The Trump Presidency - Part 2

thisisnottaken1 said:
“Inappropriate statements”?

She literally asked for empathy and compassion. Trump is a fecking thundercnut. feck him and feck everybody who voted for him. He’s a disgusting RAT.
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Trump expects his bishops to be full on MAGA evangelicals. Constantly reminding him how he's God's chosen and its decreed by caucasian Jesus how he needs to be doing what he's doing. Essentially he wants his clerics to be Kenneth Copeland types, not the icky mercy and compassion types who echo actual Christian sentiments. He'll be going after Pope Francis next.
 
Tarrou said:
I’ve got no time for bad faith arguments like this. I’m not arguing what he did was right, obviously. I’m saying I think he served enough time and is no threat to society.

If you want to discuss what I actually said instead, then it’s too late now sorry, I don’t care.
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He tried, unsuccessfully, or rather no evidence was actually found, to solicit 4 murders including that of one of his employees. They couldn't be proven due to anonymity of users but they may have well been carried out.

Silk Road wasn't just a drug marketplace, it was all criminal enterprise marketplace including hitmen, laundering, prostitution, peadophelia etc.

He knew full well what he was doing and even tried to take advantage of what was available for his own sadistic purposes.
 
Ultimate Grib said:
He tried, unsuccessfully, or rather no evidence was actually found, to solicit 4 murders including that of one of his employees. They couldn't be proven due to anonymity of users but they may have well been carried out.

Silk Road wasn't just a drug marketplace, it was all criminal enterprise marketplace including hitmen, laundering, prostitution, peadophelia etc.

He knew full well what he was doing and even tried to take advantage of what was available for his own sadistic purposes.
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okay then
 
Pogue Mahone said:
https://www.rte.ie/news/2025/0122/1492158-trump-pardons-silk-road-mastermind-ross-ulbricht/

@Mike Smalling

See? He’s definitely a libertarian.
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Every cloud has it's silver lining and all that.

I've always found the tendency to punish one person to the maximum in order for the government to act as if they dealt with the problem disgusting. Neither the darknet or it's marketplaces have gone anywhere in the time he has spent in jail. He was one small cog in a world of cogs. No doubt Trumps people will put other people behind bars for life for the same reasons. But if the yoyoing of American politics means these people get some sort of chance to see day light again then that has to be a positive.
 
Abizzz said:
Every cloud has it's silver lining and all that.

I've always found the tendency to punish one person to the maximum in order for the government to act as if they dealt with the problem disgusting. Neither the darknet or it's marketplaces have gone anywhere in the time he has spent in jail. He was one small cog in a world of cogs. No doubt Trumps people will put other people behind bars for life for the same reasons. But if the yoyoing of American politics means these people get some sort of chance to see day light again then that has to be a positive.
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It's going to be interesting to see what happens to the "war on drugs" with Trump in charge. You'd kind of sense from his conservative boomer energy that he'll want to lock 'em all up but that's definitely not a vibe coming from his electorate. The modern day Trumper is very much live and let live about drugs. Ditto the libertarian tech bros he's got in his ear. So you could actually see an acceleration of the decriminalisation that's already underway. And that's going to seriously piss off a lot of Republicans.
 
SilentWitness said:
Racist legend.
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It's a strange mix, because these kinds of parties are beginning to slowly attach themselves to Trump and using some of his rhetoric. The head of this guys party recently spoke at Mar-a-Lago, for example. But then they are also immensely tied to protecting the status quo, when it comes to the territories that fall under Denmark's control (they are nationalists after all).
 
hellhunter said:
For our German speaking members
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I thought that from the Postillon was even a lot better...



In the talk Musk had a week ago with Alice Weidel from German AFD they talked about the Nazis being communist... Now the Postillon asked if Musk was a communist...
 
4bars said:
Im sorry but no. I am not from the US and i dont deserve what Trump will unleash on the world
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Poorly worded post on my part. I was just talking about US impact, and you are 100% correct about the rest of the world.
 
The pardoning/partisan stuff is insane now. Like the divide is so great that there's no limits anymore.

