Music The Ultimate Metal thread.
- Thread starter Kaos
- Start date
-
In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) review both the Everton and Bodø/Glimt victories at Old Trafford. Listen to the guys discuss 2 wins and 7 goals in the last week, analyse of the Amorim formation, focus on Amad and how he is playing, and also take a look at Hojlund, Rashford & Zirkzee – who starts v Arsenal?
she's no Anneke, but come on, such an easy listening.
Last edited:
That and 4th crusade are full of so many great riffs
Agreed. Their two best albums IMO. Perhaps one of the very few bands where their last/most recent album is arguably their best.
I'm sure I remember reading they wrote a whole album before Those Once Loyal, decided it didn't match up to their standards, so totally binned it. That's a pretty baller move.
Makes sense, they’re such a consistent band to the point they don’t have any bad albums. They must take quality control pretty seriously. I’m surprised there aren’t more bands around that sound like them.
This is the symphonic metal thread now, deal with it
Talking of which, I’m listening to “And Then There was Silence” by Blind Guardian right now.
always had soft spot for them and Chino is one of the few that can actually sing in these waters.
shame there aren't more bands like this. bunch of post metal bands sounds great until you hear the vocals - which is almost always some boring growl like it's the case with The Ocean and even Cult of Luna. I know I shouldn't expect everyone to sing like Chino or Patton, but come on...
more like a Nightwish thread tbf, but I don't mind them.
btw, try The Human Equation and 01011001 by Ayreon in future.
the guy leading them rarely sings, but he's in charge of assembling the crew, so the main stars of the albums are usually guests, with some of them being those you would probably like since you're fan of symphonic and power metal - Anneke van Giersbergen, Sharon den Adel, Hansi Kürsch etc.
I used to laugh at the idea of rock opera, but both albums are perfect imo.
I don't remember you ever posting something from Therion, but I suppose they're must for any symphonic metal fan so there's no need to mention them. they're the basics - basically.
I actually haven't listened to Therion, weirdly, or Ayreon (though I've heard of both, obviously), but I'll take a look at those two you suggested.
I'm not in any way genre pure, so I've got my favourite bands in several different genres, but there's loads I haven't seriously listened to in those same genres.
Here's some non-Nightwish (but still Dutch-female-vocalist) symphonic metal:
I might have a thing for female Dutch vocalists
Man, I remember watching this video in my teens on one of those old Nuclear Blast VHS compilations. Tune.
I struggled with the Ayreon, but for some reason that first Star One album I absolutely loved.
I love Star One as well. actually, their last two albums are better than anything he relased with his main project released since 01011001.
they retained the (fairly) usual and thus accessible prog metal sound while Ayreon... well, I'll just say I don't like it when the 60% of album are "intros" and when the majority of songs just end abruptly, like it's the case on their last few albums. I don't like it on any album, regardless of the band.
anyway, since this is Night... erm, symphonic metal thread now, another gem from the gods.
they retained the (fairly) usual and thus accessible prog metal sound while Ayreon... well, I'll just say I don't like it when the 60% of album are "intros" and when the majority of songs just end abruptly, like it's the case on their last few albums. I don't like it on any album, regardless of the band.
anyway, since this is Night... erm, symphonic metal thread now, another gem from the gods.
Piss off keyboards. We want FLUTES !
Straight up meat head. Loving this.
Just to prove that I don't only listen to Dutch vocalists:
on pair with any of the usual shouts in melodic death and my favourite song on it. we were actually winning at Porto when it was on repeat.
my favourite song from them, period.
I learned to appreciate them over the years.
