The Trump Presidency - Part 2




He was spot on. Trump is the same thing just without the soft cover (advertising and PR) of the liberal GOP/DNC. All laid bare, really.

John Stewart, meanwhile, has come to the conclusion that the US is an empire about 70 years after everyone else had spotted it.
 
ManUtd1999 said:
Inflation in January: 0.5%. That’s very high. But, while I’m not optimistic, I suggest not to rush to conclusions before we get more numbers.

As for the mockery that they’re making of our institutions: predictable. America has voted for this man, and it’s time to live with the consequences of this choice, good, bad or terrible.
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Inflation in January was 3%, no?

Inflation accelerated in January, rising 3% on an annual basis, indicating that the Federal Reserve's push to drive inflation down to a 2% annual rate has stalled out, at least temporarily.
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cpi-report-january-inflation-what-it-means-for-your-money/
 
So is there no resistance in the US to what’s happening with Trump and Musk? No protests on the streets or activism? It seems odd how everything - the executive orders, Gaza statement, Musk behaving like a clown etc have been mostly accepted by the on the ground population?
 
amolbhatia50k said:
So is there no resistance in the US to what’s happening with Trump and Musk? No protests on the streets or activism? It seems odd how everything - the executive orders, Gaza statement, Musk behaving like a clown etc have been mostly accepted by the on the ground population?
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A majority of votes elected him and a vast majority decided that was not a big thread so they didn't go to vote. And he is pretty much doing and behaving as advertised. So why it should be any resistance or protests?
 
amolbhatia50k said:
So is there no resistance in the US to what’s happening with Trump and Musk? No protests on the streets or activism? It seems odd how everything - the executive orders, Gaza statement, Musk behaving like a clown etc have been mostly accepted by the on the ground population?
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there have been many protests already
 
afrocentricity said:
there have been many protests already
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Big ones? The only ones I have read about were the 50501 protests. But the numbers I found weren’t inspiring. Looking in from the outside, I share the perception that not really a lot is happening in regards to protests and it all feels strangely apathetic.
I’m aware, though, that I could be wrong there. I actually hope I am.
 
HTG said:
Big ones? The only ones I have read about were the 50501 protests. But the numbers I found weren’t inspiring. Looking in from the outside, I share the perception that not really a lot is happening in regards to protests and it all feels strangely apathetic.
I’m aware, though, that I could be wrong there. I actually hope I am.
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Maybe it's completely gone over my head, as far as awareness goes, but compare that to the protests against the Iraq War. If you can't muster that sort of energy for a legitimate fear that your country is slowly falling to fascism... when can you?
 
HTG said:
Big ones? The only ones I have read about were the 50501 protests. But the numbers I found weren’t inspiring. Looking in from the outside, I share the perception that not really a lot is happening in regards to protests and it all feels strangely apathetic.
I’m aware, though, that I could be wrong there. I actually hope I am.
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I hear ya and I agree, I was answering the question
 
HTG said:
Big ones? The only ones I have read about were the 50501 protests. But the numbers I found weren’t inspiring. Looking in from the outside, I share the perception that not really a lot is happening in regards to protests and it all feels strangely apathetic.
I’m aware, though, that I could be wrong there. I actually hope I am.
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Much of the country has been under heavy winter condition, nothing like a lot of snow and -20C temps to curb protests in the streets
 
Red in STL said:
Much of the country has been under heavy winter condition, nothing like a lot of snow and -20C temps to curb protests in the streets
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Are there movements gathering support and planning big protests? Genuinely asking.
 
There have been protests and marches against ICE and deportation efforts that have been noticeable around the country and here in Texas that we have seen. They are mostly self contained though as there is a "We told you so" general feeling in the larger population of those that would be sympathetic.

Maga people obviously are getting what they asked for even if it is hurting them with increased inflation and tariffs that will come back to bite them. I think there will be some difficulty with more larger scaled protests until the masses start seeing some tangible effects. Specifically, the Executive Orders that are clearly illegal. And the Executive Branch just letting DOGE dismantle Congressionally approved programs without actually getting laws passed. GOP know they couldn't have the votes to pass some of these Executive Orders in the correct way as laws. So they are fine with letting DOGE and Trump take the heat and see where it goes in courts.

So far in the cases for their midterms they don't have to say or explain to constituents that they are defying Trump. They don't have to explain why they couldn't get Trumps agenda passed because they aren't actually doing anything but confirming his cabinet no matter how unqualified they are.

