The Trump Presidency - Part 2

The Firestarter said:
How so? What's the poverty level there ?
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25% of the population below the poverty line, record number of homeless people in the big cities, 70% of people between 18-35 live with their parents because in the metropolitan areas we have a record number of hotels, hostels and housing exclusive for tourism, the average rent in Lisbon and Porto is just slightly below the average salary. More than half the pensioners claim they need to choose between food or medicine every month. Not to mention the deterioration of healthcare conditions, with waiting time for surgeries and appointments reaching an all time high and the lack of teachers, where we have a record number of high school students without teachers even now in January. Salaries can't keep up with inflation for god knows hoe many semesters.

Now tell the people we will spend tons of money in the military. What do you think the reaction will be? Our maga party is already at around 20%.
 
Red in STL said:
But if they're all millionaires they aren't gonna wanna work, so that means importing immigrants, MAGA aren't gonna stand for that!
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They can expel the illegal immigrants crossing the southern border to Greenland. Creating a Australia v2 love story with Polar bears and everything!
 
Red in STL said:
But if they're all millionaires they aren't gonna wanna work, so that means importing immigrants, MAGA aren't gonna stand for that!
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You think MAGA cares if immigrant workers toil in the mines of Greenland? They’d be well out of sight.
 
maniak said:
25% of the population below the poverty line, record number of homeless people in the big cities, 70% of people between 18-35 live with their parents because in the metropolitan areas we have a record number of hotels, hostels and housing exclusive for tourism, the average rent in Lisbon and Porto is just slightly below the average salary. More than half the pensioners claim they need to choose between food or medicine every month. Not to mention the deterioration of healthcare conditions, with waiting time for surgeries and appointments reaching an all time high and the lack of teachers, where we have a record number of high school students without teachers even now in January. Salaries can't keep up with inflation for god knows hoe many semesters.

Now tell the people we will spend tons of money in the military. What do you think the reaction will be? Our maga party is already at around 20%.
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Tbh these numbers look grim. Don't have time to check rn (and also since I don't know the language I might not find an accurate source)
However maga types of parties are usually big on military spending and also like to marginalise certain groups (e.g homeless) so I don't see how this extra spending will increase the support for those. In fact increased social welfare spending is going to cause that to a greater extent.
 
RoyH1 said:
I find it very difficult to see the chiefs of staff of the American armed forces actually going through with a military attack of any kind on a peaceful neighbour like Canada. At least in the near future. Who knows when the MAGAhats permeate the highest level of the military.

A lot of this is just exerting maximum political and mediatic pressure to get massive political and economic concessions. Which he'll probably get for the most part.
- The US will probably get extra military bases and first dibs on mineral rights up there. And of course get Greenland/Denmark to kick any Chinese companies out.
- A new NAFTA deal that gives significant concessions from Mexico/Canada to US companies.
-Free passage for American ships in Panama and kicking Chinese construction companies out

The whole "Gulf of America" thing is the basest, most childish thing that his base will eat up. "Show them f''king beaners who's boss!" So no doubt the American media and schoolbooks will call it the Gulf of America while the rest of the world will continue calling it the Gulf of Mexico.

Meanwhile the Russians are laughing their asses off seeing the so called West further decompose in a flurry of tweets and social media hysteria.
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I think this is thebmost accurate scenario
 
So that lunatic Judge Cannon (temporarily) blocked the release of Jack Smith's Special Council report.

What's the odds that Trump tries to get her on the Supreme Court if a position pops up? She's in his pocket unlike any other, she could cause hell for decades.
 
RoyH1 said:
Meanwhile the Russians are laughing their asses off seeing the so called West further decompose in a flurry of tweets and social media hysteria.
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Putin will be cheering but I wonder what the Chinese make of this. Russia is pretty much their junior partner at this point and here they are, doing their utmost to get a president elected who antagonizes China in unprecedented fashion.
 
Zehner said:
Putin will be cheering but I wonder what the Chinese make of this. Russia is pretty much their junior partner at this point and here they are, doing their utmost to get a president elected who antagonizes China in unprecedented fashion.
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It might have been the case against Hillary but this time around they didn't need to do anything really. Elon took care of that
 
Sweet Square said:
Potentially a reason for the Greenland stuff

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Greenland being of interest to any power shouldn't be a surprise for a variety of reasons, whether it's resources, military strategic benefits or just the mere vastness of it. But by that standard what's to stop China or Russia from making a claim Alaska should be theirs? Or hell, Canada should just take it over.
 
Zehner said:
Putin will be cheering but I wonder what the Chinese make of this. Russia is pretty much their junior partner at this point and here they are, doing their utmost to get a president elected who antagonizes China in unprecedented fashion.
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Real, real good question. While it's mostly bad for China to have Trump there, he offers the benefit of accelerating the decline of the US as the so called leader of the free world and offers China the opportunity to appear reasonable and accommodating.
And while Trump is obviously a big foe for China on many levels, his cynical and transactional view of world politics might be easier for them to work with than the more ideological stance of his predecessors.
 
Raoul said:
Which is telling given that a many Red Cafe discussions are driven by tweets.
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But that's only because people take the lazy way out and just link a tweet. Most of the time there is an article at the bottom of the tweet so people could just link the article to begin with and copy and paste the introduction and Voila! discussion driven without a tweet!
 
oneniltothearsenal said:
But that's only because people take the lazy way out and just link a tweet. Most of the time there is an article at the bottom of the tweet so people could just link the article to begin with and copy and paste the introduction and Voila! discussion driven without a tweet!
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That's true, although I would question how many actually read the articles behind tweets and don't instead simply comment on the tweet headline.
 
RoyH1 said:
Real, real good question. While it's mostly bad for China to have Trump there, he offers the benefit of accelerating the decline of the US as the so called leader of the free world and offers China the opportunity to appear reasonable and accommodating.
And while Trump is obviously a big foe for China on many levels, his cynical and transactional view of world politics might be easier for them to work with than the more ideological stance of his predecessors.
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I see the benefits for them but still have a hard time imagining that they outweigh the downsights of a trade war in combination with super aggressive American geopolitics. They won't like the US increasing their military presence in Greenland and claiming the natural resources there, they won't like if a nation in a trade war with China uses its influence to effectively take control of the Panama canal and so forth. Trump might give them more leeway in their own geopolitics, true, because he has no moral code he follows but the US isn't protecting Taiwan out of altruistic reasons either. But I have to admit, I'm by no means an expert in this topic and it would be interesting to hear what actual experts think of this. Alienating China could be the nail in the coffin for Russia.
 
Raoul said:
That's true, although I would question how many actually read the articles behind tweets and don't instead simply comment on the tweet headline.
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Anything that discourages such behavior has to surely be welcome though? Not saying I'm not guilty of it either, but we would have better discussions if we actually read what we discuss.
 
Abizzz said:
Anything that discourages such behavior has to surely be welcome though? Not saying I'm not guilty of it either, but we would have better discussions if we actually read what we discussed.
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Agreed, although not all tweets have underlying articles (some are just pics) and very busy people don't always have time to read full articles, but still want to discuss what the tweet headline displays. So there is a degree of balance to be struck.
 
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