Used to be that you'd get the same people working for multiple governments regardless of politics, and now we're looking at people like Fauci or just regular election officials fearing they'll be prosecuted just for doing their jobs. There's just zero middle ground anymore and it sadly feels like the Dems need to realise this, despite the fact that trying to govern for both sides is morally the actual proper thing to do.
 
Solius said:
The pardoning/partisan stuff is insane now. Like the divide is so great that there's no limits anymore.

Used to be that you'd get the same people working for multiple governments regardless of politics, and now we're looking at people like Fauci or just regular election officials fearing they'll be prosecuted just for doing their jobs. There's just zero middle ground anymore and it sadly feels like the Dems need to realise this, despite the fact that trying to govern for both sides is morally the actual proper thing to do.
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It's a cold civil war. For now.
 
Solius said:
The pardoning/partisan stuff is insane now. Like the divide is so great that there's no limits anymore.

Used to be that you'd get the same people working for multiple governments regardless of politics, and now we're looking at people like Fauci or just regular election officials fearing they'll be prosecuted just for doing their jobs. There's just zero middle ground anymore and it sadly feels like the Dems need to realise this, despite the fact that trying to govern for both sides is morally the actual proper thing to do.
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Democrats are a different face of the same coin. What Democrat politicians want and what Democrat voters want are two entirely different things.
 
Pexbo said:
Democrats are a different face of the same coin. What Democrat politicians want and what Democrat voters want are two entirely different things.
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I get that. Feels like outrage always wins out over anything else in the current age so I can imagine them moving more right akin to Labour rather than going in the other direction.

Feels like every party is being dragged in that direction whether they want it or not.
 
NotThatSoph said:
So, slightly inflationary, but more or less irrelevant compared to the Fed rising interest rates, exactly like I said. You're supporting what I'm saying while you're unsure if you know what I'm talking about, how do you suppose that works?

I don't know about you, but when I think someone's wrong I don't usually explain how they're right.
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In the post I responded to there was zero about the Fed
 
Solius said:
The pardoning/partisan stuff is insane now. Like the divide is so great that there's no limits anymore.

Used to be that you'd get the same people working for multiple governments regardless of politics, and now we're looking at people like Fauci or just regular election officials fearing they'll be prosecuted just for doing their jobs. There's just zero middle ground anymore and it sadly feels like the Dems need to realise this, despite the fact that trying to govern for both sides is morally the actual proper thing to do.
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Leaving aside the deep cultural and social changes over the last 50 or 60years, which I believe have brought a degree of inevitability to the emergence of this kind of politics (and this applies not just to America), it’s also an important lesson in what can happen when widespread public sentiment on certain issues is effectively ignored.
 
Solius said:
I get that. Feels like outrage always wins out over anything else in the current age so I can imagine them moving more right akin to Labour rather than going in the other direction.

Feels like every party is being dragged in that direction whether they want it or not.
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It's unfortunately the Zeitgeist. It's depressing as I see no way out of it atm.
 
weetee said:
It's unfortunately the Zeitgeist. It's depressing as I see no way out of it atm.
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Me neither.

When it reaches the point where it doesn't even matter if the opposition are consistently wrong, unqualified, racist and cruel how do you even combat that? Gone are the days where one thing ruined a politician's career.
 
Am I the only one who can't be bothered? These cnuts voted for this. Trump is a reflection of a lot of Americans.
 
Adisa said:
Am I the only one who can't be bothered? These cnuts voted for this. Trump is a reflection of a lot of Americans.
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It’s very much not isolated to within America. That’s the problem. These people are already trying to influence and interfere with European politics.
 
Adisa said:
Am I the only one who can't be bothered? These cnuts voted for this. Trump is a reflection of a lot of Americans.
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It's inevitably affecting the whole world and given the current instability or fragile state of most countries I can't see how one can't be bothered. The scale is frightening and it's far beyond "surviving only four more years and then it's back to normal".
 