Ford's CEO has warned that trumps tariffs will cause layoffs if government subsidies on EVs end. Right now there are tons of legal cases flying around. Yes the people paying attention see what kind of nightmare is awaiting us with these DOGE stooges combing through records and having no oversight. But, there will have to be tangible effects really before the people that didn't vote. Or the non MAGA base that still voted for trump have a change of heart perhaps in midterms. Actual mass layoffs, actual financial harm to farmers by crops not getting harvested because of workers.

I know in a lot of my social media feeds there is a feeling of we warned you all, you knew what you were getting. Buckle up protect yourselves your family as much as you can.

I think the actual protests would come for example if trump actually did try to do his Gaza Riveira bs. It is moronic, everything he says about it is dumb. He claims it won't cost us anything, much like Mexico will pay for his wall last time. That would clearly be war provocation and there is absolutely no appetite for that. Which is why most are throwing it into the he is just saying things to say them basket.

I think there would be protests if he starts just wholesale ignoring court cases on these illegal Executive orders. His administration and Elon have already come out and threatened Judges and suggested they should or will ignore them. But some of these cases will take years to get through courts. You can't just end Birthright citizenship its clearly illegal and the order has been challenged. Now let him actually try and deport citizens.

If DOGE starts digging into Medicare/Medicaid like they have other programs and people's checks or providers etc. start getting affected there I think that is another trigger of protests on a scale some are thinking about.

I think the common point I am getting at is it will have to be more tangible to everyday people at this point. Us in this thread like we said throughout the campaign are going to be more plugged in, and more in tune with whats going on that everyday people. Look at the numbers of the news shows too after the election they have all been trimming personell and losing ratings. There has been a general tiredness and what I have felt kind of a backlash where it was clear media was sanewashing trump, his administration. They were on and on about Bidens age but not reporting enough about actual policies.
 
HTG said:
Are there movements gathering support and planning big protests? Genuinely asking.
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I have no idea, there were big protests in Trump's first term but people are maybe more scared now, even then he was threatening to use the military and I reckon this time he might actually do it because there's no one around to persuade him otherwise, if that happens people will likely die
 
Gabbard confirmed. McConnel voted against, but he was the only one. Shows how weak he is within the GOP beast he helped create and fostered. Kennedy will probably pass through too.
 
Hamnat said:
There have been protests and marches against ICE and deportation efforts that have been noticeable around the country and here in Texas that we have seen. They are mostly self contained though as there is a "We told you so" general feeling in the larger population of those that would be sympathetic.

Maga people obviously are getting what they asked for even if it is hurting them with increased inflation and tariffs that will come back to bite them. I think there will be some difficulty with more larger scaled protests until the masses start seeing some tangible effects. Specifically, the Executive Orders that are clearly illegal. And the Executive Branch just letting DOGE dismantle Congressionally approved programs without actually getting laws passed. GOP know they couldn't have the votes to pass some of these Executive Orders in the correct way as laws. So they are fine with letting DOGE and Trump take the heat and see where it goes in courts.

So far in the cases for their midterms they don't have to say or explain to constituents that they are defying Trump. They don't have to explain why they couldn't get Trumps agenda passed because they aren't actually doing anything but confirming his cabinet no matter how unqualified they are.

Ford's CEO has warned that trumps tariffs will cause layoffs if government subsidies on EVs end. Right now there are tons of legal cases flying around. Yes the people paying attention see what kind of nightmare is awaiting us with these DOGE stooges combing through records and having no oversight. But, there will have to be tangible effects really before the people that didn't vote. Or the non MAGA base that still voted for trump have a change of heart perhaps in midterms. Actual mass layoffs, actual financial harm to farmers by crops not getting harvested because of workers.

I know in a lot of my social media feeds there is a feeling of we warned you all, you knew what you were getting. Buckle up protect yourselves your family as much as you can.

I think the actual protests would come for example if trump actually did try to do his Gaza Riveira bs. It is moronic, everything he says about it is dumb. He claims it won't cost us anything, much like Mexico will pay for his wall last time. That would clearly be war provocation and there is absolutely no appetite for that. Which is why most are throwing it into the he is just saying things to say them basket.

I think there would be protests if he starts just wholesale ignoring court cases on these illegal Executive orders. His administration and Elon have already come out and threatened Judges and suggested they should or will ignore them. But some of these cases will take years to get through courts. You can't just end Birthright citizenship its clearly illegal and the order has been challenged. Now let him actually try and deport citizens.

If DOGE starts digging into Medicare/Medicaid like they have other programs and people's checks or providers etc. start getting affected there I think that is another trigger of protests on a scale some are thinking about.

