It’s genuinely scary how this is now their official policy.Watching Cenk Uygur prostitute himself for the "anti war maga populists" and in the space of a month they are all now on "America first means imperialism" is fecking grim. TYT has to be the worst thing to happen to progressive media in a long time. Populism is a fecking cancer and the left/progressives have to actually have a defensible position beyond "bro he's anti middle east wars, that means we can give him leeway"
The Trump Presidency - Part 2
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And we haven't even seen it yet. This is before obtaining power, before being given the entire congress to bend to his whim.
I can't stand the "it's all bluster, he's never going to do anything, don't take things so seriously" arguments. How is anyone supposed to talk about the real world if literally everything he says is supposedly real government positions/policy and a lie or "meme" all at the same time? The amount of leeway the right gets from everyone else is fecking insane. The incoming president wants to take Canada and Greenland, the official government accounts are calling this a "doctrine" but it's all memes and lies at the same time? What reality are people living in? People seem to be of this belief that until a tank rolls into toronto then it's all a joke. They strip him and the electoral right of all agency and culpability, and then if doesn't do it then......"you have Trump derangement syndrome". This is not how reality works, and i'm sick of people acting like it is.
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Watching Cenk Uygur prostitute himself for the "anti war maga populists" and in the space of a month they are all now on "America first means imperialism" is fecking grim. TYT has to be the worst thing to happen to progressive media in a long time. Populism is a fecking cancer and the left/progressives have to actually have a defensible position beyond "bro he's anti middle east wars, that means we can give him leeway"
It's very difficult to know what to make of this. Every rational thought tells me that they can't actually be serious about this, but then on the other hand, what leaders ever actually talk about other countries like this?
I think the idea is for Europe to pay for more of the military costs of defending Europe.
At least that’s what sane people are thinking. And to provide more military assistance to Ukraine.
Do Canadians have to flee? What the hell are these people on?
I'm not entirely sure the Greenland thing is a bluff. If Greenland calls for independence and gets it, then they're free to make economic deals with the US. No need for annexation.
But he doesn't want economic deals. He want to own it. Its certainly a more real possibility than Canada. However do you think Greenland will suddenly declare independence only to be owned by another country? Social problems are so deep.in Greenland they know they are better off with being part of the danish welfare state.
I am not that sure either.
Also, halfjokingly, i told my fiancée thst maybe trump will attack canada to be at war to perpetuate himself in power with the excuse of being at war with the neighbour and being a real thread.
But yeah, greenland is less than halfjoking. But to be honest. If that what people of greenland REALLY want, is up to them
I am sure Trump is completely serious about getting Greenland and probably the Panama Canal. It could happen too.
I find it very difficult to see the chiefs of staff of the American armed forces actually going through with a military attack of any kind on a peaceful neighbour like Canada. At least in the near future. Who knows when the MAGAhats permeate the highest level of the military.
A lot of this is just exerting maximum political and mediatic pressure to get massive political and economic concessions. Which he'll probably get for the most part.
- The US will probably get extra military bases and first dibs on mineral rights up there. And of course get Greenland/Denmark to kick any Chinese companies out.
- A new NAFTA deal that gives significant concessions from Mexico/Canada to US companies.
-Free passage for American ships in Panama and kicking Chinese construction companies out
The whole "Gulf of America" thing is the basest, most childish thing that his base will eat up. "Show them f''king beaners who's boss!" So no doubt the American media and schoolbooks will call it the Gulf of America while the rest of the world will continue calling it the Gulf of Mexico.
Meanwhile the Russians are laughing their asses off seeing the so called West further decompose in a flurry of tweets and social media hysteria.
Doesn’t a lot of Europe beat Murica in most indexes whether it he standard of living, public services, happiness etc?
It’s really sad how “in” all the cool “isms” of this world now are. All these populous leaders have metaphorical (and real) blood on their hands for bringing out the most depraved elements of society into the forefront to shine and be amplified as the new normal - whether it be my counties’ leaders, the US, whoever. Absolute shitbags the lot of them. Can’t wait for a time when they’re looked back as history that everyone frowns upon and is disappointed by. Long way away from that though.
