Well, he isn't actually new, and thats the problem.
Imagine being a convicted felon, an insurrectionist, authoritarian, and just a genuine asshole, and all of that actually increases your popularity over time.
The Trump Presidency - Part 2
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Well, he isn't actually new, and thats the problem.
Imagine being a convicted felon, an insurrectionist, authoritarian, and just a genuine asshole, and all of that actually increases your popularity over time.
are latinos for trump likely to learn from this or no? I sure hope so....
That’s the problem we have. America has changed. It’s just the reality.
However, 53% is not that high for someone who just assumed office. Americans like to give new presidents a period of honeymoon. Will it last long? I don’t know.
Regardless of how this goes popularity-wise for Trump himself, Trumpism is here to stay. I’m pessimistic about the future of our country, and in particular about our democracy.
That's huge for Canada. What happened to waiting until March? This will return us to the exact same conversation that was happening just a week ago. Cause from what I'm reading, some 40% of US aluminum imports come from Canada (which represents some 90% of Canada's aluminum export) and over 20% of steel imports (some 95% of Canada's export). So this hits the Canadian producers very hard. (And also US companies, cause they won't be able to change their supply chain that quickly.)
I don't see any motivation given this time. Is this then 'just' about the trade deficit?
well saidat 25% per i that means 50%. Sorry.
Not as sad as this Gen X to see my generation lap this up.
Man accidentally turned into the wrong Fox channel on the tube only to see Trump double down on his threats to take Canada, Greenland etc. Saying he can stop cars being made for Canada with the stroke of a pen etc. What the feck man.
Vance is going out there and saying "whatever Trump does is legitimate thus the constitution and courts can be ignored".
You folks are about to have a King again.
https://www.mediaite.com/politics/j...e-blocks-elon-musks-access-to-sensitive-data/
You folks are about to have a King again.
https://www.mediaite.com/politics/j...e-blocks-elon-musks-access-to-sensitive-data/
And it'll probably go higher before it gets lower, the people who approve get their news from right-wing outlets that are tellimg them about how he's keeping all his promises, what they don't tell them is the courts are putting freezes on a lot of them
Something tells me C-IA didn't take out JFK.
I assume this is again just trying to bully countries into submission, without actually implementing the tariffs. Because it doesn't make sense to destroy your heavy industry sector on short notice.
I dunno if we can actually believe polls like that. But its the generation before us that fecked us.
Maybe, except that he didn't mention any particular reason for the tariffs yet. Without that, we don't have know what Canada is supposed to be bullied into. Although he's also doubling down on the idea of Canada as a US state, so maybe that's the end game he has in mind.
It's all rather sad.
Threaten tariffs on the weekend
Cancel/delay during the week.
Let your billionaire friends swindle millions on the market.
Rinse and repeat for 4 years.
Cancel/delay during the week.
Let your billionaire friends swindle millions on the market.
Rinse and repeat for 4 years.
What makes this issue of theirs even more complex is that they don’t want sanctions because it will affect farmers . They don’t want to leave because the exchange rate means most of them will be poor in USA.
I was thinking about Vance's statement again after the court ruling. We are basically at the point now that the only two options left are dictatorship or pardons right? If they just reject courts, who is going into the White House to arrest them? So they are going to commit numerous illegal acts, no one walks into arrest them, impeachment is a non-starter, soooo either they go whole hog and create a dictatorship, or it's pardons on the last day of the term and they walk away?
There's no accountability coming.
There's no accountability coming.
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There are a couple of contradictions in the Trump administration and MAGA world in general. The two contradictions that come to mind are on Israel and China.
You have the Tucker Carlson type of dudes who don't care about Israel and don't want "American troops to die for Israel". Then ofcourse you have the hardcore pro-Israel fanatics who want to give Israel all it wants.
With China you also have the non-intervention types who care more about "defeating the libs" domestically than China. But on the other side you have the Tom Cotton types who do see China as a threat and repeatedly criticize TikTok's influence.
I guess the boring answer is that when push comes to shove they'll all go along with Trump's decisions.
You have the Tucker Carlson type of dudes who don't care about Israel and don't want "American troops to die for Israel". Then ofcourse you have the hardcore pro-Israel fanatics who want to give Israel all it wants.
With China you also have the non-intervention types who care more about "defeating the libs" domestically than China. But on the other side you have the Tom Cotton types who do see China as a threat and repeatedly criticize TikTok's influence.
I guess the boring answer is that when push comes to shove they'll all go along with Trump's decisions.
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Gulf of America Day 
BBC saying Trump got cheered at the Super Bowl, tide truly has turned in favour of the far right it seems.
It seemed completely absurd that Trump could become the GOPs presidential candidate in 2016, it seemed completely absurd that he could be reelected in 2024 and here we are. Maybe the people in the US surprise us positively this time around and eventually turn on him.
As difficult as it is, I think the most important thing will be to not villainize the folks who voted for him. If they get backed into a corner and told that what they did is unforgivable, they'll only double down and become more extreme. If we want to win back right-wing voters, we need to offer them a way to change their opinion without losing their faces.
On the other hand, the outcome of the next election will also depend on whether or not the people who didn't show up for the election can be politicised.
Learn what?
