The UEFA Euro Fantasy Draft

The Stain said:
We're all thinking it so might as well write it; sometimes picking a great player despite questionable performances at the euro's will help sway some scan voters.
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Sometimes, as the examples above show, it goes the other way and voters react and over-compensate to anyone going against the spirit of the draft.
 
The thing about these older picks is nobodys actually seen them play and they are known from highlight reels. Ive seen Suarez id say twice ever watching old matches but I doubt half the posters here know alot about him, the last draft I was in was the manager draft and my opponent had picked all players from the early 50s and 60s from Benfica, How your regular poster was supposed to judge it I dont know, the older picks can take away from the drafts I feel because nibody can judge there form in the tournaments and they can live off there club carear, I know Suarez made team of the tournament in 1964 but that was when there was like 6 teams in it none of which played at a high level domestically bar the big countries
 
harms said:
Look, for example. The second team is a clear winner from a "scanvoter's" perspective (hence 7 votes :lol::wenger:), yet I still won by a fair margin. The fact that Annah almost conceded the defeat before the starting whistle helped a little though. Don't underestimate the voters, really.
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Yup. My team was a joke from the start and I hate when managers try to win draft games by making up shit. Your team was amazing and mine wasn't, just pathetic and takes away the credibility if I would start slating your team and saying that I would definitely win it. :lol:

The funny thing with it was that Vanderlei had changed clubs nonstop throughout his career and at one point or another he had managed almost all the Brazilian stars. Of course they weren't at all in their peak so it was more a joke to pick them up, and then in the second round when the NT rule applied suddenly he had actually had all those players in their peaks.

He did have Romario and Gamarra in their peaks though.
 
Paolo Di Canio said:
The thing about these older picks is nobodys actually seen them play and they are known from highlight reels. Ive seen Suarez id say twice ever watching old matches but I doubt half the posters here know alot about him, the last draft I was in was the manager draft and my opponent had picked all players from the early 50s and 60s from Benfica, How your regular poster was supposed to judge it I dont know, the older picks can take away from the drafts I feel because nibody can judge there form in the tournaments and they can live off there club carear, I know Suarez made team of the tournament in 1964 but that was when there was like 6 teams in it none of which played at a high level domestically bar the big countries
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There might have been a small number of teams by the time the finals tournament got going but they all had to go through a bigger qualifying tournament to get there, so it was a pretty big competition overall.

These players which excelled in the earlier Euro competitions were the creme de le creme and no lesser than their modern counterparts in terms of the work they had to put in. In fact as it was straight knockout throughout qualifying, you can argue they had to play under greater pressure throughout.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1960_European_Nations'_Cup_qualifying
 
Oops, totally forgot about the 'don't name unpicked player' thing for a second :nervous:. I hope nobody did see the formation I posted.

Paolo Di Canio said:
The thing about these older picks is nobodys actually seen them play and they are known from highlight reels. Ive seen Suarez id say twice ever watching old matches but I doubt half the posters here know alot about him, the last draft I was in was the manager draft and my opponent had picked all players from the early 50s and 60s from Benfica, How your regular poster was supposed to judge it I dont know, the older picks can take away from the drafts I feel because nibody can judge there form in the tournaments and they can live off there club carear, I know Suarez made team of the tournament in 1964 but that was when there was like 6 teams in it none of which played at a high level domestically bar the big countries
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It was an awesome team, fully deserved win. I'm still proud of my Bela Guttmann's legacy side, full of the best Hungarian and Portuguese players ever and mixed with tough defending from Italy and Uruguay.
 
Balu said:
Oops, totally forgot about the 'don't name unpicked player' thing for a second :nervous:. I hope nobody did see the formation I posted.



It was an awesome team, fully deserved win. I'm still proud of my Bela Guttmann's legacy side, full of the best Hungarian and Portuguese players ever and mixed with tough defending from Italy and Uruguay.
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One of the most memorable recent draft sides for sure - tremendous attack.. Joya, Puskas, Eusebio et al.
 
Raees said:
One of the most memorable recent draft sides for sure - tremendous attack.. Joya, Puskas, Eusebio et al.
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It's really a shame that Eusebio isn't eligibile here. One of the few European greats who never played in an Euro.
 
Gio said:
Sometimes, as the examples above show, it goes the other way and voters react and over-compensate to anyone going against the spirit of the draft.
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Yes, this was implied, just saying.. The criteria of the draft is very specific so perhaps this should be mentioned in the matches thread titles?
 
