Yeah I don't know why so many people were happy Wilf lost the money in the end. I was gutted for him. He was literally the only one in there actually playing the game, you know scheming, devising plots which is what the game is all about. Most of the faithfuls just woke up in the morning, do the missions, gossip about who said what during the day and then vote out potential traitors based on nothing more than a hunch. Other than just coming across as nice people, there was nothing about the faithfuls who won that made me think they deserved it. Wilf losing it because Keiran outed him kinda ruined the end for me. As someone else said further up, not really in the spirit of the game to just blurt out that Wilf is a traitor too just as he's leaving.
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Well because the remaining faithfuls had no idea about Wilf until he blurted that out. It's one thing to turn on another traitor to preserve your own place in the game but to just flat out tell the faithfuls that Wilf is the last traitor out of bitterness and spite spoiled the ending.
I agree.
Wilf pretty much played a perfect game and only lost because Kieran was a bitter arsehole who couldn’t handle that Wilf had completely outsmarted him. The fact that the other three all were 100% convinced that he wasn’t the traitor just shows how well he had played it, and it does feel like Kieran in some way cheated the game to get him outed. Poor form.
Funnily enough if he had kept going solo he would have walked away with it, but the producers had to intervene when only one was left I guess in fear of the show not making it to all 12 episodes. Wonder what’d happen in a subsequent series if the traitors all got outed early on?
None of Aaron, Hannah, or Meryl deserved to win it either which is the frustrating thing. They were all eejits who didn’t play the game at all and followed the pack. If they had any sense they would have all figured out that the reason all three were still there is because Wilf didn’t see them as a threat
I can understand why people are upset with how it ended. Wilf had played well and absolutely had to turn on his teammates at some point; unless the village has been collectively lobotomised evil teams shouldn't be able to waltz through a game without at least verbally suspecting each other, and probably voting each other too. Kieran acted unconventionally and seemed to break the spirit of the game, if not the actual rules, with how he behaved at the vote.
On the other hand Wilf chose to recruit Kieran. Wilf said himself part of the plan was to throw him under the bus as another man, he'd had time to judge whether Kieran was up to the task of being a good traitor (he wasn't) and Wilf could also have been less obvious he was planning to betray him in the lead-up to the vote. Ultimately he could have tried to recruit someone else, perhaps Hannah, and banked on his good name carrying him over the line. As it was he recruited poorly and paid the price, albeit in a slightly unsatisfying grey area at the very end.
On the other hand Wilf chose to recruit Kieran. Wilf said himself part of the plan was to throw him under the bus as another man, he'd had time to judge whether Kieran was up to the task of being a good traitor (he wasn't) and Wilf could also have been less obvious he was planning to betray him in the lead-up to the vote. Ultimately he could have tried to recruit someone else, perhaps Hannah, and banked on his good name carrying him over the line. As it was he recruited poorly and paid the price, albeit in a slightly unsatisfying grey area at the very end.
Overall it was a good show. I didn't care much for the missions but the core game was fun to watch, and as a fan of social deduction games if it makes this type of stuff more popular with the wider public I'm all for it. Now to apply for series two
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Binged it in 2 days. Good show but the folks who won were some of the worst in the game. In fact I don't think there was any good faithful players. Amanda was the best player except the one howler. I think Wilf would have won if not for the recruit twist. He did make a mistake in targeting Kieran so openly.
I think most of the time faithfuls would accept being recruited unlike what Alex did here, so if too many die early they will get some recruited. It is more of the late game twists like what they did here with recruitment at F7 that is the problem. It impacts game too much.
Yeah it did feel like cheating in a way. Wilf was outed and his life in game detonated by an eliminated player no longer in the game and gift wrapped the win for 3, in my opinion, undeserving faithfuls, certainly Hannah and Meryl. That's about an unsatisfying end to the show you could imagine. I was sat there eagerly anticipating the moment when everyone chose to end the game and Wilf then revealed he was a traitor. Hannah's reaction to that would have been the stuff of legends 
I think they have to somehow incentivise traitors to continue to back the remaining traitors despite being back stabbed and thrown under the bus.
I think they have to somehow incentivise traitors to continue to back the remaining traitors despite being back stabbed and thrown under the bus.
Not sure this is a spoiler, but I found Meryl very annoying- very immature if someone said anything against her, and she just babbled so fast I couldn’t keep up with what she was saying
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- Thoughts on ending and the winner
- Thoughts on some eliminated faithfuls
Wasn’t fussed on Hannah and Meryl, but there was a weird innocence about Aaron so glad he won. A lot of other faithfuls I wish made it further but random paranoia got them eliminated.
