Television The Traitors (BBC) | Series 3 now airing. If you watch episodes on the iPlayer that haven't aired on the BBC television, put discussion in spoilers

hobbers said:
The endgame for Jake, Leanne and Alexander couldnt be easier. The recruitment+seer makes the final 5 such an uncompelling non-event.

Easy to work out there can only be 1 traitor left. They will know 1 of Charlotte and Francesca is the traitor with 100% certainty. All they have to do is vote both of them off and the win is guaranteed.

Then it's just a question if the 3 of them can share, or if Leanne decides to feck over one of the guys (prediction: she will do).
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Yeah I don't see how it plays out any other way now, in truth the check at this time has just ruined it for the traitors. If there's two traitors in they can spin it perhaps but Charlotte has no chance.

Almost feel for Francesca as for once she made a more deductive choice and it's cost her. None of them seemed to consider it was a poisoned chalice getting that check and that you might not want to be the one in power. I don't think she'll see it coming.

It also makes no sense for 3 people to share as you may as well reduce the risk down to one other person. I do think Jake and Alexander may force a fair split though and if Leanne forces it they'll vote against her.
 
Charlotte needs to make it very clear that she will go all guns blazing on Frankie if she outs her, and that she has more sway with the others. She needs to plant that seed of doubt because her only (very slim) way out here is if Frankie keeps the truth to herself for another round.

Realistically that's the only way Frankie survives here too, so Charlotte needs to be quick enough to highlight it in the private room. Then she needs to turn the screw on Alexander to isolate Frankie before the "truth" comes out.

Realistically it's too late for both of them now - Jake and Leanne will walk it from here. There's been far too much interference in this season and it's been a much worse watch for it.
 
diarm said:
Charlotte needs to make it very clear that she will go all guns blazing on Frankie if she outs her, and that she has more sway with the others. She needs to plant that seed of doubt because her only (very slim) way out here is if Frankie keeps the truth to herself for another round.

Realistically that's the only way Frankie survives here too, so Charlotte needs to be quick enough to highlight it in the private room. Then she needs to turn the screw on Alexander to isolate Frankie before the "truth" comes out.

Realistically it's too late for both of them now - Jake and Leanne will walk it from here. There's been far too much interference in this season and it's been a much worse watch for it.
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I don't see how not saying anything is going to help her. It'll just be viewed as incredibly suspicious and definitely vote them both off.
I think she has to tell them straight and hope they only banish Charlotte. Her picking Charlotte has turned out bad for both of them.
 
sebsheep said:
I don't see how not saying anything is going to help her. It'll just be viewed as incredibly suspicious and definitely vote them both off.
I think she has to tell them straight and hope they only banish Charlotte. Her picking Charlotte has turned out bad for both of them.
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I think she has to say Charlotte is a faithful to the group, then tell Alexander in confidence so they can try to banish at least one of Leanne or Jake before turning on Charlotte. Obviously Charlotte is going to be working with the other two to try and do the opposite, but it'll be trickier for her to sell Frankie as a traitor after this seer business, especially when she's not sure when Frankie will come clean.

There's no feasible way Frankie makes it to the end by publicly outing Charlotte from the off.
 
If they didn’t do half the stuff people are moaning about it would have been a pretty boring season, which it was until these last few episodes aside from Linda being a maniac. Charlotte coming in to the fray has been great, Freddie being made traitor turned out to be highly comical, and the seer has turned it on its head when it was looking cut and dry meaning we’ll at least be assured of some kind of drama in this last episode.
 
Found out that I know Joe's brother and had to pretend I didn't hate him today :lol:

A bit perturbing as in retrospect they have the exact same mannerisms.
 
VeevaVee said:
If they didn’t do half the stuff people are moaning about it would have been a pretty boring season, which it was until these last few episodes aside from Linda being a maniac. Charlotte coming in to the fray has been great, Freddie being made traitor turned out to be highly comical, and the seer has turned it on its head when it was looking cut and dry meaning we’ll at least be assured of some kind of drama in this last episode.
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They didn't do half the stuff last year and it was a great watch. The finale was epic tv.
 
Smores said:
I do think Jake and Alexander may force a fair split though and if Leanne forces it they'll vote against her.
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I really hope this is how it plays out. Would rescue season 3 if she costs herself the win.
 
diarm said:
I think she has to say Charlotte is a faithful to the group, then tell Alexander in confidence so they can try to banish at least one of Leanne or Jake before turning on Charlotte. Obviously Charlotte is going to be working with the other two to try and do the opposite, but it'll be trickier for her to sell Frankie as a traitor after this seer business, especially when she's not sure when Frankie will come clean.

There's no feasible way Frankie makes it to the end by publicly outing Charlotte from the off.
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I think that ends badly for her. Jake and Leanne suspect Alexander and probably Frankie in this situation more than Charlotte or each other.
 
