Television The Traitors (BBC) | Series 3 now airing. If you watch episodes on the iPlayer that haven't aired on the BBC television, put discussion in spoilers

Schmiznurf said:
Jesus this show annoys me. I know it's called The Traitors but it's so obvious they want a traitors win every time with how much they can recruit. Makes the whole game pointless and there should be proper plans in place if all traitors die early.
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The recruitment doesn’t make the game pointless. It makes Traitors act in self-interest which is the point of the game. If the faithful catch a traitor and it gets down to one, then the traitor then HAS to recruit, which weakens the traitors as they may not want to recruit, and so have to build the trust all over again with someone else and may have done better on their own. For example, Minah had to recruit Charlotte as the faithful managed to catch Linda, but Charlotte outsmarted her and sealed her fate. The same way in the last series when Harry recruited after Paul left, he admitted he didn’t trust anyone, so used it to his advantage to pick traitors that he could deliberately throw under the bus, as Charlotte is doing now. The recruitment rule forces them to do this otherwise Harry could've done nothing stayed undetected for the whole series, but instead had to use the recruitments to survive.

Also, it’s always to the advantage of the faithful when traitors get banished as it’s a game of survival and anybody leaving gets you closer to the end.

There is obviously a bit of having to get 12 episodes out of a series, rather than having all the traitors caught immediately and everyone knows the faithful are going to win in the end, but I don’t agree it makes the games pointless. It makes it more interesting.

One thing I don't like about the recruitment is that when they leave they don't reveal that they were recruited and when. For example, Freddie is 100% going tonight which will make Jake say "I knew there was a male traitor!" when actually there's he was never a traitor, nor was any male until last night. That's stupid.
 
Offside said:
The recruitment doesn’t make the game pointless. It makes Traitors act in self-interest which is the point of the game. If the faithful catch a traitor and it gets down to one, then the traitor then HAS to recruit, which weakens the traitors as they may not want to recruit, and so have to build the trust all over again with someone else and may have done better on their own. For example, Minah had to recruit Charlotte as the faithful managed to catch Linda, but Charlotte outsmarted her and sealed her fate. The same way in the last series when Harry recruited after Paul left, he admitted he didn’t trust anyone, so used it to his advantage to pick traitors that he could deliberately throw under the bus, as Charlotte is doing now. The recruitment rule forces them to do this otherwise Harry could've done nothing stayed undetected for the whole series, but instead had to use the recruitments to survive.

Also, it’s always to the advantage of the faithful when traitors get banished as it’s a game of survival and anybody leaving gets you closer to the end.

There is obviously a bit of having to get 12 episodes out of a series, rather than having all the traitors caught immediately and everyone knows the faithful are going to win in the end, but I don’t agree it makes the games pointless. It makes it more interesting.

One thing I don't like about the recruitment is that when they leave they don't reveal that they were recruited and when. For example, Freddie is 100% going tonight which will make Jake say "I knew there was a male traitor!" when actually there's he was never a traitor, nor was any male until last night. That's stupid.
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Recruitment doesn't make the traitors weaker, it makes the traitors stronger by sheer numbers and angles to manipulate the faithful. Recruitment only weakens the pot that the traitors would win and overall it is greed that tends to undo the traitors.

If Charlotte wasn't greedy then Minah made a good choice choosing her, as the faithful trust Charlotte and she could have swayed heat away from Minah instead of encouraging it and voting for her. Minah's own continuing to try and coast by bit her in the butt there really. The main issue is the traitors mostly seem to want to screw other traitors over to win individually which is what can mess them up eventually. If Charlotte recruited Jake then the traitors would have won easily as long as she didn't want to be greedy and screw him over, but because she did want to do a screw job she chose Freddie which may screw herself over. By picking Jake she would have ensured that the faithful just followed her and Jake's theories and then ended the game at the earliest convenience to share the pot but greed dictated that she would choose a different path. We will see how it works out for her, but I feel the traitors regularly give up easy victories for greed.

