The Trump Presidency - Part 2

langster said:
Woah, I'd like to confidently say that it's never going to happen but sadly, you just can't rule anything out after Trump getting reelected, Brexit and the way the new US government and justice system are shaping up.

I am confident in saying that if it did happen, Dwazza would either go full Canadian Rambo and go down fighting. Or he would just move to another country. He'd be welcome here but our gun laws would be a deal breaker. I reckon he'd go for Guatemala or Switzerland. :lol:
Click to expand...

Trump signifies changes in society. He will not be elected if it's the 80s crowd. We are all missing the biggest elephant in the room. It's not Trump bad, but more like Majority turns bad.

This was not the first Trump when people can be cut some slack for now knowing that they vote for. The second Trump is exactly what people are voting for. This is what the electors wants and they vote for it

So yes. The Americans (majority) wants illegal immigrants gone
 
Sky1981 said:
Trump signifies changes in society. He will not be elected if it's the 80s crowd. We are all missing the biggest elephant in the room. It's not Trump bad, but more like Majority turns bad.

This was not the first Trump when people can be cut some slack for now knowing that they vote for. The second Trump is exactly what people are voting for. This is what the electors wants and they vote for it

So yes. The Americans (majority) wants illegal immigrants gone
Click to expand...
Yeah, a girl my wife went to school with is now, along with her husband, estranged from her in-laws because she found out they voted Trump. She’s the (born in America) daughter of an illegal immigrant.

Her in-laws were fully aware of the situation when they voted Trump.
 
Sky1981 said:
Trump signifies changes in society. He will not be elected if it's the 80s crowd. We are all missing the biggest elephant in the room. It's not Trump bad, but more like Majority turns bad.

This was not the first Trump when people can be cut some slack for now knowing that they vote for. The second Trump is exactly what people are voting for. This is what the electors wants and they vote for it

So yes. The Americans (majority) wants illegal immigrants gone
Click to expand...
Only a minority of voting age Americans voted for trump. He won a majority from those that did vote.

Those that voted for Trump did so for various reasons. It doesn't take a leap of faith to assume that a significant proportion of those voters didn't vote for that policy specifically. They just don't care or are willing to accept the consequences of that particular policy in order to ensure other policies they like are enacted. Collaborators rather than ideologues.
 
Bert_ said:
Only a minority of voting age Americans voted for trump. He won a majority from those that did vote.

Those that voted for Trump did so for various reasons. It doesn't take a leap of faith to assume that a significant proportion of those voters didn't vote for that policy specifically. They just don't care or are willing to accept the consequences of that particular policy in order to ensure other policies they like are enacted. Collaborators rather than ideologues.
Click to expand...

Lets look anither way. There are more americans that wants the current immigration levels and/or composition gone compared with the ones that they want it. In between it miggt be a big pile if grey, but it is quite obvious that in europe the racism is well and alive while in the states is blunted
 
4bars said:
Lets look anither way. There are more americans that wants the current immigration levels and/or composition gone compared with the ones that they want it. In between it miggt be a big pile if grey, but it is quite obvious that in europe the racism is well and alive while in the states is blunted
Click to expand...
:)
 
President Donald Trump fired at least 17 inspectors general in a massive late-night purge on Friday evening. The terminations seemed to violate federal law.


The Washington Post first reported on the firings of 12 inspectors general at various agencies. Later, The New York Times reported that at least 17 had been removed. IGs possess investigative powers over their respective agencies where they probe potential waste, abuse, and corruption.
The Post said inspectors general from the Departments of Defense, State, Transportation, Veterans Affairs, Housing and Urban Development, Interior, and Energy were terminated. Most of the IGs who were removed were appointed by Trump during his first term.


“It’s a widespread massacre,” said one IG who was dismissed Friday night. “Whoever Trump puts in now will be viewed as loyalists, and that undermines the entire system.”
Click to expand...




https://www.mediaite.com/trump/wide...in-move-that-appeared-to-violate-federal-law/

Project 2025:

In one of its corresponding “Presidential Administration Academy” video trainings, two Project 2025 leaders say that, upon election, the next U.S. president should replace the independent Inspectors General (IGs) working to oversee federal operations and detect and prevent fraud, waste, abuse, and misconduct throughout 74 federal programs. The Project 2025 leaders said the next president should instead install “their own IGs” so that they “have control of the people that work within the government.”
Click to expand...

https://www.citizen.org/news/seventy-four-inspectors-general-could-be-fired-under-project-2025/
 
4bars said:
Lets look anither way. There are more americans that wants the current immigration levels and/or composition gone compared with the ones that they want it. In between it miggt be a big pile if grey, but it is quite obvious that in europe the racism is well and alive while in the states is blunted
Click to expand...
That's not looking at it in another way. Just a rewording.