The Stain said:
Yes, this was implied, just saying.. The criteria of the draft is very specific so perhaps this should be mentioned in the matches thread titles?
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It'll be mentioned above the formation pics in the match threads and included in the poll question. Don't worry, it'll work out just fine.
 
crazy hungarians, everybody is called Gyula :lol::lol::lol:
 
Balu said:
It's really a shame that Eusebio isn't eligibile here. One of the few European greats who never played in an Euro.
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Absolutely but also a few British Isles legends who would have made this an even more richer draft especially out wide.
 
Raees said:
There might have been a small number of teams by the time the finals tournament got going but they all had to go through a bigger qualifying tournament to get there, so it was a pretty big competition overall.

These players which excelled in the earlier Euro competitions were the creme de le creme and no lesser than their modern counterparts in terms of the work they had to put in. In fact as it was straight knockout throughout qualifying, you can argue they had to play under greater pressure throughout.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1960_European_Nations'_Cup_qualifying
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You could but how is anybody supposed to know how good they were ? voters are not going to do the research that players do, None of us watched those early tournanents so its taking away from this draft having to
 
Paolo Di Canio said:
You could but how is anybody supposed to know how good they were ? voters are not going to do the research that players do, None of us watched those early tournanents so its taking away from this draft having to
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Games from 1960 and so on are available on the internet. Some earlier can be found too. The main point of this is education and fun of research - if we will stick with 1980+ drafts, it will very soon become a ridiculously boring engagement.

The vote and the voters were never the main point of this thing, at least in my understanding. But if this draft will encourage them to do some research of their own, it's only for the best.
 
Paolo Di Canio said:
You could but how is anybody supposed to know how good they were ? voters are not going to do the research that players do, None of us watched those early tournanents so its taking away from this draft having to
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The way I see it is - if you want to take part in certain types of drafts whether as a manager/voter the very minimum you should do is put the necessary effort to get to know these greats of the past and watch these older games.. or at least read the research that has been done by the managers.

If you don't like that, then you're probably not cut out for certain types of drafts.. for me the fun is watching games from the past and learning more about these great individuals.

The modern draft was for those who wanted to just use modern day players, which is fine too but this draft.. it was clear from the outset that old players from the past would feature heavily due to the 3 player pre 1966 requirement.

If people are struggling to get why guys like Puskas and Luis Suarez are being picked..or complaining about their inclusion then that is quite worrying because there is more than sufficient footage on these guys.
 
Paolo Di Canio said:
You could but how is anybody supposed to know how good they were ? voters are not going to do the research that players do, None of us watched those early tournanents so its taking away from this draft having to
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There always needs to be a balance between the two. Playing an all old-timers draft will be boring as we don't know most of them, yet on the flipside ignoring them completely means you missing part of a glorious history.I think the 3 player limit makes us do some research and showcase the best of players from that era, without making it boring.

From the comparison point of view, it is never truly a one-to-one match. Different formations, requirements from players etc make it difficult.
 
harms said:
Games from 1960 and so on are available on the internet. Some earlier can be found too. The main point of this is education and fun of research - if we will stick with 1980+ drafts, it will very soon become a ridiculously boring engagement.

The vote and the voters were never the main point of this thing, at least in my understanding. But if this draft will encourage them to do some research of their own, it's only for the best.
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Lets be honest mate not alot of people are going to sit through an entire match before castig there vote now are they? it becomes who is the better debater than who actually had a better tournament, even at that they are being judged off 1 match, cause not a hope in hell somebody will sit threw 2 whole matches, @Balu would write essays on why Gutmanns players were better than Van Gaals, half the voters had never seen them but had to believe him because he shouted the loudest (not that they were better of course :lol:)

if we done it from say born from 1950 onwards people could really debate why there player is a good pick without using quotes or putting up footage not alot of people are going to watch.
 
Raees said:
The way I see it is - if you want to take part in certain types of drafts whether as a manager/voter the very minimum you should do is put the necessary effort to get to know these greats of the past and watch these older games.. or at least read the research that has been done by the managers.

If you don't like that, then you're probably not cut out for certain types of drafts.. for me the fun is watching games from the past and learning more about these great individuals.

The modern draft was for those who wanted to just use modern day players, which is fine too but this draft.. it was clear from the outset that old players from the past would feature heavily due to the 3 player pre 1966 requirement.

