The Trump Presidency | Biden Inaugurated
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Still glad he beat Hillary to be totally honest.
I hoped it would be the kick in the ass the democrats needed to start actually trying to appeal to the needs of voters instead of their donors but they've just gone down the same paths unfortunately. The two party system is destroying that country as both sides are completely corrupt.
Bernie is the only hope to try and push them back towards some sort of decency but I'm sure the DNC will pull every dirty trick in the book to stop him from winning the primary.
I hoped it would be the kick in the ass the democrats needed to start actually trying to appeal to the needs of voters instead of their donors but they've just gone down the same paths unfortunately. The two party system is destroying that country as both sides are completely corrupt.
Bernie is the only hope to try and push them back towards some sort of decency but I'm sure the DNC will pull every dirty trick in the book to stop him from winning the primary.
Very naive point of view. Trump’s victory might wake the population up a bit but it’s also resulted in a fundamental breakdown of American democracy in exactly the way Bannon had hoped it would.
So while people might be a little more woke and aware of Republican bullshit, it might all be for nothing when they’ve used these four years to pack the courts with right wing judges who facilitate their voter suppression and ensure that politics can continue to be owned by the rich and masked by shell companies.
Democrats have a hell of a lot of faults, the two party system is absolutely bananas when you think that it means Bernie (an independent by heart), AOC and Omar find themselves in the same party as Pelosi, Schumer and Biden.
The way I view American politics is that you have the Democrat party which itself is like some sort of encapsulation of an actual multi-party democracy and the normal political spectrum exists within. Then you have Republicans, which is essentially a mafia organisation which has absolutely no interest in politics or government and exist purely to advance their own interests and the interests of anyone who has enough money to bribe them.
If I was American I’d suck it up and play the long game by voting for Democrats to stay in power and then campaign to the democrats to carry out progressive policies.
Protest politics only has one winner in America, it divides the left and the right capitalise on it.
One hour is not enough ,You need to make it into a mini series.
It's been a long time since the democrats really wanted to do anything progressive. We can all see the type of candidates they put their weight behind and the ones they try to smear/ignore. Americans are generally in agreement on what they want when it comes to the main policy items. The democrats could walk every election if they campaigned along those lines. But let's face it, the establishment democrats want to maintain inequality and class differences.
I genuinely don't believe the Americans would gain anything much by electing a Biden or a Buttigieg. It would just be another 4 years of the same for the average working class American. 4 more wasted years. They only way the people win is through waking people up to the rot within the party and getting them to actually vote in their own interests for once. Otherwise it's just like watching football. Your team might win and you will enjoy that but it won't make your health or finances any more secure.
Those are some extremely naive views of American politics.
And I think people are underestimating what a huge impact the Republican's packing of lower courts with hardcore conservative judges makes and will make for a very very long time.
That's twice I've been called naive for wanting better for the American people than another corporate democrat. "No we can't" etc. The usual.
Bernie is currently the only Democrat that would beat Trump according to the polls.
I didn't mean "no we can't" and wanting better for American people is naive. I meant that was naive because thats not how american politics works. Majority of the voting population are not informed, about half that get any information are misinformed (FOX news, right wing media etc), deep-rooted partisanship, etc etc means people won't vote in their self interest (unknowingly and sometimes knowingly which is frightening). If everything or even half of the things in american politics were fair, someone like Bernie would win everytime by a landslide.
Bernie is polling better than Trump because his policies match what the average American wants. That's democracy. The people voting for what they want. The Democrats could just try and serve the people by pursuing these policies and they would win. They don't though so they have to play politics and deception. For every FOX news there's a CNN and MSNBC. It's basically two parties trying to sell options that don't serve the voters.
Obama said himself he'd be viewed as a moderate republican in the 80's. That says it all. really. The only way the people actually win is by ensuring Bernie wins the primary.
Because it is very naive to think that American politics is in any shape whatsoever for a progressive candidate to come in and sweep through with some hugely socialist platform. I'd love to see nothing more but it's not going to happen with one President over two terms.
Progressives need to work harder to infiltrate the Democrat party and have a big influence on their direction rather than creating these huge protests that work against their own interests in the long term. There is a reason why Russian bots are infiltrating so many left wing movements, it's because they know they influence the narrative and make sure that progressives direct their anger at the Democrats "who should do more" rather than the Republican's who "can't be expected to do anything" which in the long run just ends up with them being stuck with the Republicans who they expect to do nothing for them.
