The Trump Presidency | Biden Inaugurated

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barros said:
The media kept saying the Trump supporters are the bad guys and we can see they got the wrong as well.
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I don't know if I'm merely trying to come to terms with upcoming trump presidency, but all these violent post-election riots by the supposed "tolerant, progressive liberals" is reinforcing my opinion that they really are on the wrong side of history right now.
 
Raoul said:
The fact that he did so well with women and Latinos proves that all the hoopla about his "racist, misogynist, xenophobic....statements etc" wasn't actually a big factor against him since those were the groups that actually helped elect him.
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If anything white voters in the Rustbelt won him the election.
 
Cheesy said:
In what way is it 'tabloid phenomenon' when they are reporting on words that have been directly said by the man himself? He's said degrading things about women, including groping them - this could be indicative of his and his parties attitude to women during his Presidency. That's important.

He's made derogatory comments about Muslims, Mexicans, and accused the black President of being non-American born, presumably on no other basis than the colour of his skin. Thus, that could affect policy towards minorities. That's important.

If Trump can come up with consistent, workable policies that he looks like he might even think about sticking to, then they'll be discussed. They are being discussed, too: his plan to build a wall continues to receive rightful scrutiny.

Trump may be President-elect but the stances towards his bigotry and hatred should not be reduced compared to what it was pre-election - he remains the man he was then, and it should be the duty of the American press to hold him to account for his actions.
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All that stuff has already been publicized and Trump's poll numbers at the time, took a big hit - first with the Khan family, next with the Access Hollywood tape. What is the point on continuing to fixate on all of that after the fact. Whether we like it or not, he has been elected and its time to move on.
 
Ubik said:
And the policies were...racist.

But no, let's forget about all that now.
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Yeah, that's the part that really concerns me in the sudden attitude shift. Trump won not because of the popular vote but because of an outdated electoral system.

The majority of Americans did not vote for this man to be his President, and it should not be the case wherein his views are suddenly normalised because it's more convenient for governance. It worries me that in two or three years minorities will be getting treated dreadfully and suddenly the positions we hold now will no longer be the norm.

People may scoff at the Nazi Germany parallels but they undoubtedly hold relevance: the new government-elect are trying to shift the paradigm, and there should be resistance to this.
 
Winrar said:
I don't know if I'm merely trying to come to terms with upcoming trump presidency, but all these violent post-election riots by the supposed "tolerant, progressive liberals" is reinforcing my opinion that they really are on the wrong side of history right now.
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Writing off protests as "riots" is something they have been doing for a very long time.
 
Raoul said:
He won white women, which is the biggest demographic in the US. You'd think his sexism as portrayed by media, would've easily lost him the election. The people clearly disagreed.
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I said it before, chicks dig a guy with deep pockets.
 
Keeps It tidy said:
If anything white voters in the Rustbelt won him the election.
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Pretty much. They were dissatisfied with those in charge and wanted a change. Clinton lost counties in there that went to Obama. She looks to have converted some votes to her or increased turnout among Latinos to herself but lost the white vote in the electoral college states.
 
Raoul said:
All that stuff has already been publicized and Trump's poll numbers at the time, took a big hit - first with the Khan family, next with the Access Hollywood tape. What is the point on continuing to fixate on all of that after the fact. Whether we like it or not, he has been elected and its time to move on.
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I feel like using polls as a source of reliability might not be the best measure, though.

And again, there remains a duty from the press to hold this man to the person he is. He has won the election but populism should not be used as an excuse for the oppression of those it undermines. Trump's attitude and outright policies have shown him to demean women, Muslims (all), Mexicans (most if not all). It's the duty of the American media to hold him to account for this and to not let down the minority groups who could quite genuinely be subject to some pretty horrible stuff in the future.
 
Keeps It tidy said:
Writing off protests as "riots" is something they have been doing for a very long time.
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breaking properties, beating up people, writing graffitis saying "black power" and "feck white people", holding up signs encouraging raping someone, are not protesting.
 
Cal? said:
Most of the illegals in the US are people who went into the country legally (mostly by plane) then proceeded to overstay. A wall is not going to stop people from flying into the country.
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Not true, most of the illegals crossed the Mexican border and if Trump really wants to stop illegals to come to this country then just fine anybody who gives a job to an illegal.
 
