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Assuming they all believe that Charlotte is a traitor - which they should do given Freddie's vote at the end - it's potentially a bit of a dead rubber of a final.

Alexander has all but cleared his name by cleverly making Francesca the Seer, then having a male traitor voted off in the roundtable. Charlotte was also the last player alongside Alexander to take part in the deathmatch which (for some reason I've never quite understood) loads of faithfuls believe must have had a traitor in.

Unless Alexander pursues the Leanne theory again (no real reason to do so once Charlotte's gone) then they should be fairly certain there are no more traitors left.

The only drama I can see taking place is if Charlotte has the option to recruit Francesca during their meeting, or some of the faithfuls try and boot out another faithful in order to get a higher percentage of the winnings.
 
groovyalbert said:
Assuming they all believe that Charlotte is a traitor - which they should do given Freddie's vote at the end - it's potentially a bit of a dead rubber of a final.

Alexander has all but cleared his name by cleverly making Francesca the Seer, then having a male traitor voted off in the roundtable. Charlotte was also the last player alongside Alexander to take part in the deathmatch which (for some reason I've never quite understood) loads of faithfuls believe must have had a traitor in.

Unless Alexander pursues the Leanne theory again (no real reason to do so once Charlotte's gone) then they should be fairly certain there are no more traitors left.

The only drama I can see taking place is if Charlotte has the option to recruit Francesca during their meeting, or some of the faithfuls try and boot out another faithful in order to get a higher percentage of the winnings.
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Freddie was the last chance she could recruit.
Charlotte wasn't in the death match.

Charlotte vs Frankie could be an interesting battle tonight, I have a feeling they might just vote them both off.
 
sebsheep said:
Freddie was the last chance she could recruit.
Charlotte wasn't in the death match.

Charlotte vs Frankie could be an interesting battle tonight, I have a feeling they might just vote them both off.
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Sorry, not the deathmatch - the game with the coffins.

I think Freddie's vote for Charlotte may confirm Frankie's accusations, although I do think the other faithfuls may see the benefit of splitting the winnings 3 ways rather than 4 and use false suspicions of Frankie to vote her out.
 
groovyalbert said:
Assuming they all believe that Charlotte is a traitor - which they should do given Freddie's vote at the end - it's potentially a bit of a dead rubber of a final.

Alexander has all but cleared his name by cleverly making Francesca the Seer, then having a male traitor voted off in the roundtable. Charlotte was also the last player alongside Alexander to take part in the deathmatch which (for some reason I've never quite understood) loads of faithfuls believe must have had a traitor in.

Unless Alexander pursues the Leanne theory again (no real reason to do so once Charlotte's gone) then they should be fairly certain there are no more traitors left.

The only drama I can see taking place is if Charlotte has the option to recruit Francesca during their meeting, or some of the faithfuls try and boot out another faithful in order to get a higher percentage of the winnings.
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But players don’t reveal their identity when they leave anymore. So assume Charlotte is going to try and turn the tables onto Francesca and say she’s a traitor, the faithful will probably still vote Charlotte out but can they trust Francesca to end the game with her there? She could’ve been a traitor all along as far as they know and Charlotte was telling the truth. The only dead rubber would be if they voted Charlotte off and she revealed she was a traitor.
 
As soon as Frankie reports back that Charlotte is a traitor, it makes it crystal clear that either she is, or Frankie is, so logically it makes sense to banish both of them given that there are still three other players. Not totally sure they will see that, but it makes sense.

Interesting that the seer prize that everyone wanted so much is actually a little bit poisoned.

With traitors not being revealed, I can also see Jake and Leanne voting Alexander out just out of paranoia.

Could see Jake and Leanne winning it.

Charlotte should have murdered Jake rather than trying to be clever about the shield.

I suppose if Frankie is very smart, she might work out that telling the others Charlotte is a traitor is actually not good for her personally (Frankie) and that the best outcome for her is for the pair of them to be in the last three standing, at which point Frankie reveals the lie and persuades the other to banish Charlotte and win... but I am not sure I see that happening.
 