Oh they should absolutely be shamed. A bulk of them voted for him knowing full well they'd be putting millions of people in dire straits, breaking families, validating their own bigotry towards minorities, the LGBTQ community and women, even if its at their own expensive and livelihoods. There's no olive branch long enough to reach out to these people without catering to the very worst of their viewpoints. Let them wallow in the mess they've created for themselves.
voting against their interests, they gotta stop doing it because its misguided. all of them, blacks/asians/indians for trump etc etc..... Trump and the MAGA crowd does not care about you, will lie to get your vote, and at the first opportunity they will enact policy against you. Dont take my word for it look into it yourself....
Which policy are you talking about with regards to Latinos?
I feel like this sentiment goes beyond just ethnicity though. It's not Latinos or African Americans that need to stop voting against their interests, but workers of all colors and cultural backgrounds. Besides, "Latinos" is not one voting group and neither is African Americans - depending on their heritage there are big differences. Trying to entice voters towards the Democrats based purely on their "identity" is a fools errand that is proving to be more and more meaningless.
i'm no expert i'm from london you might wanna do a bit of googling yourself or someone with more knowledge can chime in but there are many upset latinos on social media right now who wish they did not vote for him as he's turned around and targeted them.... theres a lot more going on too according to what I'm seeing on reputable so-me but i don't feel overly comfortable talking on it, dyor here
i dont want to derail but real talk, people need to stop voting against their interests, simple, whatever the race sex colour creed blah blah.... this current government of yours look like they are prioritising policy for a select few and are targeting DEI specifically.... as well as leaning very hard into.........
in these convos it seems like people get hung up on the words and not the message.... vote on policy not because trump told you that you specifically are special and he'll make sure you and yours will be ok.... he/they lie, you should know this, its fecking stupid, and here we are
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Often when people talk about Trump and Latinos they are talking about immigration policies, deportation, etc.
The majority of U.S. Latinos are at least second generation; 67% according to this poll. Immigration, deportation, etc. is not directly their interest because they are not immigrants. The U.S. Latinos who were foreign-born are nationalized and presumably already brought their families into the country via immigration so these policies are not in their interest anymore either. This is a stronger interest for immigrants who aren't nationalized, but they cannot legally vote.
Trump has never lied about his harsh immigration policies, to the extent that he's gained with Latinos it's because they support those policies or don't care either way.
The majority of U.S. Latinos are at least second generation; 67% according to this poll. Immigration, deportation, etc. is not directly their interest because they are not immigrants. The U.S. Latinos who were foreign-born are nationalized and presumably already brought their families into the country via immigration so these policies are not in their interest anymore either. This is a stronger interest for immigrants who aren't nationalized, but they cannot legally vote.
Trump has never lied about his harsh immigration policies, to the extent that he's gained with Latinos it's because they support those policies or don't care either way.
ok, so they shouldn't be making social media posts about this and stating how they feel swindled because their auntie has been scooped up for deportation even though they were promised it wouldn't happen to them, just the bad ones? (nobody promised them and it's clearly not just the bad ones)....
sounds like your saying they wont learn from this tbh - i'm not trying to demonise or generalise so know that, but this is dumb and if it doesn't change its just self harm...... and for what?
This is true, established 2nd/3rd gen people of immigrant background are not immune to right wing politics, I've seen it happen here in the UK too.
This seems their ultimate goal. They learned how costly it could be for them to not secure their power in 2020 when Biden got elected, they will not let this happen again and will do everything necessary to cement their power. Dems are not getting back in for a very long time.
Doesn't even matter what majority of US people think because there'll always be enough MAGA forces to prevent any shift.
Thats my fear for them too..... i think this was a good moment, if not the moment, to pull things back but now it's possible the train has left the station..... and there's a lot of blame going around while many do not take enough responsibility
This is why i was giving those two options. Ok, the illegal stuff musk is doing continues or the casing going to the supreme court rule against Trump. If Trump just says this stuff, who is stopping him? Genuinely...who?
trust me in this impending age of ai, trump and musk were probably the worst choice to empower..... and with all the moaning about Kamala and the dems as a whole, i believe most have missed this. Say what you will about these guys but they are more, i repeat, more likely to use ai and social media to further control and influence via social engineering and increasingly complex algorithms, give ai more autonomy including the ability to take decisions that effect human life, enrich themselves at the expense of everyone else etc etc....
lets hope we do better over here when the time comes....
lets hope we do better over here when the time comes....
To be fair they are the worst people to have in power under any circumstances because they simply don't care about anybody other than them. The only hope for US is that it implodes from within, Musk falls out with Trump and one of them takes the other one out, while irreversibly destroying himself in the process. If they work in tandem the destruction that they will inflict on US and the world is going to be huge.
What they deserve is a diffetent question than how you should treat them. Because the thing is, we are dependent on their votes and shaming them now will only make it more difficult to convert them later.
Shaming only serves one purpose: Ridiculing them in the eyes of the people who didn't vote for Trump but there is nothing to win in this territory.
The goalposts are being moved so much for Trump that they can barely be seen in the horizon. The promise was to lower prices, and then Baier throws him a softball that inflation (not prices) might get worse and then get better.
Right-wing economic thinking is magical to begin with, but Trump's is just nonsensical.
It's really sad how far Baier has fallen since the first Trump presidency. Man was about the only halfway measured journo they had left at Fox. Hell even now he may even still be considered that but to use what you said: also there the goalposts have been moved.
shame they're such snowflakes