He's so weird
The Trump Presidency - Part 2
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I don't think there are more pressing matters than climate change. Don't get me wrong, I'm a big advocate of democratic values, freedom of the individual and geopolitical independence but I'd say in Maslow's hierarchy of needs, a habitable planet comes before that stuff
On a sidenote, many people seem to think climate change just means a warmer planet. Once shit gets serious, the geopolitical implications will be immense and there will be wars over habitable territories and resources on a scale our generation hasn't witnessed.
Genius is being pretty generous. Shamelessness and cruelty is not genius.
I think a poll showed we are the most anti-Trump country in the world.
Haven’t heard a politician express any real sympathy towards Trump either.
Have met one maga nutter in real life, though.
I made a vow to not spend more time on Trump after his last term, but he's not even taken office yet and is threatening war against us if we don't sell Greenland to Magaland. Mental. Against a Nato ally.
Its not genius at all.The US is a Nato allly. If the US want greater military presence there agreements can be made. This is shameless imperialism.
The "anti war candidate" enters office on a wave of imperialist land grabbing. 
It’s all shameless bombast at this point. That bombast is his whole schtick.
What he actually does is often very different.
Never met one. The main party that is traditionally strongly anti-immigrant is also very strong on maintaining the status quo with Greenland, for example. You won’t find America First people outside of the US, I’d imagine.
I'm not sure this time around I think he'll aim for a policy that will leave a legacy and expanding US territory is certainly one way to do it. The strategic interests probably go beyond Trumpian bombast.
If they can already declare independence unilaterally from Denmark you could see Trump promising enough money to Greenland to convince the majority. It'd probably cost less than the money the US currently gives to Israel to kill women and children.
Not so sure about that. He was a huge fan base in Germany. Many right wing voters can relate to him as it seems. Perceive him as an ally of theirs in their war on wokeness and immigration. Really messed up, they actually celebrate policies that would be disadvantageous for our own economy. It's morbidly fascinating how those populists manage to convince uneducated and poor voters to go against their own interests.
You also have all the entrepreneurs, crypto bros and libertarians. They generally love to glaze the US. At best they turn a blind eye.
This.
Trump might be a senile lunatic, but these aren't his ideas. Hes just the orange boil who symptomizes a disease that runs through the entire country, right down to his chauvinistic base. Europe needs to take matters into their own hands and we need to take control over our own future. Which means energy independence, sustaniable population growth and enough industry/agriculture production to sustain ourselves
The word genius is doing some serious heavy lifting here.
Yeah, they love billionaires as if they had more in common with them than with the low and middle class. Completely pathetic.
I think so as well but people said as much before the first Trump term and here we are.
The president elect got asked if he's going to invade Canada. What a universe we ended up in.
Yeah, but in the narrowest sense of when it comes to America's interest vs. the interest of another country, do you think he would get the support of many right-wing types in that nation? If we do a completely analogous hypothetical: If Trump wanted to take over some part of Germany's territory, would it be celebrated by German MAGA types?
In theory it sounds nice, but Europe is part of the wider world and climate is a shared thing, we can’t go alone, it’s pointless exercise which only fuels populists (who happen to be russia friendly), we need to be competitive and you can’t be when your energy costs are way higher than your main competitors. Unless we have a level playing field we will be left behind by the rest of the world and at that point social / political unrest may reach unthinkable levels. Until China / India / USA commits to the same green revolution you’re just making yourself poorer for no good reason.I don't think there are more pressing matters than climate change. Don't get me wrong, I'm a big advocate of democratic values, freedom of the individual and geopolitical independence but I'd say in Maslow's hierarchy of needs, a habitable planet comes before that stuff
On a sidenote, many people seem to think climate change just means a warmer planet. Once shit gets serious, the geopolitical implications will be immense and there will be wars over habitable territories and resources on a scale our generation hasn't witnessed.
I genuinely believe they'd do, at least if the current government is left leaning. Large portions of the AfD folks would rather be "ruled" by Trump than by Habeck and Baerbock, I guarantee you that, and those who don't live in the territory in question would put the blame on the government and not on Trump with a "told you so" attitude.
It's absolutely mental how irrelevant facts have become in political opinioning. Not only in regards to the AfD but in general. CDU/CSU is currently leading in the polls by a huge margin with downright disgusting populism on the back of welfare recipients, refugees and climate change. They promise tax reductions accounting to >€100bn but over €50bn of those would go to the richest 10% and over €28bn of those to the richest 1%. Only €12bn would go to the "poorest" 50%. It's honestly incredibly difficult to not become completely cynical right now.