The recruitment and murder in the same night also screws the faithful over because they would have no idea a recruitment is possible and probably work on the previso that there is only 1 traitor left. It is definitely weighted towards a traitor win.
 
Offside said:
The recruitment doesn’t make the game pointless. It makes Traitors act in self-interest which is the point of the game. If the faithful catch a traitor and it gets down to one, then the traitor then HAS to recruit, which weakens the traitors as they may not want to recruit, and so have to build the trust all over again with someone else and may have done better on their own. For example, Minah had to recruit Charlotte as the faithful managed to catch Linda, but Charlotte outsmarted her and sealed her fate. The same way in the last series when Harry recruited after Paul left, he admitted he didn’t trust anyone, so used it to his advantage to pick traitors that he could deliberately throw under the bus, as Charlotte is doing now. The recruitment rule forces them to do this otherwise Harry could've done nothing stayed undetected for the whole series, but instead had to use the recruitments to survive.

Also, it’s always to the advantage of the faithful when traitors get banished as it’s a game of survival and anybody leaving gets you closer to the end.

There is obviously a bit of having to get 12 episodes out of a series, rather than having all the traitors caught immediately and everyone knows the faithful are going to win in the end, but I don’t agree it makes the games pointless. It makes it more interesting.

One thing I don't like about the recruitment is that when they leave they don't reveal that they were recruited and when. For example, Freddie is 100% going tonight which will make Jake say "I knew there was a male traitor!" when actually there's he was never a traitor, nor was any male until last night. That's stupid.
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I do think the recruitment of the "extra" traitor once they get down to one traitor is a real weakness in the game and distorts it. I'm sure that Minah was a strong enough traitor to have got to the endgame on her own. The fact she was forced to recruit Charlotte led directly to her demise. Any recruitment where the option is "join or die" is doomed to failure.

They should have offered Minah the choice to recruit or forfeit doing a murder. The "lack" of a murder will get the faithful thinking a recruitment has taken place and they will be looking for multiple traitors. If a lone traitor does get caught in a banishment then the producers do another silent recruitment of a traitor if needed.

I think it's now getting to point where the faithful are almost being penalised for getting a traitor out. Would love to see a future series where a small group of faithful's agree to seek out the traitors but only remove one of the three. Leave the 2 traitors stuck in limbo and deliberately not select them for banishment, playing the role of "trusting friend" towards the traitors.

I honestly think it's the only way to ensure a faithful win given how the producers behave.
 
buchansleftleg said:
I do think the recruitment of the "extra" traitor once they get down to one traitor is a real weakness in the game and distorts it. I'm sure that Minah was a strong enough traitor to have got to the endgame on her own. The fact she was forced to recruit Charlotte led directly to her demise. Any recruitment where the option is "join or die" is doomed to failure.
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This is the point I was making, but I also agree somewhat with the others. The game is slightly weighted in favour of the traitors.
 
The recruitment is unnecessary. This group of faithfuls still suspect each other massively, so if Freddie was not recruited it is likely he would have been banished as a suspected traitor. They probably would have also gone for Alexander after Freddie was banished and revealed as a faithful. At the final end game, it also wouldn't have surprised me if one or more of them had last minute doubts and another faithful was banished. It would have all been dramatic TV.
 
hodgey123 said:
The recruitment is unnecessary. This group of faithfuls still suspect each other massively, so if Freddie was not recruited it is likely he would have been banished as a suspected traitor. They probably would have also gone for Alexander after Freddie was banished and revealed as a faithful. At the final end game, it also wouldn't have surprised me if one or more of them had last minute doubts and another faithful was banished. It would have all been dramatic TV.
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Can’t see it playing out much different to that to be honest, except assuming Freddie goes next, the faithful will have an idea there’s only one traitor left, so they might be comfortable to get rid of a couple then end it.

It’ll get interesting if Freddie tries to pin it on Charlotte though.
 
