The Trump Presidency - Part 2

No, no they didn't. The USA has a population of 340m or so people. 77m voted for Trump. Less than 1/4 of the populace.
A better way of looking at it is to use the number who are eligible to vote, that is around 245m
 
Stunning that there were "Pro Palestinian" people on here would would argue all day that Trump and Biden/Harris were two sides of the same coin.
To the people of Palestine, they might as well just be.
Previous USA govt literally changed the election results in pakistan, created a revolution (which resulted in a lot people dying) in Bangladesh. Trump is a bit more open or maybe even honest about it.
To be fair, I think the overthrown president of Bangladesh was a cnut.
Of course. Trump is pro climate change.
I've always despised this form of voting abstinence. People that let perfection getting in the way of good. You saw similar in the UK where people wouldn't vote because Labour wasn't left wing enough.
What’s the point in voting for a Labour Party that is further right than the Tories under David Cameron?

There literally was a nuclear deal and he ripped it up!
 
This is such a false equivalence. Joe Biden isn't just not perfect, he isn't good. In fact he is evil. And Kamala has supported publicly all his decisions, and from what I've heard of her before he even became VP he isn't really a great character.


I'm not a US citizen, but I'd never, never, never let anything or anyone to convince me for people that support and enable genocide. That's not good, that's just evil and SO FAR, nothing Trump has done is comparable with what Joe Biden's administration has done.

I'd never vote for Trump either, he is a reprehensible man without a single virtue. But if a friend told me he would vote for Trump because he is in fact lesser evil, I wouldn't have much to counter it.
I guess he's going to peacefully remove all the Palestinians from Gaza while building his hotels and golf courses there.
 
I guess he's going to peacefully remove all the Palestinians from Gaza while building his hotels and golf courses there.

No just tastefully take out a double page advert in the New York Times asking for them to be charged for crimes they didn't commit because of their ethnicity shortly before having them deported to the Ukrainian front line live on Fox News to the tune of the YMCA (irony still completely missed)
 
Reports that CIA is getting gutted.

Jesus christ. National Intelligence and National Security being gutted for Trumpism's is insanity.

Serious end-times.
 
I guess he's going to peacefully remove all the Palestinians from Gaza while building his hotels and golf courses there.

We'll see what happens but he's got a lot of dead children to ignore before he gets close to the number Biden presided over. It's sad but predictable to see how many suddenly are trying to gaslight what went on under Biden. There's absolutely nothing to suggest Israel wouldn't have ethnic cleansed Gaza under Biden, he let them cross over red line after red line and excused it away.

Now you all get to play politics and joke over an issue involving the actual murder and mutilation of little kids. Well done.
 
I'm not sure perfection getting in the way of good is much of an appropriate phrasing when 'good' here is the murder, starvation and ethnic cleaning of women and children.
When there are only two choices, the phrase is quite appropriate.
 
Reports that CIA is getting gutted.

Jesus christ. National Intelligence and National Security being gutted for Trumpism's is insanity.

Serious end-times.

That is US with the gloves off

Because was never the US with the gloves off. It is "corralito" 's Trump
 
No, again, They don;t want free trade. They want trade on their terms, that inevitably benefits the idividuals and organizations that they also benefit from.

Its not trade they dislike, its the idea of free trade. Neoliberals play with a marked deck, its the only way they can win. The rules are for others, and the idea of 'free' trade is an anethema to them.

Better say "people in power don't want free trade but trade on their terms. Then is your opinion with what people can agree or disagree but neo liberalism is a clear definition that might or not define people in power. In your opinion, people in power don't want free trade, therefore, they are not neo liberals
 
Reports that CIA is getting gutted.

Jesus christ. National Intelligence and National Security being gutted for Trumpism's is insanity.

Serious end-times.
There will definitely be some Republican push back against this. The only questions are how many, how much, & how far?
 
Doesn't Raoul work in State? Are they getting gutted too?


Ahahaaaaa! So you are a spook. fecking knew it!

Yeah, as far as I'm aware the entire ISH is being gutted, including the State department who he has mentioned worked against him and are in need of streamlining. He's also gutted and gutting the FBI from everyone involved in the searches, investigations and cases against him. To add to that those remaining are being given the task of holding those who worked against Trump accountable.

