The Trump Presidency - Part 2

I applaud the bishop for standing up for what religion *should* stand up for especially in the face of all that dirty money staring her in the face. Very brave IMHO.

I know this bishop isn't Catholic - but It does make me worry though about the next power play that's long been rumored to come- the takeover of the Vatican by the ultra conservative American Catholic branch. They absolute hate Pope Francis for being too progressive in their minds. And he too spoke out against the concerns of another Trump presidency albeit less direct. I was raised Catholic and for shits and giggles set foot in the Catholic sub on Reddit one time...holy shit some of those people are crazy basically calling for the freaking pope to go to hell. (Some of them probably defending Trump for not putting his hand on the Bible as well bc hypocrisy).

Silly times in a way when some of the organized religion may be one of our last remaining hopes for controlling the hate of what is in power now- but here we are.
 
Redplane said:
I applaud the bishop for standing up for what religion *should* stand up for especially in the face of all that dirty money staring her in the face. Very brave IMHO.

I know this bishop isn't Catholic - but It does make me worry though about the next power play that's long been rumored to come- the takeover of the Vatican by the ultra conservative American Catholic branch. They absolute hate Pope Francis for being too progressive in their minds. And he too spoke out against the concerns of another Trump presidency albeit less direct. I was raised Catholic and for shits and giggles set foot in the Catholic sub on Reddit one time...holy shit some of those people are crazy basically calling for the freaking pope to go to hell. (Some of them probably defending Trump for not putting his hand on the Bible as well bc hypocrisy).

Silly times in a way when some of the organized religion may be one of our last remaining hopes for controlling the hate of what is in power now- but here we are.
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I used to read the catholic subreddit and it's hilarious.

I genuinely think a lot of people there are just taking the piss like in r/pyongyang

Their takes on things like using a condom is hilarious:

No he didn't. He said the use of condoms to prevent spread of disease is objectively evil, but shows compassion that could lead a person to conversion. The media isn't very good at reporting on the Church, so this was misunderstood as "condoms now okay!"
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I am a cashier, and the place I work sells Ouija Boards and condoms. I one time checked out an Ouija Board for a customer and condoms a couple of times. Should I have done something differently?
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Sex has two purposes, uniting a married couple and producing children. Sex is forbidden outside of marriage and marriage is permanent because of this - it's all about the family.

You cannot completely separate sex from procreation. You can choose, within a marriage, to only have sex when the risk of a pregnancy is acceptable to you relative to your circumstances at that time. If you absolutely must not conceive, then abstain.

The risk of having a child is nearly zero for most of the month, it's really only a noteworthy risk during the few days that the wife is fertile. For most situations, if you can identify those days then you can use your Prudential judgement to decide whether to have sex or not in any given day. The typical name for this is natural family planning. It is not actively contracepting by inserting barriers / etc, but it is still using your God given gift of reason in your procreation decisions.

The other point is that marriage is rightly ordered towards children. You don't have to have 8, but if you intend to never have any children then you shouldn't marry and shouldn't have sex.

As an aside, these concepts are all derived from natural law, from the nature of sex and marriage. They aren't uniquely Catholic the way going to Mass on Sunday and believing in the real divine presence in the Eucharist are. They apply to everyone.
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Tell me this is not incredibly well crafted, high brow, satire :lol:
 
AfonsoAlves said:
I used to read the catholic subreddit and it's hilarious.

I genuinely think a lot of people there are just taking the piss like in r/pyongyang

Their takes on things like using a condom is hilarious:







Tell me this is not incredibly well crafted, high brow, satire :lol:
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This seems completely real and sort of mild with other real takes that i cross my oath with

Being real makes it funny and sad at the same time
 
Red in STL said:
So you're happy to have major drug trafficking facilitator walking the streets - make no mistake that's what he was, I don't have details to hand but illegal arms sales are probably in there along with a ton of other bad shit
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he created the marketplace for that, sure, he didn’t deal anything himself. Surely anyone can easily spot the distinction? He served a decade in prison.

So yep, I think justice was served, and locking this guy up for life is protecting absolutely nothing

other than the draconian systems we have in place for stuff like drug regulation and legality, of course
 
Tarrou said:
he created the marketplace for that, sure, he didn’t deal anything himself. Surely anyone can easily spot the distinction? He served a decade in prison.

So yep, I think justice was served, and locking this guy up for life is protecting absolutely nothing

other than the draconian systems we have in place for stuff like drug regulation and legality, of course
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He facilitated all sorts of major drug sindicates on a huge scale. The fact that he personally didn't handle the drugs is rather besides the point. Drug sentencing is often draconian but in this case I'd have been quite happy to see him banged up for life. Not like he did it not knowing the consequences or that he was just some low level dealer selling a few bags to feed his own habit.