I think the common point I am getting at is it will have to be more tangible to everyday people at this point. Us in this thread like we said throughout the campaign are going to be more plugged in, and more in tune with whats going on that everyday people. Look at the numbers of the news shows too after the election they have all been trimming personell and losing ratings. There has been a general tiredness and what I have felt kind of a backlash where it was clear media was sanewashing trump, his administration. They were on and on about Bidens age but not reporting enough about actual policies.
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Yes, I don't think we will see any mass protests until all people start to feel the actual impact of these crazy executive orders or this takeover of government by unelected DOGE. It could be a year before it really starts to sink in what these fundamental changes really mean and by then a lot of this is going to be so entrenched it will be harder to remove, which is their whole strategy this time around.
 
4bars said:
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I think the 3% is interannual (january 2024 to january 2025) while 0.5% is the particular month of January? Which is quite high
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Yes, January 2025/January 2024= 3%
January 2025/December 2024=0.5% (more than 6% in annualized, but that’s only if it continues at this rate). Couple more months should give us a better idea of where we are. As for the Fed, they will likely decide not to cut the interest rate in their next meeting.
 
ManUtd1999 said:
Yes, January 2025/January 2024= 3%
January 2025/December 2024=0.5% (more than 6% in annualized, but that’s only if it continues at this rate). Couple more months should give us a better idea of where we are. As for the Fed, they will likely decide not to cut the interest rate in their next meeting.
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The 0.5% it can be hardly atribuitted to Trump. As you said, will see. At least 6 months in
 
4bars said:
The 0.5% it can be hardly atribuitted to Trump. As you said, will see. At least 6 months in
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Agreed. It’s difficult to attribute that to Trump. That would be unfair.

The only caveat is that inflation expectations have gone up recently, and that tends to create more inflationary pressures. That’s a result of people expecting prices to rise because of tariffs.

And, related to this point, we may get some boost to consumption of durable goods (as people rush to buy products before tariffs are imposed), and that could help growth in the very short run. But, this process will likely come to an end soon.
 
VorZakone said:
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McTurtle can feck off. He spearheaded the movement to the far right, and now realised the monster he helped to create.

He is pretty much powerless now, while having been the second most powerful man in the US for most of the last 15 years, so these token votes will do feck all.
 
ManUtd1999 said:
Agreed. It’s difficult to attribute that to Trump. That would be unfair.

The only caveat is that inflation expectations have gone up recently, and that tends to create more inflationary pressures. That’s a result of people expecting prices to rise because of tariffs.

And, related to this point, we may get some boost to consumption of durable goods (as people rush to buy products before tariffs are imposed), and that could help growth in the very short run. But, this process will likely come to an end soon.
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Trump takes credit for things that other administrations did so blaming him his indeed fair
 

FEMA claws back migrant housing funds, drawing battle with NYC officials​

The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) clawed back $80 million it gave to New York City to house migrants as the Trump administration seeks to crack down on the program.

City officials, who said they discovered the revocation Wednesday, are threatening legal action as FEMA raises concerns that the grants were possibly funding “illegal activity.”
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“I have clawed back the full payment that FEMA deep state activists unilaterally gave to NYC migrant hotels,” Secretary of Homeland Security Kristi Noem wrote on the social platform X.
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But New York City’s comptroller, Brad Lander, in a statement Wednesday claimed the $80 million revocation was “illegally executed” because Congress already appropriated the funding.

Lander went on to attack New York City Mayor Eric Adams (D) for cozying up to Trump. A day earlier, Trump’s Justice Department directed prosecutors to drop Adams’s criminal charges.
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This will get interesting. Flat out taking money Congress approved for housing migrants especially when they were being bussed and dumped in NY by states( my idiot governor etc). Will just add to the lawsuit pile if this vendetta on Blue states starts resulting in things like cash being yanked out of accounts dubiously.

While MAGA voters wont care sure which is what they will be banking on focusing on California and NY. But seeing how the mayor reacts when he just got his case dropped yesterday will be interesting.
 
TheGame said:
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he's said it numerous times now. He is very much a believer in imperialism. He said that Russia being the larger more powerful state has an inherent right to territory and Ukraine fighting back was the real issue,

“First of all, he’s fighting a much bigger entity, okay, much bigger. When he was, you know, talking so brave... Zelensky was fighting a much bigger entity, much bigger, much more powerful. He shouldn’t have done that, because we could have made a deal, and it would have been a deal that would have been, it would have been a nothing deal,” Trump claimed.
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...sky-ukraine-russia-sean-hannity-b2685565.html
 
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