The Trump Presidency - Part 2

25% on Colombian coffee...but as long as the marching powder ain't taxed the trump household won't mind.
 
4bars said:
You pretty much summed it up.

Military invasion appart that would be a declaration of war to the EU (and france has nukes).

If he menace denmark with tariffs as the same way menaced spain eith 100% tariffs (bc the moron thought it was BRICS). Will see the EU how it reacts when individual countries of the union are individually targeted
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France has nukes, France also has the maddest of nuclear doctrines
 
Just waiting now for gasoline prices to spike up massively, Colombia and Canada expost billions of barrels of oil to the US, as much as Trump wants to drill baby drill it won't stop the imports

The US is the biggest oil refining country in the world, for the heavy crude oil, the domestic oil is mainly the light stuff that can't be refined here because there aren't the facilities to do so
 
africanspur said:
Surely it depends a bit on what they mean about serious?

Do they mean he’s gonna bluster and tariff and if they just hold out for 4 years, there will be a return to a more normal person?

Or that he’s literally going to invade? Not much Denmark can realistically do in that scenario but you feel it would be the end of the western order and Europe should start to see the USA as a genuine enemy. China would start to look much more reasonable around the world too.
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Europe (most of it at least) will never go against USA. Some leaders see Trump as Messiah (Hungary and Slovakia), some are scared of Russia (so in need for protection) and strongest European country (UK) is biggest and most loyal USA ally in the world.
Look at Denmark situation. It is clear act of aggression by USA on NATO/ EU member. Europe reaction? Absolutely nothing.

We are just USA bitches and it is sad sight. Denmark is fecked here.
 
Andycoleno9 said:
Europe (most of it at least) will never go against USA. Some leaders see Trump as Messiah (Hungary and Slovakia), some are scared of Russia (so in need for protection) and strongest European country (UK) is biggest and most loyal USA ally in the world.
Look at Denmark situation. It is clear act of aggression by USA on NATO/ EU member. Europe reaction? Absolutely nothing.

We are just USA bitches and it is sad sight. Denmark is fecked here.
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In what sense?
 
Andycoleno9 said:
Europe (most of it at least) will never go against USA. Some leaders see Trump as Messiah (Hungary and Slovakia), some are scared of Russia (so in need for protection) and strongest European country (UK) is biggest and most loyal USA ally in the world.
Look at Denmark situation. It is clear act of aggression by USA on NATO/ EU member. Europe reaction? Absolutely nothing.

We are just USA bitches and it is sad sight. Denmark is fecked here.
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Any military agression against denmark is the end of the world order as we know it. It means US-EU conflict or EU disgregation (and then maybe russian attack)

There is no other way around here
 
Andycoleno9 said:
Europe (most of it at least) will never go against USA. Some leaders see Trump as Messiah (Hungary and Slovakia), some are scared of Russia (so in need for protection) and strongest European country (UK) is biggest and most loyal USA ally in the world.
Look at Denmark situation. It is clear act of aggression by USA on NATO/ EU member. Europe reaction? Absolutely nothing.

We are just USA bitches and it is sad sight. Denmark is fecked here.
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NATO is fecked if this happens. The entire point of the alliance is to have a unified front backed up by a super power to avoid getting bullied by a large military power (Russia primarily). If that super power now bullies alliance members to not only surrender sovereignty, but also territory, the alliance is done.

The lack of reaction has to do with a hope that it's all just talk, because the consequences of it being a genuine threat is world changing.
 
The Firestarter said:
Still better than Genocide Joe right. Right?
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WI_Red said:
Nothing to see here @The Firestarter, we were told things could not get worse.
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Biden tried to facilitate the ethnic cleansing of Gaza back in October 2023, it was rejected by Egypt. Trump says he wants to facilitate the ethnic cleansing of Gaza now in January 2025, it has been rejected by Egypt.

What has changed?
 
Laurencio said:
NATO is fecked if this happens. The entire point of the alliance is to have a unified front backed up by a super power to avoid getting bullied by a large military power (Russia primarily). If that super power now bullies alliance members to not only surrender sovereignty, but also territory, the alliance is done.

The lack of reaction has to do with a hope that it's all just talk, because the consequences of it being a genuine threat is world changing.
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Ireland, which is not in NATO, might back the Danes but would find itself struggling to feed 1000s of US POWs.
 
What a party there must be in the Kremlin right now.
 
Laurencio said:
NATO is fecked if this happens. The entire point of the alliance is to have a unified front backed up by a super power to avoid getting bullied by a large military power (Russia primarily). If that super power now bullies alliance members to not only surrender sovereignty, but also territory, the alliance is done.

The lack of reaction has to do with a hope that it's all just talk, because the consequences of it being a genuine threat is world changing.
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I am not even talking here about possible invasion (despite, by Trump's words, it is not excluded). We all know how good USA are in getting things done with "diplomatic" and black ops tools.
Will EU react on that? I doubt it.
 
Andycoleno9 said:
I am not even talking here about possible invasion (despite, by Trump's words, it is not excluded). We all know how good USA are in getting things done with "diplomatic" and black ops tools.
Will EU react on that? I doubt it.
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What is the appropriate reaction? It's either bluster and nonsense, or it's real and shakes the foundation of NATO to its core.