Of the traitors Amanda played a blinder, and I liked Alyssa but she got herself eliminated.
I could not stand Wilf. I’m glad he was caught at the end. He bumbled his way through the game, I truly do not understand why none of them except that one girl suspected him? He was guilty as sin and an awful actor. The faithfuls should have cottoned on to him Day 1, and Amanda should have disposed of him immediately after the Alyssa shenanigans, and Kieran should have went for his throat the second he became a traitor.
Kieran wasn’t capable of being a traitor, he literally just threw in the towel the moment he accepted the role. He could have at least tried.
In general it didn’t seem like much of a game plan or actually investigation from either side. It was just a bit of a chaotic mish mash.
I liked the DND guy, and the magician was a prat but entertaining. Also Andrea was just lovely.
Of the traitors Amanda played a blinder, and I liked Alyssa but she got herself eliminated.
I could not stand Wilf. I’m glad he was caught at the end. He bumbled his way through the game, I truly do not understand why none of them except that one girl suspected him? He was guilty as sin and an awful actor. The faithfuls should have cottoned on to him Day 1, and Amanda should have disposed of him immediately after the Alyssa shenanigans, and Kieran should have went for his throat the second he became a traitor.
Kieran wasn’t capable of being a traitor, he literally just threw in the towel the moment he accepted the role. He could have at least tried.
In general it didn’t seem like much of a game plan or actually investigation from either side. It was just a bit of a chaotic mish mash.
I liked the DND guy, and the magician was a prat but entertaining. Also Andrea was just lovely.
Overall enjoyed it, and want it to return with more capable people who can actually employ some game theory and scheming to the show.
I don’t remember anyone working out who was a Traitor based on sound reasoning, the whole series, unless I’m missing something? (Remember to spoiler it if so)
Alyssa made a slip up with Thom - I can’t remember the exact conversation but it was a dead giveaway and Thom was even like “so you’re a traitor then yeah” and Alyssa did the whole shocked pikachu face and knew he knew. Thom didn’t out her and tried to use her to his advantage but her own demise came otherwise shortly after.
Amanda trusting Theo the most, and then trying to vote him off the very next day was a red flag that led to her demise along with Wilf throwing heat at her.
Then yeah Kieran was voted off essentially because he wasn’t in their clique, and then Wilf was voted off because Kieran pushed him into a bus with his dying breath.
So yeah I think the only one close to sound deduction was Amanda but even then Wilf played a massive part in that and an element of “we have never suspected Amanda so it could be her.”
No one was truly rumbled.
Amanda trusting Theo the most, and then trying to vote him off the very next day was a red flag that led to her demise along with Wilf throwing heat at her.
Then yeah Kieran was voted off essentially because he wasn’t in their clique, and then Wilf was voted off because Kieran pushed him into a bus with his dying breath.
So yeah I think the only one close to sound deduction was Amanda but even then Wilf played a massive part in that and an element of “we have never suspected Amanda so it could be her.”
No one was truly rumbled.
I don’t follow.
Just thinking out loud. Ignore.
Meh, fair enough. I didn’t think it spoiled the ending at all. It Kieran hadn’t done that then Wilf would have won the game. Fact Kieran did what he did added an additional dimension to the ending. As I said, it was up to the faithfuls whether to believe Kieran or not. I have ko sympathy for Wilf because I found what he did to Kieran shitty. Man had no chance to win the second Wilf picked him to be a traitor as he clearly had every intention to back stab him without Kieran showing any signs he’d do it to Wilf.
I also didn’t think Wilf played that good of a game. He looked like a bag of nerves and guilt every round table meeting. People were just too stupid to see it. Amanda is the only one who played the game perfectly - until the point she turned on Theo randomly.
I also didn’t think Wilf played that good of a game. He looked like a bag of nerves and guilt every round table meeting. People were just too stupid to see it. Amanda is the only one who played the game perfectly - until the point she turned on Theo randomly.