If people are struggling to get why guys like Puskas and Luis Suarez are being picked..or complaining about their inclusion then that is quite worrying because there is more than sufficient footage on these guys.
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Nobodys complaining abotu Puskas or Luis Suarez, theres about 3 others players who competed in those early tournaments people have heard of, after that we have to assume from the managers pespective how good these players were, and if we judging them solely on the performance in that tournament where is the fairness if the matches are not available or the match we do watch the player didnt have the best game?
 
Paolo Di Canio said:
if we done it from say born from 1950 onwards people could really debate why there player is a good pick without using quotes or putting up footage not alot of people are going to watch.
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As if the player discussions about the players of today aren't tedious and ridiculous and we constantly see completely opposite opinions on the same player. Often enough I have the impression I'm watching a totally different game when I read the commentary on matches on the Caf.

Anyway, you knew that this draft included a bit of digging into the history of football. Why sign up when you don't enjoy that? We had several modern drafts in the last year, where that wasn't necessary. Many people enjoy all those little stories from the past, love to learn more about lesser known players and forgotten heros. If that's not your cup of tea, fair enough, but all the drafts that involved a bit of it were a huge success. This one will be too.
 
Paolo Di Canio said:
Nobodys complaining abotu Puskas or Luis Suarez, theres about 3 others players who competed in those early tournaments people have heard of, after that we have to assume from the managers pespective how good these players were, and if we judging them solely on the performance in that tournament where is the fairness if the matches are not available or the match we do watch the player didnt have the best game?
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To be fair if a certain players perception is way out of sync with reality there are so many knowledgeable posters on this forum i.e. fellow managers or voters who will call them out on it by pointing to more concrete research or video footage - so I don't think it is a major issue.

Like Balu said - even with current players we diverge wildly.
 
1. crappycraperson - 1. Platini
2. Edgar Allan Pillow & MJJ & coolredwine - 1. Puskás
3. Paolo Di Canio - 1. Cristiano Ronaldo
4. The Stain - 1. Zidane
5. Skizzo & Pat_Mustard - 1. Van Basten
6. Stobzilla 1. Beckenbauer
7. Joga Bonito 1. Maldini
8. harms 1. Dragan Džajić
9. Aldo 1. Xavi
10. Raees & Gio 1. Frank Rijkaard
11. Theon & NM 1. Matthäus
12. The Red Viper 1. Gerd Müller
13. big red123 1. Cruyff
14. Šjor Bepo & VivaJanuzaj 1. Luis Suarez
15. ctp 1. Rummenigge
16. PedroMendez 1. Meazza 2. Thuram
 
My second pick is another player who excelled at Euro 1980. Even though hosts Italy finished a disappointing fourth, their defence was the best of the tournament conceding only one goal in four games. And that defence was marshalled by the great Gaetano Scirea.

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1. crappycraperson - 1. Platini
2. Edgar Allan Pillow & MJJ & coolredwine - 1. Puskás
3. Paolo Di Canio - 1. Cristiano Ronaldo
4. The Stain - 1. Zidane
5. Skizzo & Pat_Mustard - 1. Van Basten
6. Stobzilla 1. Beckenbauer
7. Joga Bonito 1. Maldini
8. harms 1. Dragan Džajić
9. Aldo 1. Xavi
10. Raees & Gio 1. Frank Rijkaard
11. Theon & NM 1. Matthäus
12. The Red Viper 1. Gerd Müller
13. big red123 1. Cruyff
14. Šjor Bepo & VivaJanuzaj 1. Luis Suarez
15. ctp 1. Rummenigge 2. Scirea
16. PedroMendez 1. Meazza 2. Thuram

@Šjor Bepo @VivaJanuzaj
 
@Balu lets say player X played the whole tournament in 3 man defence and after i pick him i decide i want to play with a back 4, is that against the spirit of the draft? :)
 
Šjor Bepo said:
@Balu lets say player X played the whole tournament in 3 man defence and after i pick him i decide i want to play with a back 4, is that against the spirit of the draft? :)
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If his role in your team is close enough to his actual role back in the tournament, then I doubt anyone will complain. Obviously you're allowed to adjust to different tactics. I didn't make it a rule, because you need some leeway in that regard.

However, I'd think about adjusting too much. The first and second round picks all are players worthy to have a team built around them and if you want them to get the full credit for their performances, better use them in their best position.
 
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