If everyone that voted for trump did so purely on the basis of immigration/racism or whatever, then why bother with the other lies about increasing jobs and lowering food prices? Is it possible that some gullible person thinks that imposing tariffs will magically lead to lower grocery costs after being constantly bombarding with propaganda that says they will? If that person falls for that and votes for the person promising that, does that mean that they want to boot out all immigrants?
 
Bert_ said:
That's not looking at it in another way. Just a rewording.

If everyone that voted for trump did so purely on the basis of immigration/racism or whatever, then why bother with the other lies about increasing jobs and lowering food prices? Is it possible that some gullible person thinks that imposing tariffs will magically lead to lower grocery costs after being constantly bombarding with propaganda that says they will? If that person falls for that and votes for the person promising that, does that mean that they want to boot out all immigrants?
Click to expand...

Because is what is cooking in the world. Is the reason for brexit. Is the reason why when i saw trump in primaries with his first meeting talking about mexicans i said he would be the president of the US. is the reason why yhe far right is rampant in europe. Immigration immigration immigration

They had veen selling for a decade that immigration is the main problems after they gutted the middle class since 2008 and inequality only increases

It might be secondary topics. Sure. But the main point is immigration. Period. The west is finally overtly racist
 
Where‘s the opposition at in the US currently? One would assume massive demonstrations from the get go but from the outside it appears rather quiet.
 
4bars said:
Because is what is cooking in the world. Is the reason for brexit. Is the reason why when i saw trump in primaries with his first meeting talking about mexicans i said he would be the president of the US. is the reason why yhe far right is rampant in europe. Immigration immigration immigration

They had veen selling for a decade that immigration is the main problems after they gutted the middle class since 2008 and inequality only increases

It might be secondary topics. Sure. But the main point is immigration. Period. The west is finally overtly racist
Click to expand...
Anti-immigration is what is platforming these people. But once they are in touching distance of power, the anti-immigration rhetoric becomes secondary, and the racism gets hidden. You might win some inconsequential local election with a "feck the immigrants" as your sole policy, but to gain power you need wider appeal. Even if that wider appeal involves complete lies.

The Brexit campaign was a good example. The anti-immigration vote was already baked in. That wasn't enough to get 50%, so the campaign focused on lies about the NHS getting an extra £350m per week by leaving the EU.
 
Rajma said:
Pete gets confirmed as def sec, that’s insane. Checks and balances alright.
Click to expand...

and that's with McConnell voting no. They can't even conjure up embarrassing colleagues with a former senior leader voting now. The GOP is dead. This is Trumpism in complete control. I would not be shocked if they think about ditching the republican/gop name in this 4 years.
 
weetee said:
Where‘s the opposition at in the US currently? One would assume massive demonstrations from the get go but from the outside it appears rather quiet.
Click to expand...
Probably working on an angry letter or practicing their mean stare. That will show the reps!
 
HTG said:
Probably working on an angry letter or practicing their mean stare. That will show the reps!
Click to expand...
I‘m not even talking about Dems in the political realm - bad enough they immediately decided to vote along those they deemed straight evil first chance they got - but the average citizen that didn’t want Trump.
 
Bert_ said:
Anti-immigration is what is platforming these people. But once they are in touching distance of power, the anti-immigration rhetoric becomes secondary, and the racism gets hidden. You might win some inconsequential local election with a "feck the immigrants" as your sole policy, but to gain power you need wider appeal. Even if that wider appeal involves complete lies.

The Brexit campaign was a good example. The anti-immigration vote was already baked in. That wasn't enough to get 50%, so the campaign focused on lies about the NHS getting an extra £350m per week by leaving the EU.
Click to expand...

They had a hook for every demographic in the Brexit vote. The NHS bullshit is one example, I remember my brother in law talking about the 'EU wants to form an EU army' as why he had to vote for Brexit. He's ex-army so had been well targeted by some obscure story convincing him the EU was going to take over the British army or some shit.

Weaponised social media propaganda has advanced 10 years since then and now has AI, we're all fecked. Anti-immigration is the main hook that will win them the big elections though imo, the rest is just padding.
 
The damage that Biden did with his immigration policy (CBP One and parole) is going to hurt Democrats for a long time at the ballot. They’ll probably win the midterms but they’re unlikely to do so without being closer to Republicans on immigration.
 
Bert_ said:
Anti-immigration is what is platforming these people. But once they are in touching distance of power, the anti-immigration rhetoric becomes secondary, and the racism gets hidden. You might win some inconsequential local election with a "feck the immigrants" as your sole policy, but to gain power you need wider appeal. Even if that wider appeal involves complete lies.

The Brexit campaign was a good example. The anti-immigration vote was already baked in. That wasn't enough to get 50%, so the campaign focused on lies about the NHS getting an extra £350m per week by leaving the EU.
Click to expand...

I agree in a certain degree. Secondary options are there for the appeal. But IMO they are just a nice wrapping paper and gift bow that wrapps a pile of shit and somtimes gives the perfect excuse to vote and not saying that you are racist.