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groovyalbert said:
Sorry, not the deathmatch - the game with the coffins.

I think Freddie's vote for Charlotte may confirm Frankie's accusations, although I do think the other faithfuls may see the benefit of splitting the winnings 3 ways rather than 4 and use false suspicions of Frankie to vote her out.
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The coffins thing was a result of the death match.
 
They should theoretically be able to count they’ve gotten 5 after Charlotte/Frankie and work out there couldn’t possibly be another. But I guess they’re left so in the dark as to how many started, etc… they’d have no clue.

Did seem odd to me that they seemed completely unaware the traitors could recruit and murder same night.
 
Solius said:
They should theoretically be able to count they’ve gotten 5 after Charlotte/Frankie and work out there couldn’t possibly be another. But I guess they’re left so in the dark as to how many started, etc… they’d have no clue.

Did seem odd to me that they seemed completely unaware the traitors could recruit and murder same night.
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Yeah it's silly that they can't even rely on counting how many murders/missed murders (i.e. possible recruitments) there were, and work out that way how many traitors there could be. It should just be one action per night - a murder or a recruitment.

It's been said enough, but the producers really do mess way too much with the game as it's ongoing. And I reckon we only see the half of it.
 
BD said:
Yeah it's silly that they can't even rely on counting how many murders/missed murders (i.e. possible recruitments) there were, and work out that way how many traitors there could be. It should just be one action per night - a murder or a recruitment.

It's been said enough, but the producers really do mess way too much with the game as it's ongoing. And I reckon we only see the half of it.
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I've seen some interviews with past players and apparently they do stay quite out of it. I think their main goal is to ensure it reaches 12 episodes, which is something that needs fixing because now every player knows catching traitors early is pointless and that there will pretty much always be at least one in the final regardless.

Another thing I've heard they do is encourage people to go and have chats with specific other people, but that's all I've heard in terms of their interfering.
 
Solius said:
The coffins thing was a result of the death match.
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Oh yeah - so Charlotte was in the deathmatch with Alexander.

Why were the faithfuls so certain a traitor would be in that game when it would have meant potentially murdering themselves? Made no sense
 
groovyalbert said:
Oh yeah - so Charlotte was in the deathmatch with Alexander.

Why were the faithfuls so certain a traitor would be in that game when it would have meant potentially murdering themselves? Made no sense
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That was Leon, Anna, Fozia and Alexander.
 
groovyalbert said:
Oh yeah - so Charlotte was in the deathmatch with Alexander.

Why were the faithfuls so certain a traitor would be in that game when it would have meant potentially murdering themselves? Made no sense
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She wasn't! :lol:

It was Anna, Alexander, Fozia and Leon.

I think based on one comment I heard, if the traitor ended up in the last two they'd have won automatically. Hence Alexander suspecting Leon. I think he mentions it in the car at one point.
 
Offside said:
But players don’t reveal their identity when they leave anymore. So assume Charlotte is going to try and turn the tables onto Francesca and say she’s a traitor, the faithful will probably still vote Charlotte out but can they trust Francesca to end the game with her there? She could’ve been a traitor all along as far as they know and Charlotte was telling the truth. The only dead rubber would be if they voted Charlotte off and she revealed she was a traitor.
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I think the others will work out Charlotte is a traitor pretty quickly without her having to admit to it given Freddie's vote yesterday.

Maybe they'll then turn on Francesca but I don't think they'll genuinely think she's a traitor.

what could happen is two faithfuls pairing up to try and get the winnings spread across fewer players as possible - but even then that would risk overplaying/look suspicious.

For me, it should be pretty obvious to the players that Alexander, Leanne and Jake are faithfuls - Francesca is almost certainly one too but they may just boot her out to be safe.

Will there be any more tasks or anything? Hard to see how they fill an hour with what they've got left.
 
Will be really miffed if Leanne wins. She started to irritate me a lot from Episode 8 when she started to think the game revolved around her. Very self-centred and a bit of a bully.
 
Solius said:
She wasn't! :lol:

It was Anna, Alexander, Fozia and Leon.

