The Trump Presidency | Biden Inaugurated

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Nail on the head.

You can't measure Bush vs Trump at this point in time. You can only begin to imagine the Trump response to 9/11 with him at the helm.
I fear he would've bragged about Trump Tower still being erect, or the plane-proof safety of his hotels. I only wish I was being sarcastic.
 
I fear he would've bragged about Trump Tower still being erect, or the plane-proof safety of his hotels. I only wish I was being sarcastic.

Christ, that Trump Tower point is spot on. It's absolutely something he'd do.
 


Just when you thought that things couldn't get more absurd................

Too clean air. FFS, seriously? cnuts the lot of em.


He is trying to imply that it's expensive to keep air this good a quality. Along this line, its expensive for the gov't to keep people too healthy.
Its all about cut-backs on budgets and regulations. One to save money and the other to make mo' money.
Lives are just matrices.
 
Ah yes, the value of his property going up after the attacks really gave him a boner. I'm old enough to remember.

Lol he doesn't even think that deep. See my comment just above this one. He was happy because he had the biggest toy again.
 
The very same mainstream media outlets which attack Trump day-in, day-out for 'fake news' were the same ones publishing 'Iraq has WMDs' fifteen years ago. We know that much for certain. Everything else is pure conjecture.
So the mainstream media shouldn't mention that Trump lies compulsively and obviously because they were once fed a story that was wrong by the US government?

You do realise that he just makes things up on the fly don't you? Lies so obvious it would be laughable if he weren't the President of the US.
 


Oh... my.... fecking..,... god..... Here he goes...



He should have said, 'ninjas'. I believe he thinks that they can jump from mountains to mountains, bamboo forest to bamboo forest without ever touching (and not in the Harvey sense of the word) the ground.
 
Jesus. the Iraq war is far worse than anything Trump has done

So far. So far.

At least Bush did it because he was a thicky who got bad advice from right wing nutjobs. Trump is just insane/evil/racist/sexist in a bizarre combination that scares the feck out of me. This fecker could launch a nuclear holocaust FFS.
 
How is air "too clean" and wtf does that even mean? like are we now allowed to go around spraying Aerosol cans in the air just for pure heck of it?

Everyone knows lead poisoning is actually good for you, same with fumes and pollution from coal power plants. Maybe they should just rename the EPA to the EDA? Seems more appropriate tbh.

I can't believe what I'm reading in this thread. Honestly.

That's a pretty big strawman you are building there pal. No one is actually celebrating Iraq and Afghanistan as some great accomplishment. Bush was a war mongering POS with his head far up Lockheed Martin's arse, but those were pretty exceptional circumstances and Saddam/Al Qaeda where hardly benignant rulers. Of course it's all hypothetical, but how do you think things would go down if ISIS carried out a similar attack today?
 
That's a pretty big strawman you are building there pal. No one is actually celebrating Iraq and Afghanistan as some great accomplishment. Bush was a war mongering POS with his head far up Lockheed Martin's arse, but those were pretty exceptional circumstances and Saddam/Al Qaeda where hardly benignant rulers. Of course it's all hypothetical, but how do you think things would go down if ISIS carried out a similar attack today?

Re: your first bolded point, it's actually not. There are posters here said they'd 'kill' for eight years of Bush again in the place of Trump. How mental in the head would you have to be to think like that? Both Bushes presided over the preeminent wars of their respective generations, resulting in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people and the displacement of countless more.

Re: your second point, I have no doubt Trump's response to a terrorist attack of such magnitude would be similarly swift and large-scale. However, I'm unsure if he'd change tack midway through Afghanistan, for example, claim bin Laden and Saddam were forming an alliance and force through a paramount-to-illegal invasion of Iraq simply because he fancied it or his oil buddies fancied more lucrative oil fields to make billions from. If we are to make that claim against Trump, it's simply hypothetical and pure conjecture. You can't compare actual evidence of immorality/criminality (Bush) to speculation in your head (Trump) and expect everybody to accept it. That's plain daft.
 
However, I'm unsure if he'd change tack midway through Afghanistan, for example, claim bin Laden and Saddam were forming an alliance and force through a paramount-to-illegal invasion of Iraq simply because he fancied it or his oil buddies fancied more lucrative oil fields to make billions from.
 