India emits far less per capita than European countries.
More importantly, unlike the USA which is an energy superpower, the European continent is generally dependent on external suppliers for its fossil fuels and will therefore remain at the mercy of, at best increasingly unstable allies and at worst actual enemies, for its fossil fuel needs unless it manages to wean itself off.
Yes but we have plenty of fossil fuels in EU / UK the governments simply need to easy restrictions for extracting them and remove a lot of the regulations (including banking) which make them currently uneconomical for exploitation. Also nuclear power has been overlooked completely, just look at Germany.
what scares me the most is not so much the maga lunatics but the apathy from the main-stream right with these undemocratic and fascist-style moves from Trump and his cronies
I know three people who are right-wing politically, not Trump fans or magas but convinced he was the best choice for president, and they all think I'm kinda crazy for thinking Trump has fascist tendencies
maybe they're right but it's starting to look quite obvious isn't it?
I know three people who are right-wing politically, not Trump fans or magas but convinced he was the best choice for president, and they all think I'm kinda crazy for thinking Trump has fascist tendencies
maybe they're right but it's starting to look quite obvious isn't it?
‘Plenty’ is doing a lot of heavy lifting there, especially as the two countries with the highest reserves aren’t even in the EU and this is one of the most heavily industrialised places on the planet. We’re not talking Venezuela/Russia levels of reserves here.
Nuclear power I’m not necessarily against.
That's bizarre and I don't think we've gotten anywhere near that point in Denmark. The right-wing parties in Denmark generally do not lot overlap fully with a Trump type agenda. For instance, we can have a party that is strictly anti-immigrant (anti-Muslim essentially), but then be very pro welfare state. On the other hand, the most economically libertarian party do not necessarily focus heavily on the immigration topic. It's one of the benefits of a system with many different parties.
Wants to land grab Greenland (nothing to do with resources nuh uh), and take control of the Panama Canal for economic stability for the US.
What’s the difference between that and what the Chinese are threatening over Taiwan?
Also wants to rename the gulf of Mexico to the Gulf of America because it’s got a nice ring to it.
Also trolling Canadians right now
The man’s a troll, I can’t believe the world has to go through this again with him
What’s the difference between that and what the Chinese are threatening over Taiwan?
Also wants to rename the gulf of Mexico to the Gulf of America because it’s got a nice ring to it.
Also trolling Canadians right now
The man’s a troll, I can’t believe the world has to go through this again with him
Not really for shale gas alone, EU countries are almost on par with the US when it comes to technically recoverable resources from the ground we just decided to shoot ourselves in the foot by not taking advantage of it (through hard Russian lobbing and using green parties as their useful idiots).
As for sending his dumbass son and his incoming golf buddies on a “vacation” to Greenland, feck sake it’s so obvious what they are doing. Hope they freeze their bollox off
How is his stopping the war in Ukraine thing going on?
Do you have a source for this?
I think that’s the goal behind the bombast. Then this fully independent Greenland can enter into some kind of new arrangement with the US, with the latter offering all kinds of inducements to make the arrangement as close as possible.
You really have to hand it to the phrase "first as tragedy, then as farce."
Should go the whole hog and reunite the anglosphere. We're getting encircled by oligarchs.
Wait til someone tells him that America is named after an Italian cartographer
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Specially Denmark. The Danish political establishment is one of the most pro US in the world. The US could absolutely get many concessions from Denmark in Greenland, including military presence as long the Greenlanders are on board and benefit from it.
This is more Trump's ego at work. He needs his "legacy" to include a piece of land that he added to the US. Greenland and the Panama Canal are easier and less cumbersome to get hold of than a piece of Canada, nevermind Mexico.
As Europeans we just have to realize that the US is not our friend. Not anymore. Trump might be gone again in four years, but he has been the catalyst for a radical change in the country, and their system is not set up to return to normality. Demagoguery will be the new norm, and they will take what we allow them to, and interfere as they please to further their interests.
I wish I believed more in the EU.
I wish I believed more in the EU.
I know. Even though we shouldnt have joined them in Iraq the fact is that Denmark has been a loyal military ally in US led coalitions. We have veterans from Kosovo, Afghanistan and Iraq, i know many of them myself. Threatening us potentially with war if we dont hand over Greenland is as big a backstab as you can get.
I would agree completely that Trump shows us why we need the EU despite me not being overly fond if it.