I think based on one comment I heard, if the traitor ended up in the last two they'd have won automatically. Hence Alexander suspecting Leon. I think he mentions it in the car at one point.
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:lol:

Thanks! Wasn't aware of the traitor being safe from murder in that game - are you sure? Linda and Minah would surely have put one of their names down in that case, especially with everyone gunning for Linda at that point.
 
groovyalbert said:
:lol:

Thanks! Wasn't aware of the traitor being safe from murder in that game - are you sure? Linda and Minah would surely have put one of their names down in that case, especially with everyone gunning for Linda at that point.
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I think Alexander said to Leon at one point "How do I know that you didn't just automatically win after I left?". So just basing it on that. Why is Alexander thinking that unless they're told a traitor can't die in the game.
 
Solius said:
I think Alexander said to Leon at one point "How do I know that you didn't just automatically win after I left?". So just basing it on that. Why is Alexander thinking that unless they're told a traitor can't die in the game.
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Wasn't aware he said that. I feel like that would have been raised in the roundtables where players were constantly referring to there being a traitor in the game. And if that was the case, then a traitor would definitely have played the game.

Edit* - Quick search online, I don't think it looks like traitors were immune from murder in that game.
 
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Solius said:
I think Alexander said to Leon at one point "How do I know that you didn't just automatically win after I left?". So just basing it on that. Why is Alexander thinking that unless they're told a traitor can't die in the game.
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I think that was just him speculating, similar to how he was about Leanne potentially using the shield as a bluff yesterday.
He's not always right but it's a step up from "He wasn't shaking when he came out of the coffin"
 
Predictions are:

- Charlotte reveals to Francesca she’s a traitor (obviously)
- Francesca tells everyone, and they buy it given Freddie’s vote
- Charlotte nonetheless pleads her case that she’s faithful and this is a set up
- The other players are a little suspicious given they probably trusted Charlotte more before this, but nonetheless vote Charlotte out, but she doesn’t reveal her identity
- In the endgame, they then vote Alexander out as Leanne still thinks he’s a traitor (she may change her mind after the Charlotte thing but I doubt it) and the others don’t trust him either
- It’s down to Jake, Leanne and Francesca. Just to be safe, and because they still don’t know whether Alexander or Charlotte was a faithful, they vote out Francesca in case Charlotte’s set up theory was right
- Jake and Leanne win.
 
Offside said:
Predictions are:

- Charlotte reveals to Francesca she’s a traitor (obviously)
- Francesca tells everyone, and they buy it given Freddie’s vote
- Charlotte nonetheless pleads her case that she’s faithful and this is a set up
- The other players are a little suspicious given they probably trusted Charlotte more before this, but nonetheless vote Charlotte out, but she doesn’t reveal her identity
- In the endgame, they then vote Alexander out as Leanne still thinks he’s a traitor (she may change her mind after the Charlotte thing but I doubt it) and the others don’t trust him either
- It’s down to Jake, Leanne and Francesca. Just to be safe, and because they still don’t know whether Alexander or Charlotte was a faithful, they vote out Francesca in case Charlotte’s set up theory was right
- Jake and Leanne win.
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I think they get Frankie out before Alexander but basically same conclusion. I guess you never know though. I’d like an Alexander - Jake - Frankie win. I think the only 100% guarantee is at least Jake will win.
 
Offside said:
Predictions are:

- Charlotte reveals to Francesca she’s a traitor (obviously)
- Francesca tells everyone, and they buy it given Freddie’s vote
- Charlotte nonetheless pleads her case that she’s faithful and this is a set up
- The other players are a little suspicious given they probably trusted Charlotte more before this, but nonetheless vote Charlotte out, but she doesn’t reveal her identity
- In the endgame, they then vote Alexander out as Leanne still thinks he’s a traitor (she may change her mind after the Charlotte thing but I doubt it) and the others don’t trust him either
- It’s down to Jake, Leanne and Francesca. Just to be safe, and because they still don’t know whether Alexander or Charlotte was a faithful, they vote out Francesca in case Charlotte’s set up theory was right
- Jake and Leanne win.
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Probably about right.

