The vaccines | vaxxed boosted unvaxxed? New poll
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I'll never understand how a country with so many brilliant minds can produce so many idiots at the same time. That's 100 million people who don't want a vaccine.
Got my date for Moderna in two weeks but will have to drive 100km to get it. Hopefully the early side effects don't make it difficult to drive.
Getting Pfizer/Biontech tomorrow. Quite exciting news for me!!
Congrats guys! Super jealous but honestly just happy people are being vaccinated. The more that get vaccinated, the quicker this ends for all of us.
That’s weird. How come you can’t stay local? Is everyone expected to drive that far from home?
I can but I'd only be able to get a date for September/October when they reopen registration for my age group then. All dates for May and June were gone within 5 minutes. All of my friends will have to drive, some of them even 300-400km to be fair.
I think you should be ok, I got a dodgy stomach fairly quickly but nothing that would stop driving and honestly was probably nerves to a certain extent
Just got signed up for the Valneva trial - will be getting first dose of either AZ or Valneva next Friday! It's a sort of head-to-head trial, they're aiming to show that the Valneva produces similar or higher levels of antibodies compared to AZ, so shouldn't take as long to report I guess?
Second jab booked in for the morning here in UK. Pfizer. Go the first on the 18th of Feb 10 weeks ago.
That’s so weird. Does that mean someone in the region you/your friends is driving to will miss out because you were willing to travel? Is there no central hub for all these bookings?
There's a central website where you are booking. Nobody will miss out on vaccines there, it's usually smaller towns/villages where nobody wants to get vaccinated anyway. They've distributed vaccines based on population I think and in those places you will likely have between 0 and 20% people even wanting a vaccine so they will have put themselves on the list by now as well. For instance in my family hometown I could get a date for tomorrow because they've not even had 5% eligible people register. It's only big cities that have loads of people wanting to get a vax.
Ah. Ok. Makes sense then. Better than leaving vaccines unused in the fridge.
I think the experts knew this since last January. That the virus is here to stay forever.
Now it is all managing it. Hopefully, with continuous (adjusted) vaccinations and with people having caught it, the spread will be slower and the virus will become less lethal. Ideally, it would be a new flu/cold-like disease.
They did. Some were saying it here in the UK from the outset, predicting that it will end up like your ideal scenario.
Which makes it kind of ironic that failure to adequately control the spread in the UK might go down in history as the main driver behind our failure to eradicate this virus.
The vaccines have turned out to be way more effective than we dared hope. If it wasn’t for the Uk variant then eradicating the virus as a result of herd immunity by vaccination would be fairly straightforward.
Was it ever really possible to eradicate it as soon as it travelled to a couple of other countries though? I always assumed this would be a case of getting it under control and keeping it low level rather than eradicate it completely as we would have to stop every infection in every corner of the world.
As far as I am aware the only virus we've ever eradicated after it had spread is smallpox?
The original version of covid wasn’t actually very contagious. So if you have a decent vaccine you only needed to vaccinate 50 to 60% of the world to give us a good chance of wiping it out. Which has never been an option with extremely contagious illnesses like measles, despite excellent vaccines. That ship has sailed for covid with these much more infectious variants, unfortunately.
Disagree. South African, Brazilian, Indian (and other variants which will come soon) would have made it impossible to eradicate the virus.
I do not think that the long-term goal was ever to eradicate it (heck, this fecker can go in different animals, so even if you vaccinate every person alive, it might still survive), it was always managing it. And dare to say, we haven't done that badly compared to how connected is the world nowadays and how easily this virus can get spread.
It is pretty amazing how a little over a year after this disease hit, there are massive vaccination campaigns in place. I'm cautiously confident that we will manage the pandemic over the next 3 or 4 years as long as a catastrophic mutation doesn't appear.
Understood, but I don't think in reality it would have been easy even without the current variants. In my company we have people who work in the Philippines and with the current vaccination rate they are scheduled to get their doses in 2024. I'm not convinced herd immunity would ever work - has a virus ever been eradicated due to that in history? I think the problem would be you only need one person, or one animal to have it in the whole population and it can start spreading again.
We would have always had an uncontrolled outbreak in less developed countries if it hadn't happened in the UK unless we could get the whole world vaccinated in around a year and that's not going to happen unfortunately.
It’s all ifs, buts and maybes with these variants. The Kent variant seems to have been behind a huge acceleration all over the world. Which in turn spat out a bunch of other variants. It will be interesting to look back on the family tree of this thing in a few years time. It does feel like the first step to it really getting out of control happened in the UK but people much better qualified than me will write this all up at some point. It’s crazy how the version of the virus that first shut the whole world down seems so benign compared to the version we’re dealing with now.
South African and Brazilian variants happened long before UK variant was dominant anywhere outside of UK. And even the Indian one seems like bit of a strech.
How long are we protected after second dose?
On eradicating the virus completely, polio is an interesting example and could be seen as a suggestion we could get on top of covid as herd immunity for polio is between 80 to 85% but also shows how difficult it will be to eradicate it completely.
The WHO program to eradicate it started in the late 80's and originally set a date of the year 2000 to complete. It's now eradicated in most countries, but one strain keeps on coming back and it's considered endemic in two countries now. Other countries still get sporadic outbreaks with the most interesting being Nigeria which had cases for a strain 5 years after they thought it was eradicated.
Even 25 to 30 years afterwards there are around 1,000 cases a year after a huge program and a lot of money spent.
The WHO program to eradicate it started in the late 80's and originally set a date of the year 2000 to complete. It's now eradicated in most countries, but one strain keeps on coming back and it's considered endemic in two countries now. Other countries still get sporadic outbreaks with the most interesting being Nigeria which had cases for a strain 5 years after they thought it was eradicated.
Even 25 to 30 years afterwards there are around 1,000 cases a year after a huge program and a lot of money spent.
Had my first shot of the Pfizer vaccine today. Was more nervous going for it than I expected - think a few tin foil hat theorists had gotten in my head.
Hopefully I don’t get any side effects in next few days.
Hopefully I don’t get any side effects in next few days.
I'm getting my second jab of Pfizer on the 14th
Got my first jab on Thursday.
The first people got their second doses in autumn last year and last they checked, everything suggested they’re still protected. That’s as long as we can say.
Vaccination centres are closing here in Italy in various parts of the country (including ours), as they've run out of supplies.
Great stuff sir
Changed my date to Pfizer for... today. Will only have to drive 180km to get it but it's a highway so no issues there.
Second jab done, 1 hour and a half in I'm suddenly feeling very well, as in the very well you get feeling before getting ill. My air waves are ultra clear and my sciatica has completely cleared up. I think I'm going to get battered from the side effects something tells me this time.
Always look on the bright side eh
I think a lot of this is regional councils messing about. Marche for example currently has 60,000 doses unused - but they say they're running out? Lombardy is running at around 100k per day and doesn't show any signs of slowing down.
Just booked mine. Next Friday and second one at the start of August. Got to jump on a train to Colchester which isn't too far away as they're not doing first jabs in this town at the mo.
We'll see. So far so good. Mrs just got her second booked for tomorrow.Always look on the bright side eh
How are they going to manage these regional variations? Any plans for internal travel restrictions?
In the UK, when are under 30s going to be offered the vaccine and which brand will be offered? Is any of this known yet?