They need to follow the right wing game book where they infiltrated the Republican party and have played a long game of moving politics to the right over 20+ years.
With Republican's in power, you have zero chance of achieving anything. Get the Democrats in power and keep them in power and then while they are in power campaign hard for them to carry out progressive policies.
I actually find this pretty naive and completely short of what's required. But I know your heart is in the right place.
Watching the u18s so I'll leave this discussion for now.
thats a very important but understated point, and people just say you are going for the "no we can't" view if you make that point. Progressives need to think not only about the long term policies but also about the long term politics that can help them to implement those policies.
Whatever you do don't strike now when the establishment democrats can't even find a decent candidate. Let them re-consolidate power and ensure it never happens. Biden, Buttigieg etc will not beat Trump. The most likely candidate to do it is Bernie right now but the Dems and MSM have people too fecking brainwashed to realise it. Sad.
I'm not sure you're getting what we're saying. Just having a progressive president won't help when majority of the democratic caucas is center/center-left. President Bernie won't be able to implement all his policies through EOs. Unfortunately, when Bernie is president, lots of his policies will have to to pass through the congress filled with 90% ultra-conservatives and centrists at this moment. That's why we're saying progressives need to play the politics as well to at least get a good portion to a majority in the dem caucas. At least, I think progressives have started to do that in the last couple of years, but I don't think its quite as intensive and extensive as I would like to see.
Biden would beat Donald, by a larger margin than Bernie. It’s the only reason he’s relevant.
Not quite. Biden polls better versus Trump than Sanders does. But head-to-head polling is essentially worthless at this point anyway.
And no point in crying about Bernie if he doesn't come through in a Democratic primary. You can only hide behind the 'Corporate Media' and 'DNC' for so long, unless you are Red Dreams writing haikus on redcafe
@SteveW America is a right wing country if you look at the landscape conpared to European countries. There isn't a socialist/leftwing revolution waiting to take place. As depressing as it is, the progressive arm of the Democratic party is still the minority.
I have major doubts over Biden. He's showing obvious signs of cognitive decline. Just watching him speak these days is hugely difficult. I can't imagine him on a debate stage with Trump.
Very true. But a Bernie nomination would actually give him a long form platform to start changing that. When polled on the issues the American people show that they actually do want the things he offers. M4A, gun control, climate regulation, fewer wars, reduced corporate corruption etc. The establishment politicians have just never actually put it on the table as an option.
When placed on the table as a viable option I think people would vote in their own interests.
People have be n voting against their own interests for the last century, they’re not going to stop now. Look at us here in the UK, we’re going to vote in another Tory majority government despite the fact the last three have fecked things up royally over the last 9 years and have managed to prove exactly what a disaster Brexit will be long before it actually happens. But yeah, we’re all over that again apparently.
Because the narrative is controlled by the ultra rich and their friends who own the media. Decentralisation of media ie youtube, podcasts etc are the first viable opportunity to change the message. But yeah it's happening very fecking slowly if at all. The same dirty tricks are working just as well as always sadly. The situation in the UK is depressing.
They might like those things but too many Americans are single issue voters and those issues tend to be right wing issues.
A voter could like all those things but will never vote for Sanders cause of abortion for example.
Ex-Trump Voter: Voting For Him In 2020 Would Be DISASTROUS
These are the people that Dems need to reach. Voted twice for Obama ,but voted for Trump because they fell for that Trump tower ,Apprentice business man con.
These are the people that Dems need to reach. Voted twice for Obama ,but voted for Trump because they fell for that Trump tower ,Apprentice business man con.
Sanders doesn't know anyone that reads.
Only saying because if Trump loses she's out of a job.
How the hell does anybody know how much people read?
Must be like primary school where they have a big board with the number of books they have read on it. Trump is only winning through a mix of cheating, and mistaking all the press briefs he is meant to be saying as fiction books.
Reading social media comments and fox news tickers doesn't really count as reading.
Classy
He Huff's and Puffs and blows the house down.
This is what happens when you give morons a voice.
Or a gun
WTFSurprised it isn't Drago.
Is he really working towards that insanity excuse?
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