The Trump Presidency - Part 2

Kamala would have kept doing what Bibi wants? Probably a safe bet.

Kamala wouldn't have let some nazi nerds to dismantle the government from the inside out and convert it onto a techno-religious fascist state, though.
 
President Donald Trump vowed to turn Gaza into “the riviera of the Middle East” on Tuesday, less than a year after his son-in-law Jared Kushner said Gaza’s “waterfront property could be very valuable.”


During a press conference with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, Trump suggested that the United States could take over Gaza and develop it following the ethnic cleansing of native Palestinians.


“I do see a long-term ownership position, and I see it bringing great stability to that part of the Middle East and maybe the entire Middle East,” he said. “This was not a decision made lightly. Everybody I’ve spoken to loves the idea of the United States owning that piece of land, developing and creating thousands of jobs with something that will be magnificent in a really magnificent area that nobody would know. Nobody could look because all they see is death and destruction and rubble and demolished buildings falling all over, it’s just a terrible sight.”
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Jordan and Egypt shitting bricks.
 
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Saudi Arabia is taking Trump seriously. They released a statement that normalisation of relations relies on a two state solution. I don't know how the ceasefire survives his statements now. Israel extremists or Hamas will look to exploit this now.


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Revan said:
It goes back to states.

Right wingers say that the US school system was the best in the world before Carter created this system. My guess is that the US is not top of the word anymore because other countries (mostly East Asian ones like Singapore or China) improved a lot their system while the US didn’t spend much on it.

I think the true reason for why GOP has this fetish to remove this department is that in state level, they’ll probably can decide to not teach evolution, and instead teach Jesus and creationism. Probably also change history to celebrate Confederation heroes. And who knows, maybe in biology teach that HIV is send by God to destroy LGBT.

And full libertarians would want the schools to be fully private (or home schooled).
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The Firestarter said:
You are thinking a regular non federalised country. In the US state have significant autonomy w.r.t school funding, curriculum, etc.
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Cheimoon said:
You've received a bunch of responses already, but just to add that there is no federal Department of Education in Canada either. It's purely done at the P/T level.
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Thanks for your replies also. In Spain the school system is regionalized and the region has a spending bag, but the money comes from the central government
 
Maybe Trump should ask around in Germany how to efficiently relocate a couple of million people so he can size the Gaza strip and build his golf places and resorts.

We used to be experts in these things not too long ago. Giving him some advice, might even circumvent any upcoming tariffs.

Crazy times we are living in and I'm sure Putin and Xi can't believe their luck that there is now an even worse and crazier imperialist in the White House.
 
B. Munich said:
Crazy times we are living in and I'm sure Putin and Xi can't believe their luck that there is now an even worse and crazier imperialist in the White House.
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Not sure how much they care. It's not like there's much of a moral high ground left here.
 
B. Munich said:
Maybe Trump should ask around in Germany how to efficiently relocate a couple of million people so he can size the Gaza strip and build his golf places and resorts.

We used to be experts in these things not too long ago. Giving him some advice, might even circumvent any upcoming tariffs.

Crazy times we are living in and I'm sure Putin and Xi can't believe their luck that there is now an even worse and crazier imperialist in the White House.
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Doesn't America bully most countries (especially hostile ones) anyway but just behind closed doors. Trump is just doing it out in the open. He is doing a bit more with allies than previous administrations but I am sure with non-allies it has always been the case.
 
Dr. StrangeHate said:
Doesn't America bully most countries (especially hostile ones) anyway but just behind closed doors. Trump is just doing it out in the open. He is doing a bit more with allies than previous administrations but I am sure with non-allies it has always been the case.
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Previous USA govt literally changed the election results in pakistan, created a revolution (which resulted in a lot people dying) in Bangladesh. Trump is a bit more open or maybe even honest about it.
 
Dr. StrangeHate said:
Doesn't America bully most countries (especially hostile ones) anyway but just behind closed doors. Trump is just doing it out in the open. He is doing a bit more with allies than previous administrations but I am sure with non-allies it has always been the case.
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To a certain extent yes. It's obviously a new experience for NATO countries but the US does do a lot of hard talking and pushing around behind close doors. That said, probably never with the rudeness and breathtaking brashness of Trump's cronies.