Classic stuff, some of the best metal (especially with clean vocals) the 90s had to offer. Once they started to find their own sound at the turn of the decade with Tales From Twilight World, their run of five albums until A Night At The Opera is one to be admired and envied. You inspired me. I guess i'll give Somewhere Far Beyond a spin before i go out.
yup. I actually find it therapeutic in a way to listen the classics during our games, read the background of certain albums, interviews with band members and other people reviews. luckily, there are plenty of bands that kinda evaded me in my younger years, just like BG.
the rest of their discography + Saxon and Helloween, likely the next bands whose work I'm going to get through will have me sorted until the january at least.
his voice is so good
yup. I actually find it therapeutic in a way to listen the classics during our games, read the background of certain albums, interviews with band members and other people reviews. luckily, there are plenty of bands that kinda evaded me in my younger years, just like BG.
the rest of their discography + Saxon and Helloween, likely the next bands whose work I'm going to get through will have me sorted until the january at least.
his voice is so good
Man I love Hansi's vocals, particularly on NIM-E, one of my favourite albums that. Persuader's vocalist sounds a lot like him and their albums are pretty good as well, same for Savage Circus the band of former BG drummer Thomas Stauch who had the Persuader vocalist for a couple of albums.
It's a shame that their last few BG albums are a bit naff really, it's disappointing when good bands disappear up their own progressive butts, musically.
Helloween on the other hand, disappeared up their kitsch butts, but on their best material are just brilliant. One of those bands I'd have loved to have seen live when l was younger.
Oh man, Nightfall is freaking sublime. I should also add that the remastered version is one of those rare cases when the re-release isn't just a money-grab, but actually adds something to the album's sound. Their last one, The God Machine, is a return to the basics. I didn't believe they had it in them to write a thrashy song like Violent Shadows any more.
The thing with Helloween (as with any other band that managed to catch lightning in a bottle during a recording session) is that they will always be the band that wrote the two Keeper albums and, therefore, they'll always be the band with Kai Hansen as the prominent songwriter and Michael Kiske on vocals. In this sense, Andi Deris and Michael Weikath will never get the respect they deserve for literally bringing the group back from the dead. And, yes, they have written some brilliant stuff throughout the years, other than Keeper I & II. Feck it, i'll listen to The Dark Ride tonight!
Good luck with the Saxon discography. Their back-catalogue was already immense when i started listening to them in the 90s. It's daunting because they don't change their sound much, and they're also one of these perpetually 7(.5)/10 bands. A few efforts rise a bit higher, others land a tad below, but most of their stuff falls under the "very good but not great" category. They're like this 1000+ pages novel on yourself you want to read, but never start. Having said that, my generation had Unleash The Beast as a contemporary entry point to Saxon's discography. Now, that is one hell of an album.
The thing with Helloween (as with any other band that managed to catch lightning in a bottle during a recording session) is that they will always be the band that wrote the two Keeper albums and, therefore, they'll always be the band with Kai Hansen as the prominent songwriter and Michael Kiske on vocals. In this sense, Andi Deris and Michael Weikath will never get the respect they deserve for literally bringing the group back from the dead. And, yes, they have written some brilliant stuff throughout the years, other than Keeper I & II. Feck it, i'll listen to The Dark Ride tonight!
Good luck with the Saxon discography. Their back-catalogue was already immense when i started listening to them in the 90s. It's daunting because they don't change their sound much, and they're also one of these perpetually 7(.5)/10 bands. A few efforts rise a bit higher, others land a tad below, but most of their stuff falls under the "very good but not great" category. They're like this 1000+ pages novel on yourself you want to read, but never start. Having said that, my generation had Unleash The Beast as a contemporary entry point to Saxon's discography. Now, that is one hell of an album.
Anyone liking the new Chat Pile stuff? If you like your leftwing social commentary bleak, heavy and noisy these lads have got you covered.
It is, indeed! "A run of five alums", meaning:
1. Tales From The Twilight World
2. Somewhere Far Beyond
3. Imaginations From The Other Side
4. Nightfall In Middle-Earth
5. A Night At The Opera.
Tough to beat this!
Sepultura ended up in the same arena as Pantera and Machine Head for me, for some reason. Undoubtedly released some classic albums (my personal favourite is Schizophrenia), but I fell off them hard in my mid-20's for reasons I can't explain.
Hoping to reconnect with them though as I just picked up the biography Relentless, by Jason Korolenko that's been sat on the shelf unread for a few years.
