The Trump Presidency - Part 2

Is that confirmed? That's my question pretty much, Trump has put his name on plenty of things that wasn't his.

yeah it's official

this is the first official Trump coin

awful stuff

giving him all these extra wealth feels like a terrible own-goal for society
 
But the scam is a part of, and possible because of, capitalism. Value created out of nothing, purely based on speculation that the value will go even higher (which it will, because of the speculation that the value will go even higher, and because it's Trump). What's happening here would be wrong even if this wasn't a scam.

That is not how i understand capitalism and a society based on capital goods. I think we will get lost in semantics but capitalism IMO is not grift speculation
 
Trump getting paid by vested parties before taking office. They've seen how well it worked, so Melania is now the vessel to pass money through during the administration.
 
Remember before his first term when there was all that talk about him divesting from his business.

He stood on stage with a bunch of papework and said its so extensive that his lawyers couldnt possibly go though it all in time....

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Fast forward 8 years and he and his wife are running pump and dump schemes to get rich.

How is this helping the forgotten man? Are the working class in PA, GA, MI, WI, NC etc getting rich off his meme coin?

How does it help the cost of living?

But Biden.... :lol:
 
I was trying to put a word or an idea to what feels so different this time and the best I have at the moment is that the "self-correcting" underpinnings of the systems have imploded. The media is either giving him concessions (CNN trying to get rid of Acosta), suppressed (Bezos WaPo) or wholly in the tank. Social media going right wing has meant that the "outrage and emotion" algorithms are now feeding one ideological goal. Social media embedding self belief over experts is now amped to the extreme, and the democrats are unable to keep up with the populist rhetoric to counter it.

So we now Trump saying 20 things in the space of a few hours and the dems have 1 shitty response to 1 thing he said. He goes out there and breaks every norm, standard, moral, ethics and no one can keep up, because the "self-correcting" cultural, institutional settings are destroyed. To try and stop a populist/fascist requires everything to stand in its way and its all gone. So we are all talking and interacting with it, but we all just feel like we are caught in a maze, exhausted, whilst they are the ones smashing through the maze to find the end.
 
Was watching a video about the tiktok stuff and they brought up an interesting point. Biden was still president when the Supreme Court decision can through, the ban was to take place starting under Biden and they went back to full service under Biden. All of the tik tok messaging from the company itself claims they were working with trump before he is president, that they turned the service back on because of trump's statement. Am I crazy or a private company just admitted that they were following the directions of a private citizen and stopped following the law / supreme court based on the comments a private citizen made before assuming office? Did tiktok just suggest that what Trump says is actually the law? Am I completely missing something here?
 
Surreal seeing twice impeached, convicted felon, TV personality, property tycoon, president elect Donald Trump dancing with the Village People
Well he condemned a gay/trans thing about the military which is the mentalness of it. The crowd boos the trans thing because of the framing but then watches this YMCA, probably the gayest song of all time, and cheers. It's like a micro study in behavioral norms.
 
Remember before his first term when there was all that talk about him divesting from his business.

He stood on stage with a bunch of papework and said its so extensive that his lawyers couldnt possibly go though it all in time....

gs_20170111_trump-dillon.jpg


Fast forward 8 years and he and his wife are running pump and dump schemes to get rich.

How is this helping the forgotten man? Are the working class in PA, GA, MI, WI, NC etc getting rich off his meme coin?

How does it help the cost of living?

But Biden.... :lol:
He becomes president within a few hours, executive orders are going to be flying through his office non stop. Supposedly 200+ orders the minute he's inaugurated. How does anyone ever know if people are paying for executive orders or policy? Forget DC lobbying, is policy now done through crypto wallets? How do you even investigate this?
 
One of the executive orders will be to designate drug cartels as foreign terrorist organizations. Curious what this means in practice? Sanctions on Mexico?
 
One of the executive orders will be to designate drug cartels as foreign terrorist organizations. Curious what this means in practice? Sanctions on Mexico?

Maybe sanctions, maybe independent strikes on Mexican soil without Mexican consent. What could they do to stop it?
 
Trump and his pals might be able to disract people with bread and circus for a while, but i think even the most fanatical Trump supporter is going to realize sometime during the next four years that they've been deceived (again) and that this admin is the swampiest swamp there has ever been.

Shipping out a few South American farmworkers and making some bigoted legislation might sate them for a little while, but as they slowly realize that they are descending further into poverty and squalor while the rich get richer. Its going to get ugly.
 
Trump and his pals might be able to disract people with bread and circus for a while, but i think even the most fanatical Trump supporter is going to realize sometime during the next four years that they've been deceived (again) and that this admin is the swampiest swamp there has ever been.

Shipping out a few South American farmworkers and making some bigoted legislation might sate them for a little while, but as they slowly realize that they are descending further into poverty and squalor while the rich get richer. Its going to get ugly.
I want to believe you but I doubt it. They'll find ways to rationalize it all and spin it. Egg prices will suddenly be deemed acceptable or they'll blame "the left" for obstructing Trump. It will be endless mental gymnastics.

5 minutes ago they were all for Tiktok bans to be "tough on China", now they're framing it as "Meta wants to kill its competition".
 
Trump and his pals might be able to disract people with bread and circus for a while, but i think even the most fanatical Trump supporter is going to realize sometime during the next four years that they've been deceived (again) and that this admin is the swampiest swamp there has ever been.

Shipping out a few South American farmworkers and making some bigoted legislation might sate them for a little while, but as they slowly realize that they are descending further into poverty and squalor while the rich get richer. Its going to get ugly.
Not the most fanatical supporters. There is no way. As pointed out above they will shift the blame and create different narratives until Trump eventually kicks the bucket.