Though in reality they should think "If Francesca was a traitor, why would she seer Charlotte and try to get her killed - she could've done that so much easier with Alexander". But on one hand there has been a lack of such thinking in the game, and on the other I wouldn't at all blame them for just voting off Francesca to be sure to be sure, which is obviously a bit harsh on her, but might need to be done. There's no downside for the others, from a purely selfish perspective.
 
BD said:
Probably about right.

Though in reality they should think "If Francesca was a traitor, why would she seer Charlotte and try to get her killed - she could've done that so much easier with Alexander". But on one hand there has been a lack of such thinking in the game, and on the other I wouldn't at all blame them for just voting off Francesca to be sure to be sure, which is obviously a bit harsh on her, but might need to be done. There's no downside for the others, from a purely selfish perspective.
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They could say Alexander is easier to banish anyway so seer checking a confirmed faithful and putting doubt on them could reduce the numbers even further.
 
A Leanne and Jake win would be so annoying. Jake is an ok player but Leanne is terrible and just a massive bully who stayed in so long because she's irrelevant (but thinks she's central to everything).

Alexander managed to be both a lovely man and a very good player, disappointing if he loses it at the end.
 
BD said:
Probably about right.

Though in reality they should think "If Francesca was a traitor, why would she seer Charlotte and try to get her killed - she could've done that so much easier with Alexander". But on one hand there has been a lack of such thinking in the game, and on the other I wouldn't at all blame them for just voting off Francesca to be sure to be sure, which is obviously a bit harsh on her, but might need to be done. There's no downside for the others, from a purely selfish perspective.
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Yep, it would make no sense as a traitor tactic. I can just see them lacking logic in the moment as you say, but I can also see Charlotte being very convincing in her defence, certainly coming up with something better than Freddie did despite being even more bang to rights.
 
Offside said:
Yep, it would make no sense as a traitor tactic. I can just see them lacking logic in the moment as you say, but I can also see Charlotte being very convincing in her defence, certainly coming up with something better than Freddie did despite being even more bang to rights.
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Everyone seems convinced Frankie will get Charlotte out but I can easily see Charlotte spinning it the other way round especially as they are all more convinced that she's a faithful than Leanne. The only thorn in her side is Freddie turning on her.
 
Massive Spanner said:
A Leanne and Jake win would be so annoying. Jake is an ok player but Leanne is terrible and just a massive bully who stayed in so long because she's irrelevant (but thinks she's central to everything).

Alexander managed to be both a lovely man and a very good player, disappointing if he loses it at the end.
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Completely agree.
 
Massive Spanner said:
A Leanne and Jake win would be so annoying. Jake is an ok player but Leanne is terrible and just a massive bully who stayed in so long because she's irrelevant (but thinks she's central to everything).

Alexander managed to be both a lovely man and a very good player, disappointing if he loses it at the end.
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It's possible they turn on Leanne because if you really think logically, there's no way if Francesca was a traitor her tactic would be to pick someone everyone thinks is a faithful and start saying they're a traitor, which is what Charlotte will likely claim. So it could get down to Francesca, Jake and Leanne, and they instead all vote Leanne out. I just think Jake will purely go on the evidence that Leanne is faithful as Freddie did try to kill her, and that Francesca could be a traitor as Charlotte will claim she was (and remember they won't ever find out whether Charlotte was a traitor or not so they may just kill Francesca for certainty).

I'm almost certain Alexander won't win as Leanne is gunning for him and even after the Charlotte thing that's about to blow up, she probably will still never be comfortable ending the game with him there. Jake also will see Alexander as more of a traitor than Leanne after the Freddie thing and his male theory.
 
If you think the traitors in the UK version are shit, watch the US version.
They turned on each other pretty much straight away and can't work together at all.
 
Schmiznurf said:
If you think the traitors in the UK version are shit, watch the US version.
They turned on each other pretty much straight away and can't work together at all.
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Are they still doing celebrities in season 3? Made refusal to question their friends even more prevalent in season 2.
 