Trump reminds me of that Homer Simpson joke where they say he has no internal monologue so everything he thinks he just blurts out loud. The Gaza thing is absolutely crazy.
 
gorky_utd said:
Previous USA govt literally changed the election results in pakistan, created a revolution (which resulted in a lot people dying) in Bangladesh. Trump is a bit more open or maybe even honest about it.
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It's not like the CIA and the US wasn't active in latin america
 
I am however, slightly more concerned about what sort of access the likes of Musk, Google, Amazon, Meta and whatnot are getting behind closed doors.
 
thegregster said:


Excellent news. They destroyed the American education system.
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That's 300bn if USAID stays closed wiped off yearly American government expenditure. Neoliberalism. Simple. One foreign (soft power - and decline of an empire if you ask me because they relied on the likes of USAID to be that foreign soft-power sans hard power in the past), the other domestic, 240bn yearly ~ for Dept of Education).

What's next? There's probably at least 300bn gone (with the EOs) in domestic spending already (for the people spending). Use cultural wars to try and get people hating these things and then defund or eliminate them. Used to be, defund and then privatize. Now they're just steamrolling it.

Be interested to see what happens with medicare and medicaid. Already a tiny blimp there but if they go hard you're in revolution territory imo because most people cannot survive without that.
 
Dr. StrangeHate said:
Doesn't America bully most countries (especially hostile ones) anyway but just behind closed doors. Trump is just doing it out in the open. He is doing a bit more with allies than previous administrations but I am sure with non-allies it has always been the case.
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Probably yes. But I don't remember any US president publicly saying he wants take over other countries or territories.

In only 2 weeks Trump stated he wants take back the Panama canal, annex Greenland, make Canada the 51st state and now taking control over Gaza to build a Middle Eastern Riviera for the super rich.

Trump totally lost it and this won't end well.
 
All those people who abstained voting for Harris because of the previous administration's soft touch on Israel are going to be thrilled with their decision this morning.
 
Let's be honest here, all this was planned way before Trump was elected. It's why he was paid $100 Million from Miriam Adleson and it's why they were holding fecking Gaza waterfront apartment show rooms months ago. This has been planned by Netenyahu and his money laden backers a long time ago. They were just waiting for the perfect excuse and opportunity that HAMAS inevitably gave them.

The thing is, Trump, being Trump in his usual manner has just bullied his way to the front and made out he's doing it for the USA and thst the USA will be the ones to profit from it. Despite the fact it being completely fecking illegal and breaking untold international and human rights laws I bet that his words have pissed a lot of people off behind the scenes.

It's already brought a pretty brutal and unequivocal response from Saudi Arabia and no doubt pissed off Lebanon and Egypt because they probably assume that they will be expected to take in the displaced, war ravaged, poverty stricken and now publically announced PNG from their own lands Palestinian population.

Trump doesn't give a feck. He's a fecking moron and it's clear from the past month he's been in power he's absolutely hell bent on revenge, proving more than ever how powerful he is and due to his mandate in the USA, in his own mind, completely untouchable and above the law.

He's already facing massive push backs in the courts at home for his and his appointees blatant disregard for law and protocol and as with Greenland, Panama, Mexico and Canada he's trying the same with Gaza too. Don't think for one minute it will end there either, he's truly lost the plot and going waaaay OTT and I have no doubt he will soon be refocusing his sights on any of the aforementioned countries or quite likely move on to somewhere new.

During his first term I sat waiting in almost certainty that he would be pulled up and held accountable. Then during Biden's 4 years I sat watching and sadly knowing all the investigations snd subsequent findings and court cases would amount to nothing. This time though, and especially given it's been only a month of his latest term, I am sure something has to give. If he was, much like in his first term, only really causing issues in the USA then I think the world would again sit back and do nothing but watch thinking it doesn't really affect anyone else so better to just let him get on with it. That isn't the case snymore and he's going hell for leather at many other countries including his closest neighbours and some of his strongest allies. He's now seriously meddling with world affairs and putting lots of noses out of joint and endangering lives, alliances, trade deals, trade routes and other economies that will affect other countries and the world in general.

I can't see how it's going to be allowed or accepted if he continues on this path, especially as he seems to be seriously over extending. He's fighting too many battles in too many places with his usual bird-brained, arrogant, without thought, scattergun approach.

Surely a breaking point has to be reached and enough will be enough? The biggest worry being that if countries or leaders do come together against him, given his petty and vengeful nature he chooses to retaliate with force. If that became a reality would then his own government and people also stand up and defy him too?