The irony and hypocrisy is genuinely on another level.
 
I've always despised this form of voting abstinence. People that let perfection getting in the way of good. You saw similar in the UK where people wouldn't vote because Labour wasn't left wing enough.
Perfection is relatively far from ‘enabling a genocide’. It is quite understandable people abstaining in the last election.

NB: Saw that you replied to a similar comment. I do not think that people should always vote for the lesser evil, especially when the lesser evil might be closer to the greater evil than to what the particular voter want. The Democratic Party essentially manipulated three primaries in a row, putting their wanted candidate in each. At some stage, people are right to say ‘feck them, our votes are not for granted’ and demand them choosing some candidates who offer more than ‘they are not as bad as Trump’.
 
You’re just making up your own definition, going against a well known consensus. No point discussing anything with someone who makes up their own understanding of things.
"Neoliberalism is whatever I dislike, and the more I dislike it the more neoliberal it is."
 
We'll see what happens but he's got a lot of dead children to ignore before he gets close to the number Biden presided over. It's sad but predictable to see how many suddenly are trying to gaslight what went on under Biden. There's absolutely nothing to suggest Israel wouldn't have ethnic cleansed Gaza under Biden, he let them cross over red line after red line and excused it away.

Now you all get to play politics and joke over an issue involving the actual murder and mutilation of little kids. Well done.

Oh absolutely get down of your high horse and do one.

You won’t find one comment from me on this forum defending the Biden Administration’s actions in Gaza.

Trump has been in the job 2 weeks and has publicly come out, with Netanyahu by his side and said he plans to remove the Palestinians from Gaza and turn the place into a resort.

Biden’s Administration oversaw and supported genocide. Trump has announced that he’ll finish the job.

So spare me the hysterics over a comment I made where my only suggestion was that Trump would be every bit as bad, if not worse than Biden.
 
They are gutting the FBI
They are gutting the intelligence community
I also heard a proposal to gut the TSA and hand back security screening to airlines

Hmm, wonder what could possibly go wrong :confused:
 
Sounds like it doesn’t matter you who vote for in the US, you will always end up with a pro Israel President/government.

The Israeli lobby have both sides of the house in their pockets.

Things won’t change on that front unless there is pressure from a united international community, or once future generations shun this ‘ironclad’ support for a settler colonial project.
 
There will definitely be some Republican push back against this. The only questions are how many, how much, & how far?
There are two GOP senators with a quarter of spine left, and one who holds a grudge against Trump (or probably against himself for allowing Trump to get re-elected). So not enough to make a difference.

Clowns like Cotton are all talk. He will fall on line.
 
Sounds like it doesn’t matter you who vote for in the US, you will always end up with a pro Israel President/government.

The Israeli lobby have both sides of the house in their pockets.

Things won’t change on that front unless there is pressure from a united international community, or once future generations shun this ‘ironclad’ support for a settler colonial project.
Are you just now realising this?
 
A fundamental of neoliberalism is free trade. Also a neoliberal wouldn't be trying to bring home jobs.

Trump wants to tax the rich by bringing back the corporations from tax havens like Ireland. He is a protectionist.

Also he spend to much in his first term. We will have to see if he cuts the budget this time.

https://www.cato.org/commentary/budget-deficits-are-only-getting-bigger-under-trump
No, again, They don;t want free trade. They want trade on their terms, that inevitably benefits the idividuals and organizations that they also benefit from.

Its not trade they dislike, its the idea of free trade. Neoliberals play with a marked deck, its the only way they can win. The rules are for others, and the idea of 'free' trade is an anethema to them.

thegregster is 100% correct.

What Trump is doing is not at all neoliberalism. It's neo-mercantilism as I have stated before and its a entire level worse than previous iterations of neoliberalism.

Neoliberalism is literally founded on the principle of trade liberalization (free trade), it's an integral core element of what distinguishes neoliberalism. USAID is actually a core department for a neoliberal and cutting it entirely goes squarely against neoliberal principles.

Trump's protectionism is neo-mercantilist. Shutting down government departments willy nilly doesn't make him a neoliberal. He's actually something much worse because we have historically examples of how mercantilism completely failed (see why England became a superpower while the Hapsburg Empire fell off the world stage economically).