I guess my problem with what Kieran did vs what Wilf did was just the context. Wilf used him as bait and back stabbed him as part of the game. It was a legit tactic that was pretty well thought out considering everyone were on the hunt for male traitor whilst what Kieran did had nothing to do with the game. It was just bitter and spiteful. He had nothing to gain from it. I don't think Wilf really stood a chance after Kieran outed him. You say it was up to the faithfuls to believe him or not but Hannah and Aaron quickly realised they had nothing to lose by eliminating Wilf, even if he had turned out to be a faithful. Worst case scenario, he's just another faithful gone, you just say sorry and move on. They had zero reason to chance it, so Wilf was toast the minute Kieran said his name. He even looked at Hannah and nodded at Wilf just to hammer it home. He might as well have pointed directly at Wilf and said 'that's the remaining traitor, it's him'
I also don't think Wilf had a choice in recruiting someone. I can't remember it now but the way they set it up, it seemed like he had to choose someone to give the ultimatum to, logic dictating it was always going to be Kieran or Aaron. So the producers kind of sealed Kieran's fate via Wilf
I guess my problem with what Kieran did vs what Wilf did was just the context. Wilf used him as bait and back stabbed him as part of the game. It was a legit tactic that was pretty well thought out considering everyone were on the hunt for male traitor whilst what Kieran did had nothing to do with the game. It was just bitter and spiteful. He had nothing to gain from it. I don't think Wilf really stood a chance after Kieran outed him. You say it was up to the faithfuls to believe him or not but Hannah and Aaron quickly realised they had nothing to lose by eliminating Wilf, even if he had turned out to be a faithful. Worst case scenario, he's just another faithful gone, you just say sorry and move on. They had zero reason to chance it, so Wilf was toast the minute Kieran said his name. He even looked at Hannah and nodded at Wilf just to hammer it home. He might as well have pointed directly at Wilf and said 'that's the remaining traitor, it's him'
I also don't think Wilf had a choice in recruiting someone. I can't remember it now but the way they set it up, it seemed like he had to choose someone to give the ultimatum to, logic dictating it was always going to be Kieran or Aaron. So the producers kind of sealed Kieran's fate via Wilf
Producers obviously affected things with what they did but the choice of traitor is on Wilf. He chose Kieran to betray him, every other option was better as an ally.
I guess my problem with what Kieran did vs what Wilf did was just the context. Wilf used him as bait and back stabbed him as part of the game. It was a legit tactic that was pretty well thought out considering everyone were on the hunt for male traitor whilst what Kieran did had nothing to do with the game. It was just bitter and spiteful. He had nothing to gain from it. I don't think Wilf really stood a chance after Kieran outed him. You say it was up to the faithfuls to believe him or not but Hannah and Aaron quickly realised they had nothing to lose by eliminating Wilf, even if he had turned out to be a faithful. Worst case scenario, he's just another faithful gone, you just say sorry and move on. They had zero reason to chance it, so Wilf was toast the minute Kieran said his name. He even looked at Hannah and nodded at Wilf just to hammer it home. He might as well have pointed directly at Wilf and said 'that's the remaining traitor, it's him'
I also don't think Wilf had a choice in recruiting someone. I can't remember it now but the way they set it up, it seemed like he had to choose someone to give the ultimatum to, logic dictating it was always going to be Kieran or Aaron. So the producers kind of sealed Kieran's fate via Wilf
Wilf only needed to convince them Kieran was being bitter and merely trying to stop him winning for conspiring, he didn’t manage it. Kieran swiping at his fellow traitor was purely because he wasn’t impressed with Wilf going round all day doing everything he could to turn people on him when they were allegedly a team.
No problem with it at all, if you’re a traitor and going to be the hunt leader then you can’t really complain when you get a parting shot. He’s just lucky Alyssa or Amanda didn’t do it sooner. Amanda probably would have done if she didn’t realise her own mistake after being by far the best player on either side
No problem with it at all, if you’re a traitor and going to be the hunt leader then you can’t really complain when you get a parting shot. He’s just lucky Alyssa or Amanda didn’t do it sooner. Amanda probably would have done if she didn’t realise her own mistake after being by far the best player on either side
Rayan said on social media that Alyssa fecked up when they were in the church doing a challenge by mocking Claudia saying "Hello Traitors" which made no sense as a Faithful as why would you know what Claudia says to them? I imagine that was discussed a lot at that round table where she went but for some reason the editors cut out that moment as well as everything mentioning it from what went on air.
The stuff with Amanda going from having Theo as her most trusted one minute to voting him out the next was also sound reasoning for voting for her.
And some started to get suspicious of Wilf voting for Fay as his most trusted over Hannah but he wormed his way around that. Voting both of them off for that would be fairly sound compared to voting Nicky off for not raising her glass as she doesn't have a right hand.