However, I'm unsure if he'd change tack midway through Afghanistan, for example, claim bin Laden and Saddam were forming an alliance and force through a paramount-to-illegal invasion of Iraq simply because he fancied it or his oil buddies fancied more lucrative oil fields to make billions from.

Not going to get involved in this apart from to say that Trump is constantly doing paramount-to-illegal things to make money all of the time even this early in his presidency. If you don't see that, then you're being incredibly naive or wilfully ignorant.
 
Re: your first bolded point, it's actually not. There are posters here said they'd 'kill' for eight years of Bush again in the place of Trump. How mental in the head would you have to be to think like that? Both Bushes presided over the preeminent wars of their respective generations, resulting in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people and the displacement of countless more.

Re: your second point, I have no doubt Trump's response to a terrorist attack of such magnitude would be similarly swift and large-scale. However, I'm unsure if he'd change tack midway through Afghanistan, for example, claim bin Laden and Saddam were forming an alliance and force through a paramount-to-illegal invasion of Iraq simply because he fancied it or his oil buddies fancied more lucrative oil fields to make billions from. If we are to make that claim against Trump, it's simply hypothetical and pure conjecture. You can't compare actual evidence of immorality/criminality (Bush) to speculation in your head (Trump) and expect everybody to accept it. That's plain daft.

You make it sound like Bush is solely responsible for what happened, which is unfair imo. And yes its pure conjecture here, but you said yourself, Trump would probably have a similar response. FDR brought the US into a huge war, while Nixon ended a pointless one, does it mean the latter was a better president?

I can't believe i am defending fecking Bush here, but Trump has been in office under a year and it's been one scandal after the other.
 
I think some of you are getting a bit carried away. Preferences of Bush Presidents over Trump? C'mon. I mean. C'mon ffs. I'm actually not sure what I have against Bush Sr. in particular War-wise. Didn't Iraq invade Kuwait first? As far as protecting the US interest and the rest of us goes he did at least wait for Iraq to start something. But Bush Jr. invented a complete fallacy about WMD and revenge for 9/11 when let's be honest if any one country really needed 'punishing' for funding, training and arming terrorists and in particular - as far as we know - AQ, it would have been Saudi. Of course, we couldn't go to war with Saudi because we sell too many arms to them but the war was close, in the same region. Don't get caught up in the Bush Revisionism. Totally different set is all.
 
That's a remarkable drop: 42% down to 4.5%.
That's the 1st time I've seen him use the % measured by the Govmnt. Normally he talks about the % drop, not the number itself. He's changed his mind on how the unemployment numbers are measured!
He should be taken to task for that. Never let the fecker get away his lies.
Because the numbers favour him now. He is a sneaky fecker.
 
Not going to get involved in this apart from to say that Trump is constantly doing paramount-to-illegal things to make money all of the time even this early in his presidency. If you don't see that, then you're being incredibly naive or wilfully ignorant.

I'm sure he is but are his actions leading to the deaths of 500,000+, a completely failed state and civil war afterwards? To use the mainstream media's favourite buzzword of 2016, that's a false equivalence.
 
I think some of you are getting a bit carried away. Preferences of Bush Presidents over Trump? C'mon. I mean. C'mon ffs. I'm actually not sure what I have against Bush Sr. in particular War-wise. Didn't Iraq invade Kuwait first? As far as protecting the US interest and the rest of us goes he did at least wait for Iraq to start something. But Bush Jr. invented a complete fallacy about WMD and revenge for 9/11 when let's be honest if any one country really needed 'punishing' for funding, training and arming terrorists and in particular - as far as we know - AQ, it would have been Saudi. Of course, we couldn't go to war with Saudi because we sell too many arms to them but the war was close, in the same region. Don't get caught up in the Bush Revisionism. Totally different set is all.

Agreed.
 
I'm sure he is but are his actions leading to the deaths of 500,000+, a completely failed state and civil war afterwards? To use the mainstream media's favourite buzzword of 2016, that's a false equivalence.

He's been trying to push through a Healthcare Bill that will see 24 million people lose their coverage. It's fair to estimate the death toll from that over the next decade would dwarf 500,000.

Why does he want to do this? Partly to burn Obama's heritage to the ground but also to give himself and his mega rich buddies trillions of dollar tax cuts.

If he's allowed to push through his agenda, a completely failed state isn't impossible and I wouldn't be surprised if it lead to a civil war years down the line.
 
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