Last time around he used the threat of leaving NATO as a stick to force the EU to invest more into military spending. Congress took away that option by removing the president's ability to unilaterally exit NATO. Now he's threatening an alliance partner, and is basically threatening to blow up NATO over Greenland of all places.

I think most are hoping he pivots from this into demanding closer economic ties with both the EU and Canada, more military spending in the EU and a stronger military presence in the Arctic to counter the Chinese influence. The EU member nations have to build up their military though, it's a necessity now - and best case that is exactly what the Trump administration wants to achieve.
 
Ok trump talking about Greenland and Panama Canal along with renaming the Gulf of Mexico, "Gulf of America" is petty and silly. But, we are not going to war with the EU despite headlines. Yes Half the voting population voted for him for various reasons. But, I can assure you even the nutjobs are not trying to bomb Denmark to get Greenland. He may have some angry calls with world leaders and embarrass us with threats and tariffs. But, I would be genuinely shocked if its enough for anyone to give his nonsense serious consideration and hand over a canal or Greenland.

So I think we can safely say EU doesnt need to draw up war plans. We still love you and just wait until we get some sense and someone non crazy for less sensational headlines in the next cycle.
 
Hamnat said:
Ok trump talking about Greenland and Panama Canal along with renaming the Gulf of Mexico, "Gulf of America" is petty and silly. But, we are not going to war with the EU despite headlines. Yes Half the voting population voted for him for various reasons. But, I can assure you even the nutjobs are not trying to bomb Denmark to get Greenland. He may have some angry calls with world leaders and embarrass us with threats and tariffs. But, I would be genuinely shocked if its enough for anyone to give his nonsense serious consideration and hand over a canal or Greenland.

So I think we can safely say EU doesnt need to draw up war plans. We still love you and just wait until we get some sense and someone non crazy for less sensational headlines in the next cycle.
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Half the voting population didn't vote. 1/4 of the voting population voted for him.
 
Laurencio said:
NATO is fecked if this happens. The entire point of the alliance is to have a unified front backed up by a super power to avoid getting bullied by a large military power (Russia primarily). If that super power now bullies alliance members to not only surrender sovereignty, but also territory, the alliance is done.

The lack of reaction has to do with a hope that it's all just talk, because the consequences of it being a genuine threat is world changing.
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I don't think EU countries have to fear Russian aggression, especially not after the toll the invasion of Ukraine took on Russia's military and economy. Except for nukes but they'd be a threat with or without the US. It would obviously still be a disaster. But the implications of a NATO exit through aggression on another member would be incredibly risky for the US as well I imagine. Not only because of all the military basis and the influence but all the intel they shared and possess about the US as well.
 
Hamnat said:
Ok trump talking about Greenland and Panama Canal along with renaming the Gulf of Mexico, "Gulf of America" is petty and silly. But, we are not going to war with the EU despite headlines. Yes Half the voting population voted for him for various reasons. But, I can assure you even the nutjobs are not trying to bomb Denmark to get Greenland. He may have some angry calls with world leaders and embarrass us with threats and tariffs. But, I would be genuinely shocked if its enough for anyone to give his nonsense serious consideration and hand over a canal or Greenland.

So I think we can safely say EU doesnt need to draw up war plans. We still love you and just wait until we get some sense and someone non crazy for less sensational headlines in the next cycle.
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I don't know about that. Too many things we thought of as impossible happened anyway in the US over the last decade or so. People over here are seriously worried and rightly so if you ask me. Trump getting reelected, Project 2025, now Canada, Panama and Greenland.. It would be pretty naive to rule out the possibility completely
 
I'm just reading about the whole Colombia fiasco -

Trump has taken a leaf out of Escalation Dominance theory and applied it to fecking dealing with deportations of a few hundred people.

Escalaton dominance works..but is usually reserved for very high strategic situations and/or pressing geopolitical military matters.

This is the equivalent of sending the baliffs around because some guy didn't you back for a Freddo bar.
 
Hamnat said:
Ok trump talking about Greenland and Panama Canal along with renaming the Gulf of Mexico, "Gulf of America" is petty and silly. But, we are not going to war with the EU despite headlines. Yes Half the voting population voted for him for various reasons. But, I can assure you even the nutjobs are not trying to bomb Denmark to get Greenland. He may have some angry calls with world leaders and embarrass us with threats and tariffs. But, I would be genuinely shocked if its enough for anyone to give his nonsense serious consideration and hand over a canal or Greenland.

So I think we can safely say EU doesnt need to draw up war plans. We still love you and just wait until we get some sense and someone non crazy for less sensational headlines in the next cycle.
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No, Trump is only part of the problem, the electorate put him there, and they are not getting any saner, as the years goes by.

EU needs to build a navy that can rival the US, so it can take care of its part of the Atlantic, but unfortunately, thinks the US will be there as an ally forever, so its not going to happen.
 
Morty_ said:
No, Trump is only part of the problem, the electorate put him there, and they are not getting any saner, as the years goes by.

EU needs to build a navy that can rival the US, so it can take care of its part of the Atlantic, but unfortunately, thinks the US will be there as an ally forever, so its not going to happen.
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What?

You're going to have to elaborate on this one - why does the EU need a navy to project power to the Atlantic?

I broadly agree with increasing naval expenditures, but for APAC purposes. There is no strategic positioning required in the Atlantic, there's just no threat there.
 
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