update-neutralizing-activity-its-covid/
That'll do. Any news on negative effects of Moderna, obviously AZ had the clots?
Both Pfizer and Moderna have seen a very small number of cases of heart inflammation (common in actual Covid cases) in young males but it usually goes away on its own.
Very similar data to Pfizer. The trials suggest more people get side-effects (the "feeling a bit tired/rough" day or so) than with Pfizer but that's so variable between people anyway that it's not really worth viewing them as different.
That's a good point.
Did you F5 for twelve frantic hours while chewing the fingernails off your non-F5 hand until a slot opened up?
Seriously, thank you for the info though.
Did you initially have that system-mandated eight-week plus gap and then manage your booking a-la Solius, or did you get that twenty-six day interval right off the bat?
More delta real life effectiveness data. This time from Ontario.
Just got my second Pfizer shot, 4 weeks exactly after the first one.
Waiting now to be released.
Waiting now to be released.
I'll keep an eye on that then. Never been confident in my heart. Fall right into the demographic.
Important to remember we are talking 1,000 cases out of almost 177 million doses given in the US alone.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/myocarditis.html
Any breakdown on the health of these individuals?
If I do get it, I'll definitely take my chances on the lottery then too.
Nope I just checked and it showed I had loads of early august dates to choose from so I cancelled and just rebooked for earlier. All of my mates have done the same as well. Saved them 3/4 weeks each.
How did you manage that? Did you just rebook and it let you or did the NHS contact you to rebook? I thought the gap between doses was only reduced to 8 weeks?
Need to be a bit cautious on that because AZ for example was initially used with over 55s only and then with the over 40s in Ontario, which makes it difficult to apply results across the board.
The workhorse in Ontario has been Pfizer hence why Moderna has got bigger error bars around its numbers. Also, as in England, maybe Moderna and Pfizer have ended up with different usage patterns as well.
Broadly though, I agree with you: vaccines work
Cool, cheers! Didn’t know they had the age breakdown readily available in places like that. I’ll have a root around and see if there’s any answers. Unfortunately NI is too small for the national meda to pay much attention to anything beyond the fragile politics, while the local media don’t have the kind of resources to run these more investigative or analytical stories, so if there’s anything it’ll be anecdotal or citizen journalism! But with the pop up vaccination centres it is becoming more of a talking point so maybe the medical experts have provided some rationale at this point. Definitely would’ve expected higher take-up given how early it was opened up to everyone.
I don’t trust it. Gonna leave it I reckon.
Need to be a bit cautious on that because AZ for example was initially used with over 55s only and then with the over 40s in Ontario, which makes it difficult to apply results across the board.
The workhorse in Ontario has been Pfizer hence why Moderna has got bigger error bars around its numbers. Also, as in England, maybe Moderna and Pfizer have ended up with different usage patterns as well.
Broadly though, I agree with you: vaccines work
As a terrible layman, I read so much worrying stuff in here specially about curve balls heading our way. Then every so often someone posts those vaccine figures and knocks those curvy concerns for home runs.
There’s a shock.
Fwiw; here in the US, I had my 1st Pfizer and the 2nd one exactly 3 weeks later.
Good to see AZ holding up well against delta too given the press it has been getting
Any of our American friends got any freebies or won anything for taking the vaccine? Watched this clip the other day where a UK based senior nurse (very good channel btw) reads out a list of incentives some states are giving for people to get vaccinated. It's so unbelievable you've got to laugh.
What don't you trust?
The speed of the rollout & the reports of heart issues following taking it.
Really? That makes no sense.
The speed of vaccine development has in no way compromised safety. We have covered this numerous times and if you continue to ignore this then that is a deliberate act of ignorance on your part.
As for heart inflammation in the US. That is hugely overblown by the usual anti-vax brigade. It's not a huge concern because a) there are very few cases (1000 or less with over 330 million shots given), b) more than 80% were incredibly mild and fully recovered already and the other 20% will mostly be fine as serious inflammation is incredibly rare, c) some cases occur naturally so even those few reported won't all have been caused by the vaccine, and finally and most importantly, d) covid itself is far far more harmful, including lots of incidents of heart inflammation.
I got invited to have my 2nd vaccine on Saturday 17th. For my first vaccine the place was absolutely rammed on the Saturday I went so I tried to reschedule this one for another day in the week. The only other day it's allowing me to book is Saturday 24th. Not sure what the feck is going on considering this place is open every day.
Probably, but you can see why I'm concerned. I got heart disease in my family. Some BBC presenter died after taking the Oxford vaccine. I'll probably take it eventually, just gonna wait.
It's obviously up to you, but it seems unlikely instances of side effects will radically decline in the coming iterations of the vaccine drugs, given the existing approved drugs all meet the regulatory requirements.
Heart disease is the biggest annual cause of death in the UK and has been for years, so virtually everyone has a history of it in their families to varying degrees.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...uk/2001to2018#uk-leading-causes-of-death-data
And 30 million other people didn't.
Then I'd be a thousand times more concerned about contracting covid than the vaccine...