I truly fecking hate that he yet again has this ability and this platform to cause so much upheaval and truly hate how he's escaped punishment for doing so in his previous time as President. Again, last time it was mainly just the USA who suffered from it all yet this time it's clearly being heard and felt on a much larger scale around the globe. That's the main reason why I have a glimmer of hope that at the very least he's slapped the feck back down. Of course, preferably, he becomes so toxic he is taken the feck out or put down so hard or alienated by so many he has no choice other than to realise he's fighting a losing battle and just reconcentrates his focus on the USA and therefore leaves the rest of us the feck alone. Sorry USA, but for the rest of us that's probably our best option and potential outcome.
 
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WPMUFC said:
Saudi Arabia is taking Trump seriously. They released a statement that normalisation of relations relies on a two state solution. I don't know how the ceasefire survives his statements now. Israel extremists or Hamas will look to exploit this now.


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I’m not sure either. It may do simply because the place has been so devastated that there’s little effective resistance left.
 
Kinsella said:
I’m not sure either. It may do simply because the place has been so devastated that there’s little effective resistance left.
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Plenty incentive from settlers and Ben-Gvir to break it now. Iran might also want to foment the other side. The MAGA's are going one step further and suggesting he should turn Gaza into a military outpost for the USA and stop relying on UAE as a third party. It's all up in the air now.
 
oneniltothearsenal said:
This is why arguments by analogy are so poor.

What this really is, is what happens when a reactionary right wing movement gains traction in a liberal democracy and starts making it illiberal. This is not being driven by realpolitik, its being driven by a revival of a completely outdated mercantilist economic policy and regressive religious conservative social views powered by personal megalomania and sprinkled with some self-interested billionaires.. This is not at all Kissinger style realpolitik, its something much more nefarious and it needs to be opposed from within. If you actually care about these Western values you've gone on about, I hope you speak out for what it is and not just euphemistically reduce it to "just realpolitik".
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He hasn't responded to this, has he?

It does make me quite curious as to what exactly his western values are if he's so concerned about China threatening them but not Trump
 
I know that the majority of Americans did not vote for Trump, but I'll be fecked if I'm going to do even the tiniest bit to contribute to the US economy till it seriously changes its ways. In the meantime, I'm going to make a concerted effort to boycot all of its exports and services.
 
decorativeed said:
I know that the majority of Americans did not vote for Trump, but I'll be fecked if I'm going to do even the tiniest bit to contribute to the US economy till it seriously changes its ways. In the meantime, I'm going to make a concerted effort to boycot all of its exports and services.
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Good luck
 
decorativeed said:
I know that the majority of Americans did not vote for Trump, but I'll be fecked if I'm going to do even the tiniest bit to contribute to the US economy till it seriously changes its ways. In the meantime, I'm going to make a concerted effort to boycot all of its exports and services.
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Actually they did this time. If you don't count people who had the the right but didn't vote.
 
neverdie said:
That's 300bn if USAID stays closed wiped off yearly American government expenditure. Neoliberalism. Simple. One foreign (soft power - and decline of an empire if you ask me because they relied on the likes of USAID to be that foreign soft-power sans hard power in the past), the other domestic, 240bn yearly ~ for Dept of Education).

What's next? There's probably at least 300bn gone (with the EOs) in domestic spending already (for the people spending). Use cultural wars to try and get people hating these things and then defund or eliminate them. Used to be, defund and then privatize. Now they're just steamrolling it.

Be interested to see what happens with medicare and medicaid. Already a tiny blimp there but if they go hard you're in revolution territory imo because most people cannot survive without that.
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Trump isnt a neoliberal. He loves tariffs.
 
decorativeed said:
I know that the majority of Americans did not vote for Trump, but I'll be fecked if I'm going to do even the tiniest bit to contribute to the US economy till it seriously changes its ways. In the meantime, I'm going to make a concerted effort to boycot all of its exports and services.
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But they did ! Trump won 77,284,118 votes, or 49.8 percent of the votes cast for president. That is the second highest vote total in U.S. history
 
NotChatGPT said:
I am however, slightly more concerned about what sort of access the likes of Musk, Google, Amazon, Meta and whatnot are getting behind closed doors.
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They'll be getting all the access they need to put in their new products. I've assumed for a while now that Musk was going to gut departments and artificially create the need to roll out his tech at speed.

It mildly terrifies me that it's not just Musk involved. It looks a lot like they all have a shared vision for the next decade and tech bro innovation at the societal level is going to be a disaster for everyday folk. Trump is just on for the ride I doubt he understands much of it.
 
Frosty said:
I think he is including non-voters. Trump got 31.6% of all voters to support him.
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Including non-voters is a bit of a pointless exercise. No US president ever got elected by a majority of all Americans. In most elections, "did not vote" would actually be the winner if it was a candidate.
 
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