Raoul said:
He won white women, which is the biggest demographic in the US. You'd think his sexism as portrayed by media, would've easily lost him the election. The people clearly disagreed.
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Just because white woman voted for him does not mean he is suddenly not a sexist. And it could just mean this election white woman prioritized race over sex this election. Plus Republicans usually win the White woman vote.
 
Cheesy said:
Yeah, that's the part that really concerns me in the sudden attitude shift. Trump won not because of the popular vote but because of an outdated electoral system.

The majority of Americans did not vote for this man to be his President, and it should not be the case wherein his views are suddenly normalised because it's more convenient for governance. It worries me that in two or three years minorities will be getting treated dreadfully and suddenly the positions we hold now will no longer be the norm.

People may scoff at the Nazi Germany parallels but they undoubtedly hold relevance: the new government-elect are trying to shift the paradigm, and there should be resistance to this.
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I've wondered in the past how authoritarian regimes managed to push stuff through without public backlash, and how it was normalised and a sense of apologism crept in. Beginning to see how.
 
Cheesy said:
I feel like using polls as a source of reliability might not be the best measure, though.

And again, there remains a duty from the press to hold this man to the person he is. He has won the election but populism should not be used as an excuse for the oppression of those it undermines. Trump's attitude and outright policies have shown him to demean women, Muslims (all), Mexicans (most if not all). It's the duty of the American media to hold him to account for this and to not let down the minority groups who could quite genuinely be subject to some pretty horrible stuff in the future.
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That's not the role of the press. Their role is to cover the news without going off the editorial deep end. Its then up to the people to decide what type of person he is, and in the case of the election, they did.
 
Cheesy said:
I feel like using polls as a source of reliability might not be the best measure, though.

And again, there remains a duty from the press to hold this man to the person he is. He has won the election but populism should not be used as an excuse for the oppression of those it undermines. Trump's attitude and outright policies have shown him to demean women, Muslims (all), Mexicans (most if not all). It's the duty of the American media to hold him to account for this and to not let down the minority groups who could quite genuinely be subject to some pretty horrible stuff in the future.
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He likes women, but it's mostly a chauvinist appreciation, which could be bad. Muslims, yeah they're fecked but with Mexicans I got the feeling that it was only the illegals he was referring to. If you're a Mexican-American there's nothing to worry about. Work hard, pay your taxes. Pity it's not the same for Muslim-Americans.
 
Keeps It tidy said:
Just because white woman voted for him does not mean he is suddenly not a sexist. And it could just mean this election white woman prioritized race over sex this election. Plus Republicans usually win the White woman vote.
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I'd imagine that if a majority of the biggest female demographic voted for Trump, they probably didn't think he was the flaming sexist he is portrayed as. In fact, they probably care more about economics, the cost of living, wages etc than the latest tabloid shitstorm being flogged by the media.
 
Ubik said:
I've wondered in the past how authoritarian regimes managed to push stuff through without public backlash, and how it was normalised and a sense of apologism crept in. Beginning to see how.
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Luckily I think social media is too powerful now for a lot of actions to go unchecked and unnoticed, and if Trump oversteps his mark then many will revolt/strike back in some form, but the sudden acceptance from him of people who (presumably, I don't know), won't be on the receiving end of many of his policies is concerning.
 
Raoul said:
I'd imagine that if a majority of the biggest female demographic voted for Trump, they probably didn't think he was the flaming sexist he is portrayed as. In fact, they probably care more about economics, the cost of living, wages etc than the latest tabloid shitstorm being flogged by the media.
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Which is something Trump rarely talked about.
 
Keeps It tidy said:
Which is something Trump rarely talked about.
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No arguments there. He should've talked about policy a lot more than he did and conversely the media should've pushed him on specifics more than play the race/gender/immigration angle for 15 months.
 
Raoul said:
That's not the role of the press. Their role is to cover the news without going off the editorial deep end. Its then up to the people to decide what type of person he is, and in the case of the election, they did.
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They did - Trump finished 2nd and only won on the basis of a daft electoral system. The will of majority may rule by there also must come a point when it is recognised that this does not give voters/politicians a mandate to suppress and oppress those who did not vote for them, or who will be on the receiving end of negative policies. Any decision/policy Trump floats should come under scrutiny partly on the basis of the power-abusing, sexist, bigot he is.
 
