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You really couldn’t make this shit up. Does he know literally ANYTHING about history? 
"And we built the Pyramids, with real American slaves who weren't Americans!"
I mean he's trying to paint this picture of the regular American being under attack from the "radical left"/"Antifa". Be it via thought police (e.g. changing things that have "always been that way", "today they are coming for the sports teams, tomorrow they will take away YOUR FREEDOM!") or "socialist" taxes/regulations. At the moment his disapproval rating is closing in on an all-time high, but Americans have always been quick to forget what he's done or stop caring about it, so that could turn around by next news cycle. I wouldn't be surprised if it works, all he needs is the right headline at the right moment, to create some fear about this issue among voters or Biden's campaign imploding.
Because he is a cnut?
@afrocentricity Are you talking to yourself
@afrocentricity Are you talking to yourself
I love a good self-reply.
Wasn't Bell Scottish?
" and one day soon, we will plant our flag on the Sun!"
The confederate flag.I still don't think it's a given that Trump will be out of office come November. Too many variables, a lot can happen....
It's not a given, but he's in deep shit polling wise right now.
Diehard republicans are still gonna turn out when push comes to shove, there will still be social engineering via social media with or without Russia (most likely with). His base will remain loyal. He'll try to use any underhanded means available (voter suppression for example) to him, that is a given... and Americans and people in general are quick to forget once something else takes over the narrative.
I think people should act on the assumption that it's a 50/50 race and act accordingly. O complacency, no counting chickens, maximum vigilance...
I think people should act on the assumption that it's a 50/50 race and act accordingly. O complacency, no counting chickens, maximum vigilance...
Everything alright Afro?
By November you can probably add a couple of hundred thousand more dead to the Covid bill too. You're 100% right about the need to not succumb to complacency, but a lot of Trump's chickens are coming home to roost at the moment.
I don't know... I think soEverything alright Afro?
I don't know... I think so
He NEEDS to keep his base. He needs them engaged and energized till November because he knows it's all he has at this point.
They are really pushing all his buttons.
That is savage.
That whispering is preposterously annoying. Bizarre choice IMO, but I guess I'm not the target.
Can any resident Americans explain why this confederate statue/names have this much resistance? Prima Facie, these are generals who opposed Union (what is now USA). If these people had won, there would not be USA now, right? I see this as history before USA and history of USA. Any information is welcome!
The union sold the surrender to the confederate states as a compromise rather than a defeat to avoid completely tearing the country apart. The terms of the agreement was that the confederate states could keep their "values", which in the view of the union were empty value like statues and monuments for the confederate generals and soldiers if they agreed to join the union.
It’s a long story, but one aspect was a revisionism post Civil War in order to give Southerners back their ‘dignity’. If you grew up around the South in the past few decades, you could be forgiven for thinking that Robert E Lee was one of the most honorable and brilliant generals ever and Grant was a useless drunk. None of those things are true, but good luck convincing a Southerner of that.
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A lot of the monuments were installed long after the war ended.
The monuments are to tell the south that they were better than they really were.
'The older we get, the better we were' kind of thing?
The monuments are to tell the south that they were better than they really were.
'The older we get, the better we were' kind of thing?
American politics are so fecking daft. Im trying to imagine our political parties behaving like this. It would be shocking.
Well apart from Forum voor Democratie doing it, but they're a bunch of alt right morons.
The Union is the USA. “Union” is just a nickname. Also, for what it’s worth, the Confederacy was never a legitimate country. It was never diplomatically recognized by a foreign state nor did it win its war for independence. All it ever was was a bunch of folks committing treason.
The resistance comes from, as @nimic and @Organic Potatoes said, the Lost Cause movement that successfully rewrote the history of the Confederacy and dominated southern history books for a century. Facts like how the CSA Constitution prohibited Confederate states from having the power to abolish slavery and how several Confederate secession conventions published “causation letters” attributing secession to the protection of slavery are blatantly omitted. Other propaganda also rampant in the Lost Cause movement is focused on absolving the Confederates of treason by pushing the message that the folks who did things like resign their commission in the US Army to join the Confederacy did not see their actions as treason because they viewed loyalty as to their state, not their country.
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This times 1 billion. When I moved to Alabama from Cali I was blown away with how different "history" was viewed down there. That's not to say that what I was taught in Cali was not whitewashed as hell, but what I experienced and heard down there was a whole different level of revisionism.
Thanks @nimic and others. Very informative.
Treason would be supporting confederacy now. Back then, till they surrendered it was just war and you can't accuse a war opponent for treason. The racism angle aside, these Generals didn't believe in USA, so it's strange people can still wave the US flag and then support people who didn't want US in first place.
Treason would be supporting confederacy now. Back then, till they surrendered it was just war and you can't accuse a war opponent for treason. The racism angle aside, these Generals didn't believe in USA, so it's strange people can still wave the US flag and then support people who didn't want US in first place.
Sort of, but sort of not. As far as the USA was concerned it was not possible for states to leave the Union, and so it was a treasonous rebellion rather than a war between states.
Bud, you literally just repeated to me Lost Cause propaganda.
They were citizens of the United States who waged an armed rebellion against the United States. That’s exactly what treason is.
Gotcha. Understand it better now.
Yeah, misunderstood the secession part a bit there.
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