RedSky said:
It makes very little sense for Alexander to be a traitor though. He actively helped Francesca with the deal that she seer checks him. That's either the boldest, double bluff in the history of double bluffs. Or he is clearly a faithful.

He even voted for both Mina(h) and then Freddie. But Freddie despite name checking Alexander (he was pretty much forced too as he was the only sensible person he could accuse) didn't actually go for him and went Charlotte instead. I'm pretty sure Leanne, Jake and Alexander will win.
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Yeah. Alexander deserves to win it but I feel they're going to end up being greedy and even after Charlotte and Francesca out they're going to continue to continue to vote people out which I suppose has a logic to it but they should end the game with those three.

I've not watched the last two Uncloakeds yet but really surprised how naive Minah was. After voting out Armani and Linda, the sisterhood thing was never going to work on the new person. Good logic to recruit a woman with the rest looking for a man but I was surprised how trusting Minah was while Charlotte was scheming from the start.

Charlotte played a blinder but did too much with the throwing Freddie under the bus. Initially he was trusting of her but at the breakfast when Leanne revealed Charlotte knew, he had all day to make his plans and, as we know ever since the first series, when a traitor is eliminated on the final or penultimate episode, if they feel they've been thrown under the bus they'll vote for the other traitor. Happened last series too but Mollie messed it up.

Using the Seer power on Charlotte was the logical thing to do after that and glad Francesca did despite knowing in all likelihood if Charlotte is a Traitor, Francesca will end up getting voted out anyway.

Enjoyable series.
 
I predicted the fallout with Charlotte and Freddie so it wasn't a shock that Freddie acted that way. She was incredibly naive to assume that she could throw Freddie under the bus like that and not expect him to fight back. She lost the game as soon as she devised that daft plot. Irrespective of the Seer or not, there's no way she could have explained why Freddie went from safelisting her the day before to having her as his number 1 suspect ahead of Alexander.

It probably helps having played so much Werewolf that you can predict how things will unfold because you know how people will react when they're thrown under the bus. Intricate and complicated plays never, ever work.

Still she didn't deserve to win anyway so im satisfied the faithful will win. Deserved really, they've played pretty well at the end tbf.
 
fecking excellent she picked Charlotte.

fecking great traitor is Charlotte but feck her for getting out m'minah.
 
United Hobbit said:
Surely as they know Frankie, as seer, MUST be told correctly Charlotte's identity, they vote her out straight away?

It would be different if the identity if the seer was secret and they had to convince people about the person they had been told about

If I was seer I'd have picked someone under the radar, it's win win as you either guarantee an ally, or you avoid a Mollie and Harry situation

Unless they let Charlotte recruit again? I hope they don't though but could she pick Frankie and try and make her an ally, agree to share the pot, and get her to lie about what identity she was told?

Unfortunately I think there's no way Alexander isn't banished, they're all too suspicious of him. Leanne maybe also, if Alexander can get rid of her before he's banished. If I had any doubts I'd keep voting to banish again, either you bin a traitor, or you get more money for yourself

I can see Frankie and Jake winning jointly.
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They don't know whether Frankie is a traitor or not so don't know if she's lying or not. It's why they have to vote out both Frankie and Charlotte to guarantee they get at least one traitor.
 
Will Jake and Leanne be convinced by Frankie though? They SHOULD be but they were both so naive yesterday when outside before the task "could it be Charlotte... no it couldn't possibly be Charlotte" that will the blinkers stay on and they turn on Frankie, and Alexander?

I think Frankie needs to tell them straight away especially as they know she's the seer, anything else would look dodgy. If you don't you risk Charlotte teaming up with Leanne and Jake (who think it couldn't possibly be her) and working with them to boot Frankie out before she can argue the case against Charlotte. Then even if she's told Alexander, they don't trust him, and Leanne seems to have a grudge against him so they'll just boot him as well

I wouldn't trust Leanne and she's got Jake onside, plus they are close to Charlotte

I want Alexander to win but I don't think he has any chance, Leanne will gun for him even if they do vote Charlotte out first

I also think the seer is too powerful at this stage, at the most their identity should be kept private then they need to work to convince the others

I just hope Frankie isn't given the choice of joining Charlotte, that would really ruin it
 
United Hobbit said:
Will Jake and Leanne be convinced by Frankie though? They SHOULD be but they were both so naive yesterday when outside before the task "could it be Charlotte... no it couldn't possibly be Charlotte" that will the blinkers stay on and they turn on Frankie, and Alexander?

I think Frankie needs to tell them straight away especially as they know she's the seer, anything else would look dodgy. If you don't you risk Charlotte teaming up with Leanne and Jake (who think it couldn't possibly be her) and working with them to boot Frankie out before she can argue the case against Charlotte. Then even if she's told Alexander, they don't trust him, and Leanne seems to have a grudge against him so they'll just boot him as well

I wouldn't trust Leanne and she's got Jake onside, plus they are close to Charlotte

I want Alexander to win but I don't think he has any chance, Leanne will gun for him even if they do vote Charlotte out first

I also think the seer is too powerful at this stage, at the most their identity should be kept private then they need to work to convince the others

I just hope Frankie isn't given the choice of joining Charlotte, that would really ruin it
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Doesnt matter if they believe her or not, the second Frankie says Charlotte is a traitor, they logically both have to go.
 