It makes very little sense for Alexander to be a traitor though. He actively helped Francesca with the deal that she seer checks him. That's either the boldest, double bluff in the history of double bluffs. Or he is clearly a faithful.

He even voted for both Mina(h) and then Freddie. But Freddie despite name checking Alexander (he was pretty much forced too as he was the only sensible person he could accuse) didn't actually go for him and went Charlotte instead. I'm pretty sure Leanne, Jake and Alexander will win.
 
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It's possible they turn on Leanne because if you really think logically, there's no way if Francesca was a traitor her tactic would be to pick someone everyone thinks is a faithful and start saying they're a traitor, which is what Charlotte will likely claim. So it could get down to Francesca, Jake and Leanne, and they instead all vote Leanne out. I just think Jake will purely go on the evidence that Leanne is faithful as Freddie did try to kill her, and that Francesca could be a traitor as Charlotte will claim she was (and remember they won't ever find out whether Charlotte was a traitor or not so they may just kill Francesca for certainty).

I'm almost certain Alexander won't win as Leanne is gunning for him and even after the Charlotte thing that's about to blow up, she probably will still never be comfortable ending the game with him there. Jake also will see Alexander as more of a traitor than Leanne after the Freddie thing and his male theory.
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I think you're right about Alexander. I like him and would like him to win. He's been dealt a tough hand: Claudia's comments convinced the initial group that him or Fowzia must be a traitor. And for some reason, the fact that he's articulate and goes into war zones makes him more suspicious.

Leanne had some cheek to look so indignant about the Traitors saying she's the most two-faced as she's been lying about her job the whole time.
 
why all the love for Jake? He’d a melon who twigged Linda was a traitor (which really wasn’t hard), but other than that he’s. Been wrong on everything.
 
Quote of the season for me is still: "A lot of heat? I thought some."
 
esmufc07 said:
why all the love for Jake? He’d a melon who twigged Linda was a traitor (which really wasn’t hard), but other than that he’s. Been wrong on everything.
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I wouldn't say it's love. I know the Linda thing was obvious but he was the main driver of it in an otherwise oblivious group. Good strategy in the clown moving game and has at least tried to use deduction and told people his suspicions straight up. Out of all the faithfuls left he and Alexander I'd say would deserve it.
 
Solius said:
Yep game theory means you vote both and guarantee you got a traitor. Then I think they vote off Alexander and you get a Jake/Leanne win. Can’t see it going any other way. Jake deserves it. Leanne can feck off. Bullying people into being nice to her basically.

I would like to see traitors actually work together in future. Having two votes that late game is actually pretty powerful. There’s been loads of friendly pairs in the group over the show so nobody would suspect two traitors being so openly pally with each other.
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I think this is exactly how it plays out & have the exact same sentiments about Jake/Leanne.

I think the only other way it could pan out is if Frankie decides to only tell Alexander about Charlotte & they could maybe set about banishing Leanne & Jake until it's only them & Charlotte left. They then banish her & split the pot. Doubt she & Alexander are ruthless enough for that though. Would require some pretty quick & longer term strategy thinking from Frankie & I think she'll be too rattled by the Charlotte reveal to think straight. Depends if she has a night on it to mull it through I guess.

The seer card should have been played a round or two earlier. Think it's a bit too powerful this late in the game, especially when combined with the non-reveal of the role they're playing.
 
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The endgame for Jake, Leanne and Alexander couldnt be easier. The recruitment+seer makes the final 5 such an uncompelling non-event.

Easy to work out there can only be 1 traitor left. They will know 1 of Charlotte and Francesca is the traitor with 100% certainty. All they have to do is vote both of them off and the win is guaranteed.

Then it's just a question if the 3 of them can share, or if Leanne decides to feck over one of the guys (prediction: she will do).
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Leanne is obsessed that it's Alex though. I can see her selfishly take the money for herself and Jake, even though if she thought about it for two seconds she'd realise there couldn't be any more traitors. She's been awful on this show.
 
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