The Trump Presidency - Part 2

and what i'm trying to convey is that is the fecking problem right there, can you not see it?

what are you saying? that all Latinos should not have united to protect their vulnerable? that i'm wrong and there are no Latinos/Indians/Asians/etc regretting their (very misguided) vote? - whoopie they increased their vote! well done! what do they win for that?

Latinos would no more unite to protect their vulnerable than white people would do so.

A Texan of Mexican descent who's family can trade their lineage back centuries or a second generation rich Cuban who lives in Miami may not feel they have any more in common with someone trying to cross the border from El Salvador illegally, than Trump has in common with a chicken factory worker in Ohio.

People have different interests that don't just boil down to their race. Some economic, some social, some cultural etc etc.
 
Latinos would no more unite to protect their vulnerable than white people would do so.

A Texan of Mexican descent who's family can trade their lineage back centuries or a second generation rich Cuban who lives in Miami may not feel they have any more in common with someone trying to cross the border from El Salvador illegally, than Trump has in common with a chicken factory worker in Ohio.

People have different interests that don't just boil down to their race. Some economic, some social, some cultural etc etc.
I get all that...... tell that to the upset minorities of America. Personally, I cant square that circle.... hopefully when it comes to my country there's more unity
 
but for how long? never mind the dead internet theory - how many times have we had technology turned against us? ai is already very powerful, and very convincing.

everything changes and evolves.... do not take anything for granted

I mean, nobody knows what the future brings but right now we are far away from it being possible. One reason Zuckerberg supported Trump was that the whole fact checking process was far too costly for his liking, let alone the hate speech rules etc. in Europe. Imagine how costly a complete surveillance of every means of communication would be. And then there still is the dark net. On top of that international trade that requires free flow of communication. Moreover, AI works both ways. If you can use it to analyze information, you can use it to flood the controlling AI with nonsensical stuff as well. With all the current technology, government agencies aren't able to monitor terrorists properly. A few years ago I read that terrorist cells communicated by joining private lobbies in an ego shooter and then printing messages on the walls by shooting bullet holes. People in surveillance states can access whole libraries of forbidden knowledge over Minecraft servers. There's blockchain encryption as well which is incredibly computing intensive to decipher.

If there will be an AI model that is capable of controlling all this, we're fecked anyway for other reasons :lol:
 
I mean, nobody knows what the future brings but right now we are far away from it being possible. One reason Zuckerberg supported Trump was that the whole fact checking process was far too costly for his liking, let alone the hate speech rules etc. in Europe. Imagine how costly a complete surveillance of every means of communication would be. And then there still is the dark net. On top of that international trade that requires free flow of communication. Moreover, AI works both ways. If you can use it to analyze information, you can use it to flood the controlling AI with nonsensical stuff as well. With all the current technology, government agencies aren't able to monitor terrorists properly. A few years ago I read that terrorist cells communicated by joining private lobbies in an ego shooter and then printing messages on the walls by shooting bullet holes. People in surveillance states can access whole libraries of forbidden knowledge over Minecraft servers. There's blockchain encryption as well which is incredibly computing intensive to decipher.

If there will be an AI model that is capable of controlling all this, we're fecked anyway for other reasons :lol:
Bro none of that is difficult, the data is out there, we have already compressed the internet and are now just adding new data to it relentlessly and mostly voluntarily. There are already cameras everywhere, we are tracked everywhere already. What we spend most of our day doing is consuming and producing stuff over these connections without really thinking about what would happen if things were altered in tiny imperceptible ways between points. Social media algorithms are not new and regularly set trends and influence society, elections!

Let me ask you this, how hard is it to feed this into ai and create novel algorithms for different purposes? How much has the tech landscape changed in the last 10 years? The people we are talking about, are very capable of pulling some of these things off and the only thing stopping this is us..... which is why we need to be having more of these conversations I guess. People think this stuff is further away than it is because they are not really tuned in....
 
Bro none of that is difficult, the data is out there, we have already compressed the internet and are now just adding new data to it relentlessly and mostly voluntarily. There are already cameras everywhere, we are tracked everywhere already. What we spend most of our day doing is consuming and producing stuff over these connections without really thinking about what would happen if things were altered in tiny imperceptible ways between points. Social media algorithms are not new and regularly set trends and influence society, elections!

Let me ask you this, how hard is it to feed this into ai and create novel algorithms for different purposes? How much has the tech landscape changed in the last 10 years? The people we are talking about, are very capable of pulling some of these things off and the only thing stopping this is us..... which is why we need to be having more of these conversations I guess. People think this stuff is further away than it is because they are not really tuned in....

The tasks themselves may not be difficult but they are expensive. Behind all those AIs are gigantic server infrastructures that process the requests people send them. ChatGPT is currently processing around 1 bn requests daily, WhatsApp is sending 140 bn messages in the same amount of time. And that's only text. Analyzing audio or even video files is much more expensive. Let alone encrypted files. As said, there is a reason why the Social Media giants oppose content regulations to this extent. It is simply not feasible to process and review all the content people are creating. It would make their companies much less profitable right away. And they are one of the most important political players at this stage since they can decide elections almost on their own.
 