The hope is that the centrist voters and the ones that weren’t really paying attention open their eyes once things don’t improve.
 
I want to believe you but I doubt it. They'll find ways to rationalize it all and spin it. Egg prices will suddenly be deemed acceptable or they'll blame "the left" for obstructing Trump. It will be endless mental gymnastics.

5 minutes ago they were all for Tiktok bans to be "tough on China", now they're framing it as "Meta wants to kill its competition".

Not the most fanatical supporters. There is no way. As pointed out above they will shift the blame and create different narratives until Trump eventually kicks the bucket.

The hope is that the centrist voters and the ones that weren’t really paying attention open their eyes once things don’t improve.

Maybe i'm wrong, but i think the whole "culture war" train is starting to lose steam and even if they manage to keep distracting people with that nonsense, it's going to matter less once people struggle to put food on the table and a roof over their head. Biden might be senile and Kamala might have been a very unpopular candidate, but the reason Trump won is because of the cost of living has become unbearable for many people

Trumps whole anti-establishment appeal is gone. Republicans have control over all three branches now and considering hes allied himself with the three richest men on the planet, it's going to take A LOT of brainwashing and mental gymnastics to convince people they know their plight or represent them in any shape or form.

Trumps greed and his stupid trade wars are going to have a cascading effect that is going to affect a lot of people. Once regular Trump end up on the streets because Trump and Elon have been robbing them blind there is going to be riots
 
Maybe i'm wrong, but i think the whole "culture war" train is starting to lose steam and even if they manage to keep distracting people with that nonsense, it's going to matter less once people struggle to put food on the table and a roof over their head. Biden might be senile and Kamala might have been a very unpopular candidate, but the reason Trump won is because of the cost of living has become unbearable for many people

Trumps whole anti-establishment appeal is gone. Republicans have control over all three branches now and considering hes allied himself with the three richest men on the planet, it's going to take A LOT of brainwashing and mental gymnastics to convince people they know their plight or represent them in any shape or form.

Trumps greed and his stupid trade wars are going to have a cascading effect that is going to affect a lot of people. Once regular Trump end up on the streets because Trump and Elon have been robbing them blind there is going to be riots
I mean, I agree on the whole cost of living thing, and obviously it will be harder to shift the blame once he is in power. I just think you may be underestimating the capacity for mental gymnastics among his hardcore base. These people think of him almost like a demigod. And there simply is no logic to who is considered "the establishment". Trump and Elon Musk are somehow not seen as that - instead they are perceived as self-made, brilliant business men. Instead "the establishment" is some random public servant that has worked all their life in the Department of Education. This is categorically wrong, of course, but that's the narrative.
 
Shipping out a few South American farmworkers and making some bigoted legislation might sate them for a little while, but as they slowly realize that they are descending further into poverty and squalor while the rich get richer. Its going to get ugly.
Basically correct, and when it does get ugly they'll go full on fascist (the government: I've seen it coming for years in the West, readying themselves to pull up the gates and be draconian). Bad days. Unimaginative political leaders (completely shite actually) across Europe and the states.
 
A totally finished country. Wish there was a way we could just stop it from infecting the rest of the world.
 
To think we were a mere few millimetres away from this not happening.

Don't let anyone tell you, you cant do anything with a couple centimetres.
 
I mean, I agree on the whole cost of living thing, and obviously it will be harder to shift the blame once he is in power. I just think you may be underestimating the capacity for mental gymnastics among his hardcore base. These people think of him almost like a demigod. And there simply is no logic to who is considered "the establishment". Trump and Elon Musk are somehow not seen as that - instead they are perceived as self-made, brilliant business men. Instead "the establishment" is some random public servant that has worked all their life in the Department of Education. This is categorically wrong, of course, but that's the narrative.

There isnt nearly as much enthusiasm now as there was in 2016 surrounding his presidency and i think at some point during the next four years the illusion is going to shatter. Him doing a rug pull on both the inaguration today and doing a pump and dump crypto scheme is surely going to piss off a good portion of his fans when his schenanigans end up costing them thousands of dollars
 
There isnt nearly as much enthusiasm now as there was in 2016 surrounding his presidency and i think at some point during the next four years the illusion is going to shatter. Him doing a rug pull on both the inaguration today and doing a pump and dump crypto scheme is surely going to piss off a good portion of his fans when his schenanigans end up costing them thousands of dollars
We shall see. I hope you're right of course. It's just that he's proven for about a decade now that he is basically Teflon.

And even if he does piss off his fanbase, would it matter? He has his four year term now, will enrich himself in insane ways, and then if the political winds blow in another direction in four years, he can just retreat to Florida to play golf and eat hamberders until he dies.
 
So will Trump be questioned by journalists about his crypto pump & dump or does literally nothing matter anymore?
 
So will Trump be questioned by journalists about his crypto pump & dump or does literally nothing matter anymore?
Literally nothing matters anymore. The public have rubber stamped all previous corruption that journalists failed to report on sufficiently and Garland “failed” to prosecute.

It’s four years of hoping that they don’t burn the world and cause lasting damage and four years of hoping that they don’t manage to figure out how to turn it into a dictatorship.

Regardless, this administration along with Musk are going to be turning the dial on zoomers. Democrats are out of touch boomers. Trump’s Republicans are going to be on propaganda overdrive to be the meme friendly fun party and it’s going to work because they have the data to drive it and the money to pay key influencers and all the social media owners are backing them.
 
That is not how i understand capitalism and a society based on capital goods. I think we will get lost in semantics but capitalism IMO is not grift speculation
Not on paper, but it's almost a built in inevitability.
 
Expansionary fiscal policy is inflationary.
Yes, what has that to do with economic performance of a presidency? US inflation was brought far below the average inflation of the other rich countries. It is not s stick to beat him with.