Of course legalising most drugs, tax them etc and you more or less kill organised crime in one fell swoop and do away with any need for idiots like this, but that isn't likely in most places.
 
Wibble said:
He has only done 9 years.
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I thought it was more like 12

Anyway, 9 is enough in my view yeah, he’s a software engineer who built a marketplace that was exploited by criminals..

Does that deserve a life in prison? Fair enough if you think so, no argument from me

All that tech is commonplace now, if you know where to look. Because it’s a better technology for certain tasks, and we can’t realistically police that
 
Wibble said:
He facilitated all sorts of major drug sindicates on a huge scale. The fact that he personally didn't handle the drugs is rather besides the point. Drug sentencing is often draconian but in this case I'd have been quite happy to see him banged up for life. Not like he did it not knowing the consequences or that he was just some low level dealer selling a few bags to feed his own habit.

Of course legalising most drugs, tax them etc and you more or less kill organised crime in one fell swoop and do away with any need for idiots like this, but that isn't likely in most places.
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If you think it’s besides the point, fair enough, I think that’s wild, and there’s no way we’ll agree, but appreciate the response and the way you articulated yourself
 
Red in STL said:
I'm not sure you do either, by US budget standards it wasn't gigantic and fairly neutral overall, it had a maximum spend of $891 bilion and tax reforms were to recoup $738 billion

Most of the money was to be spent on Climate Change measures which I think most of us agree was desparately needed and drug cost measures for the ACA for 3 years, and let's face it, tax reform is/was also badly needed
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So, slightly inflationary, but more or less irrelevant compared to the Fed rising interest rates, exactly like I said. You're supporting what I'm saying while you're unsure if you know what I'm talking about, how do you suppose that works?

I don't know about you, but when I think someone's wrong I don't usually explain how they're right.
 
Tarrou said:
If you think it’s besides the point, fair enough, I think that’s wild, and there’s no way we’ll agree, but appreciate the response and the way you articulated yourself
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If the guy had done it pro bono in the name of freedom, with no personal profits, just created the site and leave it running on its own, then maybe your point of view is valid, but the guy was making crazy money and he knew were the money was coming from.

Also, a bit more than just an entrepreneur.
"Evidence that Ulbricht had commissioned murder-for-hire deals for at least five people was considered at his sentencing hearing"
 
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George Owen said:
If the guy had done it pro bono in the name of freedom, with no personal profits, just created the site and leave it running on its own, then maybe your point of view is valid, but the guy was making crazy money and he knew were the money was coming from.

Also, a bit more than just an entrepreneur.
"Evidence that Ulbricht had commissioned murder-for-hire deals for at least five people was considered at his sentencing hearing"
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I’ve got no time for bad faith arguments like this. I’m not arguing what he did was right, obviously. I’m saying I think he served enough time and is no threat to society.

If you want to discuss what I actually said instead, then it’s too late now sorry, I don’t care.
 
We got what we deserved. Most people are so selfish and self centered, an argument to be had on capitalism and social media. God will have so mercy on us. We got what we deserved.
 
dpansheth said:
We got what we deserved. Most people are so selfish and self centered, an argument to be had on capitalism and social media. God will have so mercy on us. We got what we deserved.
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Im sorry but no. I am not from the US and i dont deserve what Trump will unleash on the world
 
If the international system was even slightly rational, they would start making preparations for quarantining US residents. No one should be able to leave and reach minimally rational countries.



E - yeah pointing out hypocrisy has not worked on the right since at least the 90s, but...
 
4bars said:
If I would be full palestinian and I would like a palestinian state. I could give to shits about palestinia if that would secure that my family is blown to pieces. And yes, I truly believe that the ceasefire was Trump's team doing because it was sitting there since May. Now, Trump doesn't give a shit of palestinians (and Israel for that matter) and it was for self serving purposes as PR stunt and it may well be that in a few weeks, when the hostages are released, funds Israel even more to keep going with the genocide even in a more unleashed carnage. But so far, is not the case



ceasefire and all. And yes, people are dying less
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Oh yes. That will last long. Especially with Trump practically gifting West bank to Israel.
 
berbatrick said:
If the international system was even slightly rational, they would start making preparations for quarantining US residents. No one should be able to leave and reach minimally rational countries.



E - yeah pointing out hypocrisy has not worked on the right since at least the 90s, but...
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It's like lunatics from Facebook comments who are experts on everything taking over.
 
4bars said:
Im sorry but no. I am not from the US and i dont deserve what Trump will unleash on the world
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Isolationism works both ways. The world just needs to find different allies and turn its back on the US, since it’s doing the same to everyone else.
 
berbatrick said:
If the international system was even slightly rational, they would start making preparations for quarantining US residents. No one should be able to leave and reach minimally rational countries.