Isn't there supposed to be a UK celebrity version this year? I gave up with the first US series after a couple of episodes because they (and the host) were all so obnoxious, a big part of what made the UK version successful was it was all regular people in normal jobs

I certainly don't want it to have any love island/influencer/towie types on it at least get proper celebrities, who are intelligent, rather than the usual route "celebrity" shows go down
 
United Hobbit said:
Isn't there supposed to be a UK celebrity version this year? I gave up with the first US series after a couple of episodes because they (and the host) were all so obnoxious, a big part of what made the UK version successful was it was all regular people in normal jobs

I certainly don't want it to have any love island/influencer/towie types on it at least get proper celebrities, who are intelligent, rather than the usual route "celebrity" shows go down
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I’d rather they do a straight up celeb version than do what other countries have done and incorporate celebs and ‘normal’ people
 
SalfordRed18 said:
Doesnt matter if they believe her or not, the second Frankie says Charlotte is a traitor, they logically both have to go.
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Only chance of a swerve really is if Frankie realises this and tells them Charlotte is a faithful after agreeing to half the cash if Charlotte wins.
 
Solius said:
Quote of the season for me is still: "A lot of heat? I thought some."
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His best comment(s), and probably the best anyone has said on the show, are when he acknowledged that the others are right to question him and he understands their logic.

If only others were as aware of this situation.

There was a point in the last episode when he and Leanne were talking.

Leanne said something like: well I know I'm a faithful so you're wrong.
Alex replied: and I know I'm a faithful.
Leanne: But how can I believe you?

That's the crux of the game, but so few people seem to understand that other people saying your name incorrectly is not a sign of them being a traitor, because everyone but the traitors is doing it.
 
I'd question everyone in there you cannot trust anyone. Unfortunately it usually leads to murder or banishment of the intelligent ones, and you end up with a Molly or Hannah scenario where they luck into the final just because they're so easily manipulated by the traitor (who couldn't possibly be a traitor)

Minah's downfall was being way too trusting of Charlotte, must have been for dramatic effect/Minah didn't see it where Minah was saying about wanting to get to the final and share the money, Charlotte pulled a face. Charlotte was right not to trust her (who knows she wasn't playing a perfect poker face keeping her onside then throwing her under the bus right at the end)
 
Charlotte came out of the last round table and was saying she thought that all the traitors could be gone. If the others remember that, then along with Francesca revealing that Charlotte is a traitor it should be clear that she is the last one.
It will be selfishness not genuine doubt that sees anybody else other than Charlotte get removed now. Really do not want Leanne to win unless it is with all of the other faithful.
 
The Cat said:
Only chance of a swerve really is if Frankie realises this and tells them Charlotte is a faithful after agreeing to half the cash if Charlotte wins.
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Surely that wouldn't be considered within the spirit of the game? Producers would never allow something like that to be articulated on camera.
 
Just my luck that the first episode I can watch live is the finale :lol:

Not all bad though, meant I could skip loads of tasks.
 
United Hobbit said:
I'd question everyone in there you cannot trust anyone. Unfortunately it usually leads to murder or banishment of the intelligent ones, and you end up with a Molly or Hannah scenario where they luck into the final just because they're so easily manipulated by the traitor (who couldn't possibly be a traitor)

Minah's downfall was being way too trusting of Charlotte, must have been for dramatic effect/Minah didn't see it where Minah was saying about wanting to get to the final and share the money, Charlotte pulled a face. Charlotte was right not to trust her (who knows she wasn't playing a perfect poker face keeping her onside then throwing her under the bus right at the end)
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Minah was naive, but I think she was being genuine about wanting to win together. Which is believable, because if she wasn't thinking like that, Charlotte was obviously a terrible pick even before picking her.
 
Imagine if this was those two sisters in this situation. That would be unreal.
 
It's a fecking tall order to act this away. Just don't think it's very fair.
 
Frankie was way way too passive, and is letting emotions and her friendship with Charlotte get the better of her

Charlotte's sobbing could cook her goose though

They need to vote both out at this point as others have said

If Charlotte gets out of this she deserves to win. She'd planned what she was going to say you can tell
 
Frankie is just too nice. Said that last week. She has no killer instinct.
 
United Hobbit said:
Frankie was way way too passive, and is letting emotions and her friendship with Charlotte get the better of her

Charlotte's sobbing could cook her goose though

They need to vote both out at this point as others have said

If Charlotte gets out of this she deserves to win. She'd planned what she was going to say you can tell
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Absolutely spot on
 
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