But lets not kid ourselves, the main topic is what it is. Immigration and there is no bigger one. Not even abortion that seemed the best battlecard. Then there is multiple secondary topics that can microswing voter %. But in the end the biggest mobilization factor was immigration and racism
 
WPMUFC said:
and that's with McConnell voting no. They can't even conjure up embarrassing colleagues with a former senior leader voting now. The GOP is dead. This is Trumpism in complete control. I would not be shocked if they think about ditching the republican/gop name in this 4 years.
Click to expand...
It's a bit late for McConnell to be taking any credit for voting against a nomination, he's the reason Trump is President and the reason there's a stacked Supreme Court
 
VorZakone said:
Hide your dogs.

Click to expand...

Between this, DoD and all the others - what is this about hiring people based on merit again? Thats what they re claiming to want to do but yet again they shoot what they say straight in the face.

Absolutely embarrassing stuff. This also shows you how much more dangerous this time since at least several picks during his first term never made it this far. Certainly not the ones with the baggage these clowns do. It's a sad state of affairs when I now think of the likes of Pompeo and Tillerson in a more positive light but ...yet again here we are.

My friends working for DoD in DC are absolutely pissed and are basically just hoping the career folks will swallow these people whole. Given how a lot of other things are designed to wipe those same people off the table this time that almost feels like idle hope.
 
Last edited:
Red in STL said:
It's a bit late for McConnell to be taking any credit for voting against a nomination, he's the reason Trump is President and the reason there's a stacked Supreme Court
Click to expand...
He didn’t have much to do with Trump becoming President. And I guess he is very happy and proud with the Supreme Court which was always going to be his legacy.
 
Revan said:
He didn’t have much to do with Trump becoming President. And I guess he is very happy and proud with the Supreme Court which was always going to be his legacy.
Click to expand...
He's definitely proud of the SC thing, but he had the opportunity to stop Trump from ever running after his first term, he was the Senate leader and he voted against convicting Trump after he was impeached the second time and then made a speech on the Senate floor railing against Trump's actions, if he'd done what he believed then Trump was toast and almost certainly would be sitting in a jail cell
 
Red in STL said:
He's definitely proud of the SC thing, but he had the opportunity to stop Trump from ever running after his first term, he was the Senate leader and he voted against convicting Trump after he was impeached the second time and then made a speech on the Senate floor railing against Trump's actions, if he'd done what he believed then Trump was toast and almost certainly would be sitting in a jail cell
Click to expand...
There would have need to be another 16 or so GOP senators to vote for that, which realistically speaking was unlikely to happen.
 
Revan said:
There would have need to be another 16 or so GOP senators to vote for that, which realistically speaking was unlikely to happen.
Click to expand...
Actually it 9 more if he had voted to convict, as GOP Senate leader he had a lot of sway in how they voted, if he said convict Trump the majority would have been reached IMO
 
Red in STL said:
Actually it 9 more if he had voted to convict, as GOP Senate leader he had a lot of sway in how they voted, if he said convict Trump the majority would have been reached IMO
Click to expand...
Nah, 2/3rd needed to remove the President. So 17 GOP senators must have voted for that. He had a lot of sway but I find it hard to imagine that 17 GOP Senators would have voted for that. Murkowski, Collins, Romney sure, hard to have find another 13 even if McCollins voted for that.
 
weetee said:
Where‘s the opposition at in the US currently? One would assume massive demonstrations from the get go but from the outside it appears rather quiet.
Click to expand...

Waiting for Taylor Swift to tell them what to do. But you’re dreaming if you think a crowd who couldn’t bother their arses going out to vote against a second term of Trump, are now going to mobilise for protests.
 
RoyH1 said:
If he removes the Chinese companies running some of the ports there, we might get a brand new Cold War.
Click to expand...
He wont really do anything to hurt China's interest significantly anywhere. Not without China benefitting. "Look we ll do this tariff thing for a little while on a very limited scope with lots of exemptions and we ll look the other way as you take Taiwan".
 
Revan said:
Nah, 2/3rd needed to remove the President. So 17 GOP senators must have voted for that. He had a lot of sway but I find it hard to imagine that 17 GOP Senators would have voted for that. Murkowski, Collins, Romney sure, hard to have find another 13 even if McCollins voted for that.
Click to expand...
You do realise that 7 of them did and ignored their leader, if McConnell had greenlighted voting to convict another 9 was more than likely
 
Red in STL said:
You do realise that 7 of them did and ignored their leader, if McConnell had greenlighted voting to convict another 9 was more than likely
Click to expand...
You’re correct. I guess I agglomerated Trump’s two impeachments (and eventually Senate acquittals).
 
Revan said:
You’re correct. I guess I agglomerated Trump’s two impeachments (and eventually Senate acquittals).
Click to expand...
Easily done with all the other shenenigans going on, I bet he never apologizes for being the gutless twat he is and will forever be
 
You must log in or register to reply here.