E - yeah pointing out hypocrisy has not worked on the right since at least the 90s, but...
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Fecking hell. If you had to sum up everything Trump wants to achieve as president it would be that he wants to turn America into the most selfish country on the planet. What a vile person.
 
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i wonder if this means every street-level dealer is now an accessory to terror. and what about the users. terror funding?
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Yup. And the legal kicker will be Mexican migrants now having a legally legitimate reason to claim asylum in the US.

What amazes me is how many people in social media think this is an excellent idea. They think that Delta can just land with their helicopters, kill all the bad hombres, fly away and cartel problem solved.

Let's just say that the gloves come off and Trump goes in hard (Delta, Seals, killer drones, Marines making a base in Culiacan..etc). Even ignoring all the economic, geopolitical and societal consequences of committing an act of war against your neighbour, they would ultimately fail in their objective.

They could kill every single cartel member. Everyone. But in the moment a yank walks up a bouncer in a Tijuana bar, waves 200 dollars in his face and says ' I need a fix/I wanna party' the pebble start rolling down the hill and 2 years later you have a new generation of drug dealers. Probably more cunning and lethal than the ones you had before.
 
Mike Smalling said:
What a fascist thing to do.
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Surely that’s the opposite of a fascist thing to? Fascism is about an extremely authoritarian state. A fascist thing to do would be to execute the guy who runs a website that facilitates home delivery of illegal drugs, not pardon him.

Now this is obviously going to provoke one or two of the usual weapons to accuse me of trying to deny that Trump/Musk are fascists. So, to be clear, my point is that the meaning of the word has evolved. So you can’t deny their fascist inclinations by pointing out they don’t hate Jews. In the same way you also have to accept that a big element of their politics (small government, libertarian) doesn’t fit with classic fascist politics either. We all know what the word means in its modern context. So nit-picking about historical definitions is just a distraction.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Surely that’s the opposite of a fascist thing to? Fascism is about an extremely authoritarian state. A fascist thing to do would be to execute the guy who runs a website that facilitates home delivery of illegal drugs, not pardon him.

Now this is obviously going to provoke one or two of the usual weapons to accuse me of trying to deny that Trump/Musk are fascists. So, to be clear, my point is that the meaning of the word has evolved. So you can’t deny their fascist inclinations by pointing out they don’t hate Jews. In the same way you also have to accept that a big element of their politics (small government, libertarian) doesn’t fit with classic fascist politics either. We all know what the word means in its modern context. So nit-picking about historical definitions is just a distraction.
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Yeah, I was being sarcastic. The small government stuff is not why anyone calls them fascist. It's all the rest.
 
He's gone full Trump hasn't he, just a scattergun approach aimed at the entire world and he hasn't even made it through Day 3 yet.
 
thisisnottaken1 said:
“Inappropriate statements”?

She literally asked for empathy and compassion. Trump is a fecking thundercnut. feck him and feck everybody who voted for him. He’s a disgusting RAT.
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Being a decent person goes against everything Trump stands for, so that was predictable. You either make him money or stroke his ego, or you're his enemy.
 
Leg-End said:
He's gone full Trump hasn't he, just a scattergun approach aimed at the entire world and he hasn't even made it through Day 3 yet.
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The first time around it felt like we had a new talking point every couple weeks. This time around it feels like we’ll have one every couple days.
 
Leg-End said:
He's gone full Trump hasn't he, just a scattergun approach aimed at the entire world and he hasn't even made it through Day 3 yet.
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The sooner he exhausts all his batshit policies, the sooner the whole thing crashes and burn and he's exposed for the oligarchy enabler that he is, at the expense of the MAGA cultists.

A bit of copium on my part, but I do feel like the US needs to fail spectacularly for this wretched movement to die off. I just hope that not too many decent folk in the US, and indeed the wider world suffer too much because of it. Hopefully we'll get more of the infighting that we saw over the H1-B debacle, and Trump's insecurity is continually chipped away at with the 'President Musk' jibes.
 
Kaos said:
The sooner he exhausts all his batshit policies, the sooner the whole thing crashes and burn and he's exposed for the oligarchy enabler that he is, at the expense of the MAGA cultists.

A bit of copium on my part, but I do feel like the US needs to fail spectacularly for this wretched movement to die off. I just hope that not too many decent folk in the US, and indeed the wider world suffer too much because of it. Hopefully we'll get more of the infighting that we saw over the H1-B debacle, and Trump's insecurity is continually chipped away at with the 'President Musk' jibes.
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I'm hoping the whole thing will implode because of the fundamental incompatibility between Trump's vision for America as a completely closed shop and the complete reliance the tech bros business models have on globalism. At some point that's going to cause a LOT of friction.
 
thisisnottaken1 said:
“Inappropriate statements”?

She literally asked for empathy and compassion. Trump is a fecking thundercnut. feck him and feck everybody who voted for him. He’s a disgusting RAT.
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