Cheesy said:
Luckily I think social media is too powerful now for a lot of actions to go unchecked and unnoticed, and if Trump oversteps his mark then many will revolt/strike back in some form, but the sudden acceptance from him of people who (presumably, I don't know), won't be on the receiving end of many of his policies is concerning.
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The fact that so many in the media and in politics are rushing to normalize this shows why the protests are necessary.
 
Cheesy said:
They did - Trump finished 2nd and only won on the basis of a daft electoral system. The will of majority may rule by there also must come a point when it is recognised that this does not give voters/politicians a mandate to suppress and oppress those who did not vote for them, or who will be on the receiving end of negative policies. Any decision/policy Trump floats should come under scrutiny partly on the basis of the power-abusing, sexist, bigot he is.
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Those are the rules that both parties as well as all the voters knew and accepted going into the election.
 
Keeps It tidy said:
The fact that so many in the media and in politics are rushing to normalize this shows why the protests are necessary.
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What some may consider normalization is merely the act of governing and doing the people's business, which is the expectation after every single election.
 
Winrar said:
breaking properties, beating up people, writing graffitis saying "black power" and "feck white people", holding up signs encouraging raping someone, are not protesting.
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By that very notion, then Trump rallies were hardly a beacon for peace and a demonstration in democracy.

Keeps It tidy said:
Just because white woman voted for him does not mean he is suddenly not a sexist. And it could just mean this election white woman prioritized race over sex this election. Plus Republicans usually win the White woman vote.
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This is true.
 
Perhaps when Trump has set in stone policies and is capable of discussing policy then they can discuss policy questions? As far as the sexist/racist questioning. This is not history, it is last (perhaps this) fecking week! He deserves all the questions he's getting and then some.
 
Raoul said:
Those are the rules that both parties as well as all the voters knew and accepted going into the election.
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So if 53% (or whatever it was) of white women are okay to vote in someone who believes groping them is okay, then the others should be forced to accept this man as their President, with his known attitude to women, because of the will of the majority, and the newspapers should therefore not report this? The fact he's won does not make his previous sexism any less blatant or acceptable.

Or take his climate attitudes, for example. He has said on record that he intends to cancel the Paris Agreement - this should not be seen as in any way acceptable or normal by anyone within the media because it could have devastating effects not just for the US, but for everyone. Again, Trump winning the election should not mean his comments on the matter are accepted, or are not challenged. The media should hold politicians to account when they lie and should continue to do so.
 
Fingeredmouse said:
You need to be a standing Member of Parliament (MP) and then be elected as party leader (and those rules vary between political parties) and then that party be in government. Technically, you could get elected as an MP specifically to become PM, however it'd be pretty unlikely and it is hard to conceive it could ever happen, not least because you'd be up against the political ambitions of the members of the party you were joining.
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Only because you guys dont have a president and is the prime minister the head of the government but if you go to France or another country then anybody could be the president.
 
Farage on radio asking why he is not allowed to be Trumps lap dog. And having a go at the Tories.
 
Grinner said:
By that measure you could say that Trump rallies were riots.
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violence at trump rallies were staged.



now of course some are going to question the veracity of the video and call me a tinfoil hat conspiracy theorist, but knowing all the shady stuff DNC did to disproportionately promote/help hillary as shown by wikileaks, I won't be one bit surprised if it's true.
 
Cheesy said:
So if 53% (or whatever it was) of white women are okay to vote in someone who believes groping them is okay, then the others should be forced to accept this man as their President, with his known attitude to women, because of the will of the majority, and the newspapers should therefore not report this? The fact he's won does not make his previous sexism any less blatant or acceptable.

Or take his climate attitudes, for example. He has said on record that he intends to cancel the Paris Agreement - this should not be seen as in any way acceptable or normal by anyone within the media because it could have devastating effects not just for the US, but for everyone. Again, Trump winning the election should not mean his comments on the matter are accepted, or are not challenged. The media should hold politicians to account when they lie and should continue to do so.
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Well yes, there was an election and Trump won the electoral college. Its completely fine to criticize him on specific policy issues (like Climate change etc).
 
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