As an aside I've just finished reading Mick Wall's "Lemmy" biography. Much like his Metallica and Black Sabbath bios, nicely written and with a suitable air of reverence for the man, though also quite honest in his own assessments of Motorhead's material and the somewhat fatuous things musicians come out with talking up their most recent works. It's a shame it skims a lot of the Lemmy-Campbell-Dee era and doesn't have any input from Dee or Campbell themselves.
I’d misunderstood you, sorry. I thought you meant up until that album, but not including it.
Sounds pretty normal to me. In my teens and early 20's it was mostly thrash and speed and melo death. Mid 20's it was more doom and Death (band, not genre) and sludge.
Now I'm all over the place and discovering bands from Japan, Mongolia, India and other non-English speaking places. Basically some variations of folk metal and whatever King Gizzard has to offer. Everytime I hear some of the old stuff I think "man this is good" so although I don't necessarily seek it out it still stays with you.
Yeah, I suppose the thing I find odd is that some bands from every genre I've dived into headlong I've consistently returned to. That 90's era post-thrash stuff, not so much. It probably says something that if I was to listen to something by Pantera it would probably be TGSTk, which just feels deeper than the other stuff (and one of my very few shameful likes is Machine Head's The Burning Red, rapping and all). I'm also not as angry as I used to be I guess.
These days, I just listen to whatever without really getting really obsessed with a particular style in the way I used to. Still, I should revisit Sepultura's catalogue, and give some of the post "Against" stuff a chance.
Wrong Se band.
One of the very rare Marco-centric songs of Nightwish. Man can sing.
always funny reading about stuff like this from those wild pre internet years. imagine buying Radiohead album these days and having Dismember on it
anyway...
if this band was a player, it would belong to that Players you had forgotten existed thread.
So Relentless, by Jason Korolenko, was a decent read. Interesting band Sepultura, and having dropped off them after "Against" it was interesting to find out a bit more about the story. My reading though was it seemed somewhat in favour of the members that stayed with the band, post the two splits with the Cavaleras. Not having followed any metal news since about 2005 all I vaguely remember is Max Cavalera always seemed like a loudmouth, so I don't find it hard to believe he was a jackass (though dealing with a very difficult situation at the time he quit). I'd be interested to read his biography at some point if I can find it cheap.
Having read quite a few band/artist biographies over the last few years it follows the familiar pattern of here's an album with the author's interpretations and opinion, here's a bunch of tour dates and here's a bunch of side activities carried out in downtime. Given the cycles bands go through, that's not unexpected, but it feels a bit wanting in-between, lacking direct input from band members. The scene-setting of Brazil at the start was interesting, and gave flavour to the politics of the band. And also becoming familiar is the way things speed up as the timeline moves on, so each subsequent album cycle becomes shorter and shorter. Probably due to increased professionalism and less goofing around.
The stuff about the Sepultura Official Brazilian Fan Club is quite neat as well.
Anyway, I stuck some Sepultura on shuffle the other day, and remembered how good they were. I was also mightily impressed by "Agony of Defeat", didn't realise they'd done a post-metal.
Having read quite a few band/artist biographies over the last few years it follows the familiar pattern of here's an album with the author's interpretations and opinion, here's a bunch of tour dates and here's a bunch of side activities carried out in downtime. Given the cycles bands go through, that's not unexpected, but it feels a bit wanting in-between, lacking direct input from band members. The scene-setting of Brazil at the start was interesting, and gave flavour to the politics of the band. And also becoming familiar is the way things speed up as the timeline moves on, so each subsequent album cycle becomes shorter and shorter. Probably due to increased professionalism and less goofing around.
The stuff about the Sepultura Official Brazilian Fan Club is quite neat as well.
Anyway, I stuck some Sepultura on shuffle the other day, and remembered how good they were. I was also mightily impressed by "Agony of Defeat", didn't realise they'd done a post-metal.
Any love for Heriot's debut album 'Devoured by the Mouth of Hell'? Had the album on repeat the last couple of weeks, it's great. Atmospheric and heavy.
Saw them live supporting Rolo Tomassi a couple of years ago and they seem to have come some way since then.