Fair enough thank you. The other sources I’d found suggested that Europe had significantly less retrievable resources than this but I can’t pretend that I know much about this topic so will leave it there.
I don’t think it’s a bluff at all. I think it could happen. And the reality is that there doesn’t seem to be much the rest of the world could really do.
You have a 5 % threshold for parliament, nicht wahr? The Nordic countries have 0 to 4 %, I believe, which allows for more diverse decision making and prevents concerns in parts of the public from being completely overheard by the political elite. AfD is very much a product of the political elites not taking the social challenges and discontent in the former DDR seriously, I believe.
Good job we left the EU to buddy up more with the US, bravo.
Would you vote for independence if Trump promises you a million? If not what is the figure that will be acceptable to you.
Then im not voting for independence, then im voting to governed by the US. If Greenland want to be part of the US that's up to them, but apart from Greenlands pm saying they don't want to, they don't want to it on whims of threats of military force and economic extortion of a loyal ally.
If the US can very concretely give them a offer they can't refuse it might happen though, but Trump is hardly known to be generous in reality is he?
Can't disagree with that. The 5% threshold definitely prevents you from voting for smaller parties because you don't want to waste your vote, especially not with the AfD being as strong as it is.
Then again, it will hopefully save us from having to bear the FDP in the parliament for another 4 years so it has it's advantages as well
I can see an attempt to whip up support for a referendum in Canada, which if not granted could provide the pretext for a special military operation style ‘liberation’. Though it’s still hard to imagine the US shelling Canadian cities, it’s not quite as hard to imagine as it was a few years ago.
As for Greenland, it’ll be bought off the Danes or taken by force. They aren’t messing around here, Trump wants to add to the US borders. He also won’t be gone from power until he’s dead.
As for Greenland, it’ll be bought off the Danes or taken by force. They aren’t messing around here, Trump wants to add to the US borders. He also won’t be gone from power until he’s dead.
Would that be bad with a million or more in your pocket?
The problem as you point out is that Trump is known for screwing people over.
This reminds me of the South Park movie.
The Baldwins should seek shelter
"Operation Human Shield" does seem like something Trump would endorse.
Considering that Greenland only have about 35.000 in population they could potentially become a sort of Arctic Qatar. So yeah I imagine there is a temptation there.
Absolutely bang on. I'm so sick of these idiots as well - fecking roll on 2028... If there is something left to salvage by then.And we haven't even seen it yet. This is before obtaining power, before being given the entire congress to bend to his whim.
I can't stand the "it's all bluster, he's never going to do anything, don't take things so seriously" arguments. How is anyone supposed to talk about the real world if literally everything he says is supposedly real government positions/policy and a lie or "meme" all at the same time? The amount of leeway the right gets from everyone else is fecking insane. The incoming president wants to take Canada and Greenland, the official government accounts are calling this a "doctrine" but it's all memes and lies at the same time? What reality are people living in? People seem to be of this belief that until a tank rolls into toronto then it's all a joke. They strip him and the electoral right of all agency and culpability, and then if doesn't do it then......"you have Trump derangement syndrome". This is not how reality works, and i'm sick of people acting like it is.
Thank you for reading my rant
Europe needs to just be done with the US as an ally. No matter how much this costs we have to do it. You can't claim to support Ukraine against imperialism and then watch your biggest ally do this. Even if it's just bluster, it's extremely dangerous since all over the world wanna be conquerors would start getting ideas.
No the feck it is not!
This is a pretty good summary of the Greenland situation as it relates to Trump's desires, the legal reality between Greenland and Denmark, and the Greenlandic wish for independence. The guy is a military analyst at the Danish Defense Academy.
Huge increases in military spending without addressing the daily needs of the people will just deliver the power to right wing populism.
Which EU country is not addressing the "daily needs of the people" ?
Yep -
Now now now the Canadian government has apologised numerous times for Celine Dion -
Portugal and I assume many others.
Yet the Republicans claim that they only oppose illegal immigration.
This bill is pure racism, and it’s even worse that numerous Democrats support this.
How so? What's the poverty level there ?
Operation human shield to commence..
But if they're all millionaires they aren't gonna wanna work, so that means importing immigrants, MAGA aren't gonna stand for that!