The tasks themselves may not be difficult but they are expensive. Behind all those AIs are gigantic server infrastructures that process the requests people send them. ChatGPT is currently processing around 1 bn requests daily, WhatsApp is sending 140 bn messages in the same amount of time. And that's only text. Analyzing audio or even video files is much more expensive. Let alone encrypted files. As said, there is a reason why the Social Media giants oppose content regulations to this extent. It is simply not feasible to process and review all the content people are creating. It would make their companies much less profitable right away. And they are one of the most important political players at this stage since they can decide elections almost on their own.
but less expensive as of deepseek, tech proliferates and gets cheaper, that's what it does...................... so quicker and cheaper to build, and to distribute, every year going forwards

people think we are here:
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but we are here :
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but less expensive as of deepseek, tech proliferates and gets cheaper, that's what it does...................... so quicker and cheaper to build, and to distribute, every year going forwards

people think we are here:
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but we are here :
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Don't get me wrong, I see AI as a huge threat to humanity as well and believe we need strong regulations but I don't think the use case for it will be surveillance because it's simply much more expensive to control content than to create it. As of now, AI has rather lead to a flood of content and been used for the spreading of misinformation than controlling what information was being sent. Unless computing power will someday be limitless but htat would require limitless energy and limitless natural resources.
 
Don't get me wrong, I see AI as a huge threat to humanity as well and believe we need strong regulations but I don't think the use case for it will be surveillance because it's simply much more expensive to control content than to create it. As of now, AI has rather lead to a flood of content and been used for the spreading of misinformation than controlling what information was being sent. Unless computing power will someday be limitless but htat would require limitless energy and limitless natural resources.
then you're sleeping - dont take this personal but its sticking your head in the sand.



part of the group of people that met with trump, also including Altman and Amodei.... that we know of. You say this stuff is prohibitively hard and thats why were safe - make a compelling case, please, it would put a lot of people at ease
 
Don't get me wrong, I see AI as a huge threat to humanity as well and believe we need strong regulations but I don't think the use case for it will be surveillance because it's simply much more expensive to control content than to create it. As of now, AI has rather lead to a flood of content and been used for the spreading of misinformation than controlling what information was being sent. Unless computing power will someday be limitless but htat would require limitless energy and limitless natural resources.

we might not get to limitless but solving energy so it's incredibly cheap seems quite plausible in a 100 year timeframe, maybe less with AI helping

hiring quantum computing power is already very cheap compared to a few years ago even
 
Another 'every accusation is a confession' special. His golfing addiction during his last term cost $150million of the tax payer's dime. Perhaps DOGE could look into that?
He can't hide it either, as he has to have a load of agents watching his every move. Just because he has no self-discipline to work from home, he shreds it for everyone else.

My nephew and his wife have both worked from home for decades. They have been extremely successful in their careers, partly because they are so flexible. My nephew regularly takes calls in the middle of the night from overseas clients, his wife is constantly flying here there and everywhere for work (but has her office at home). No golf, no tennis except when they're officially off work.
 
what are you saying? that all Latinos should not have united to protect their vulnerable? that i'm wrong and there are no Latinos/Indians/Asians/etc regretting their (very misguided) vote?
What I am saying is that Latinos are not the group you think they are, you are making wrong assumptions about them.

A lot of U.S. Latino voters aren't going to see undocumented migrants as "their" vulnerable, because they don't consider them theirs. U.S. Latino voters are American citizens and undocumented migrants are not American citizens, they are different populations. 'Latino identity' does not exist within Latin America, people from these countries don't have any deep sense of solidarity to those of other counrties or anything of the sort. The fact that in the U.S. they are grouped as 'Latinos' creates some identity, but it's not that strong. This is why focusing on undocumented migrants is not "their interest" necessarily.

The other thing is that a lot of U.S. Latinos only have limited sympathy for people who get deported, because they understand that deportation is the risk you take when you try to move the U.S. through these means! Latinos aren't morons. They know that there are risks, they know that sometimes they might even be breaking the law, they take their chances because they think it might be worth it. And sometimes when you gamble, you lose.
 

Sobering.
I come from a country where the government regularly ignore court orders. There’s no rule of law.
Saw this as a reply on the video.
The Steps of the Butterfly Revolution

1. ⁠Delegitimize Institutions – Undermine public trust in the courts, the press, Congress, and any system that can challenge executive power. Convince supporters that these institutions are corrupt, biased, or controlled by enemies. We’ve already seen this with attacks on the “Deep State,” the “Fake News Media,” and the idea that courts are “weaponized” against conservatives.
2. ⁠Ignore Constraints – Once people no longer trust institutions, start disregarding them. Court rulings become optional, laws only apply when convenient, and legal norms are treated as obstacles to be worked around rather than followed. This is where we are now, with figures like J.D. Vance floating the idea of ignoring court rulings and Trump’s allies preparing to defy legal limits on power.
3. ⁠Crush Opposition – When protests and resistance emerge, use force to suppress them. Invoke emergency powers like the Insurrection Act to justify mass arrests, detain dissidents, and deploy law enforcement or military units to control unrest. Project 2025 lays the groundwork for this, calling for the detention of protesters in the same sites as undocumented immigrants.
4. ⁠Establish Autocratic Rule – With opposition neutralized and institutions sidelined, consolidate power into a single executive authority. Elections may still exist, but they’ll be hollow formalities. The new system will be framed as “restoring order” or “returning to the true Constitution,” even as real democracy ceases to function.
 
then you're sleeping - dont take this personal but its sticking your head in the sand.



part of the group of people that met with trump, also including Altman and Amodei.... that we know of. You say this stuff is prohibitively hard and thats why were safe - make a compelling case, please, it would put a lot of people at ease


Maybe I phrased it wrongly, but I have no doubt that AI will be applied in a way as described in the video and as far as I know, face recognition AI is already used in many surveillance systems. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely hate the idea and think it is very, very worrying but I was rather referring to a wholistic surveillance of communication. The starting point of the discussion was whether or not the recent developments would lead to another world war with the US attacking other countries and my argument was that the societal backlash would be too immense for that to happen because of a) nosediving living standards thanks to their reliance on international trade and b) the fact that you can't control the internet like for instance Goebbels and co. could streamline the mass media TV and radio during the Nazi regime. And I think this is still the case, it's far too much communication to capture.