Adisa said:
Am I the only one who can't be bothered? These cnuts voted for this. Trump is a reflection of a lot of Americans.
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The problem is that most people didn't vote for Trump. We are all suffering because we have a shit political system, combined with a corrupt and greedy media and an uninformed electorate. Kind of a hat trick of doom. I am a career civil servant and have never seen such draconian measures being taken against the federal work force. Agencies have to turn in the list of people hired in the last year because they are in their probationary period and can be more easily terminated. It really sucks.
 
weetee said:
It's inevitably affecting the whole world and given the current instability or fragile state of most countries I can't see how one can't be bothered. The scale is frightening and it's far beyond "surviving only four more years and then it's back to normal".
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For me Trump is a symptom of a lot that’s wrong with our politics and people’s mindset, not a cause. People agree with him.
Most of all I blame the so called centrist and left politicians. When you don’t solve peoples problems, this is what happens. Regardless of Trump our democracies are heading one way.
 
He says a lot right things... Nothing really "left" when you live in Europe and you see the conditions of life of many in the US of A

 
Solius said:
Me neither.

When it reaches the point where it doesn't even matter if the opposition are consistently wrong, unqualified, racist and cruel how do you even combat that? Gone are the days where one thing ruined a politician's career.
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This is exactly the problem. Curse of being right. People think they just need to present the right arguments and the other will change his/her opinion but that's not the case. The people should build their opinions based on facts but in reality, many don't let alone change it because of it. If we want to solve these issues, we need other strategies. The far right and conservatives don't care how they get in the votes, they just do whatever it takes. The Democrats project their own values on the voters too much. Stop pretending they are a mature and responsible target group. Have the best intentions but if they don't understand how your plans work in their favor, keep it simple and tell them something they understand.
 
Ultimate Grib said:
The messages of him soliciting these murders were found just to be clear. It was not made up as you may want to suggest.

A light read for those who think he's just a software engineer: https://www.wired.com/2015/02/read-transcript-silk-roads-boss-ordering-5-assassinations/
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okay, calm down

one of the cops working his case is now in jail for extortion, and two others suspected of corruption

he created an existential threat to the US government so it seems a bit naive to trust one side of the story on this one

let's see what he has to say when he gets out
 
MarylandMUFan said:
The problem is that most people didn't vote for Trump. We are all suffering because we have a shit political system, combined with a corrupt and greedy media and an uninformed electorate. Kind of a hat trick of doom. I am a career civil servant and have never seen such draconian measures being taken against the federal work force. Agencies have to turn in the list of people hired in the last year because they are in their probationary period and can be more easily terminated. It really sucks.
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That scenario is not unique to the US, indeed most of Western world can say the same

In the UK Labour won the election last year in a landslide despite only getting 33.7% of the vote, Brexit and the rise of Reform are a direct result of an uninformed electorate and the corrupt/greedy media

Many countries in Europe have proportional representation, fairer perhaps but it also means coalitions that cannot deliver because everything is a compromise and smaller parties have more influence than they should, that's how the US congress is designed to work but of course it doesn't , Israeli policies are a direct result of PR because the hardline small parties determine who governs
 
Tarrou said:
okay, calm down

one of the cops working his case is now in jail for extortion, and two others suspected of corruption

he created an existential threat to the US government so it seems a bit naive to trust one side of the story on this one

let's see what he has to say when he gets out
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Is this guy a hero of yours?
 
Zehner said:
This is exactly the problem. Curse of being right. People think they just need to present the right arguments and the other will change his/her opinion but that's not the case. The people should build their opinions based on facts but in reality, many don't let alone change it because of it. If we want to solve these issues, we need other strategies. The far right and conservatives don't care how they get in the votes, they just do whatever it takes. The Democrats project their own values on the voters too much. Stop pretending they are a mature and responsible target group. Have the best intentions but if they don't understand how your plans work in their favor, keep it simple and tell them something they understand.
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Blaming the left / centrist politicians for our current state of society is a bit too easy imho - they're doing a shitty job, agreed but let's face it: the golden era of universal wealth is well over (was never a reality to begin with) and people in general don't want to hear the sad truth, that's why they keep voting populists with easy and convenient "solutions".
 
Tarrou said:
I'm just saying what happened sorry if that triggers you all
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What happened is that a guy was found guilty of serious crimes and was given a harsh sentence, you appear to be glossing over the seriousness of those crimes and seem to think what he has served was more a appropriate sentence, some of us here disagree

What I really find abhorent is that he was pardoned, he's been absolved of his crimes, if it was felt that perhaps the sentence was too harsh then it could have been commuted (that's a personal view and is not directed it at anything you said)
 
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