Why did they all take that chess game so personally. It was literally the Traitors choosing the players, or are they all playing stupid?
Nobody even thought strategically about the game except maybe Fransesca.
 
Good episode up until the recruitment part. It's so stupid and undermines the whole 'game', making the last 9 episodes a waste of time. It's a good show for drama and getting kicks out of watching dickheads like Joe and Leanne trouncing around the castle, but in terms of strategy and logic it's a waste of time.
 
Making them recruit is one thing but giving them a murder too? That’s mental. The traitors essentially remove two faithful in one go.

They’re obviously scared to risk Charlotte going at the round table so they have to guarantee one traitor makes the final. Which should be obvious to everyone playing. If they actually sacrificed some ‘drama’ for once and let it possibly just be an all faithful final where they doubt each other anyway, that would strengthen their position for future series if they know it’s a possibility.

Seer power better be pretty good to balance that shit out.
 
Also why is Alexander so funny :lol: he is way too nice and logical for this game. Kinda hope he wins now but he’ll surely get shafted by Charlotte’s plan.
 
hobbers said:
Future series are going to turn into a nightmare for the producers unless they rip up this rulebook. It's not going to be much of a show for the first half of a season when the faithful openly stop trying to hunt traitors.

Mind you if they do another season where half the contestants are influencers even before going in, the show will die regardless of shit game mechanics.
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Is that the case with this series?
 
What if Freddie gets banished and Charlotte ends up getting asked the question by the seer?
 
Charlottes fecked then. No real way out of that :lol:

Calling it now. They vote out Charlotte but they also don’t feel comfortable with Alexander in the final so they shaft him from the money.
 
Solius said:
Charlottes fecked then. No real way out of that :lol:

Calling it now. They vote out Charlotte but they also don’t feel comfortable with Alexander in the final so they shaft him from the money.
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The worst timeline. I love him.
 
That was definitely a producer call to pick Charlotte. I mean I love it as it was the best call entertainment wise, but yeah.
 
Why didn’t Freddie say Charlotte told him rather than Minah at the bar when she wasn’t even there :lol:

The seer twist would be so annoying for Charlotte.
 
Offside said:
Why didn’t Freddie say Charlotte told him rather than Minah at the bar when she wasn’t even there :lol:

The seer twist would be so annoying for Charlotte.
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Simple answer: he forgot because he was under pressure.
 
Well somehow the faithfuls have stumbled into a winning position. If Alex, Leanne and Jake have any sense, they should probably just vote out the other two. Get rid of any doubt.

I just hope Alex doesn't get shafted. I do unfortunately see a world where they side with Charlotte and get rid of Frankie, then question why Alex gave her the money to put her in the seer position and get rid of him.
 
Globule said:
Well somehow the faithfuls have stumbled into a winning position. If Alex, Leanne and Jake have any sense, they should probably just vote out the other two. Get rid of any doubt.

I just hope Alex doesn't get shafted. I do unfortunately see a works where they side with Charlotte and get rid of Frankie, then question why Alex gave her the money to put her in the seer position and get rid of him.
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If Charlotte pulled that off she'd deserve the win at least.
 
The male sex has not come out of this show too well when it comes to intelligence.

Jake and Freddie seem to be completing for most brainless person in the world and I've no idea what Alexander is playing at.

Was so sure Frankie would screw this up and pick Alexander to ask but she's done well and really sets things up for tomorrow.

Leanne twigged Freddie voting for Charlie as well while the two guys obviously missed that
 
Offside said:
Why didn’t Freddie say Charlotte told him rather than Minah at the bar when she wasn’t even there :lol:

The seer twist would be so annoying for Charlotte.
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I don't know why he needed to lie at all. Just say you didn't know. As Alex said, it doesn't matter one bit if you knew or not, because it's equally valid that the traitors could weaponise their knowledge to put the focus on other people.

Freddie should know this, considering that's exactly what Charlotte did.
 
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