The stuff with Amanda going from having Theo as her most trusted one minute to voting him out the next was also sound reasoning for voting for her.
And some started to get suspicious of Wilf voting for Fay as his most trusted over Hannah but he wormed his way around that. Voting both of them off for that would be fairly sound compared to voting Nicky off for not raising her glass as she doesn't have a right hand.
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But they were on the hunt for a male traitor. Say he picked Aaron or Hannah and decided to partner with them as an ally, the rest of them were still convinced the remaining traitor was a guy, so if they then eliminated Kieran or Aaron and they turned out to be a faithful, they would know one of Wilf and Aaron/Kieran is the traitor, at that point they can just keep eliminating guys until it's just Hannah and Meryl standing. I thought picking Kieran to use him as bait was sound logic and good game play.
I just think telling others who the remaining traitor is goes against the spirit of the game. It almost makes the whole thing pointless if a bitter eliminated player can just do that. What if Alyssa had outed Amanda and Wilf out of spite early on, the entire game would have been ruined. Yes it's a hard pill to swallow to be betrayed like that, but on some level, you just have to respect the game is the game.
I would've picked Hannah tbh, she had his back more than anyone else. If he'd chosen her or Meryl then it would have been easy to vote off Kieran and I reckon both Hannah and Meryl would have sided with him over Aaron.
The idea wasn't bad but It's not great gameplay if you make it completely obvious that you're about to throw your team mate under the bus.
I think his main issue is that he wanted to take all the money for himself and he made decisions based on that. Amanda didn't need to be voted off when he betrayed her, even after the Theo thing people were looking more at a couple of others.
Kieran had to vote for somebody though, and given Wilf’s tactics he was in the firing line. Kieran didn’t have any reason to protect somebody who’s just stabbed him in the back.
And again you can just as easily have pointed out that he’s just bitter he’s been voted out and is blaming Wilf for costing the Traitors the victory. Wilf just didn’t have the skill set to do so
And again you can just as easily have pointed out that he’s just bitter he’s been voted out and is blaming Wilf for costing the Traitors the victory. Wilf just didn’t have the skill set to do so
Loved the show but did anyone else think it was staged? I've never seen so many grown men cry over nothing and apart from the exaggerated emotions just certain things flowed too smoothly like the banishment with equal votes and the traitor having the deciding vote. If it was then I don't really care because it worked and probably would be boring if they never did it but I think they definitely at least planted some actors in there to move things along and create tension.
Pretty easily explained by cameras being around the room, they have someone behind the scenes tallying up then starting announcing the votes at a person where the traitor is the decider. Producers will have done that for dramatic effect but if they do it again next series they'll be idiots as some contestants will be looking for patterns
I was just thinking that they all seemed adamant that the remaining traitor was a guy, so I think even if he had picked Hannah as an ally, the next person to be voted off at the round table was going to be Aaron or Kieran (most likely Kieran). Unless they completely moved off it and forgot about that theory and/or Meryl's trust in Wilf was totally unwavering, the logic follows that when Kieran stood up there and revealed he was a faithful, Meryl would have to look at Wilf or Aaron as the possible traitors and then if Hannah and Wilf successfully convince her Aaron's gotta go and they'd also have to convince her to end the game with Wilf still there.
Now looking at the pretty unflattering way Meryl came across, there's a good chance this could work and that Wilf could work with Hannah to manipulate Meryl into voting off Kieran and Aaron and then ending the game but this also relies on Hannah's ability to play a good traitor all the way to the end, which I really doubt she would be good at. Your strategy could have worked, but I think the better one is the one Wilf took - to choose Kieran and offer him up as the sacrificial lamb and it was working until Kieran, in my view, went against the spirit of the game and straight up told the faithfuls Wilf was the traitor
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I don't have problem with voting for Wilf. It's what he said post elimination. I do hear what you're saying, but I guess I see it as going against the spirit of the game to do that after you have been eliminated from the game.
I don't think they would have to get her to end the game, they could just vote her off at that point.
Oh yeah, that's true. I guess that could/would have been a better, less messy way to go about it.
Like many I binged it in a couple of days. Absolutely fantastic, probably the best reality show I have watched in years. Echo many of the immediate thoughts above but might add more later
Just finished it. An actually good reality show! So many tense moments.
I felt for Wilf. He played an absolute blinder really but just lost it at the end. Kieran dragging him down with him was great TV if nothing else and a tad bit game breaking. Felt really happy for Aaron though. Meryl didn’t really deserve it as she was pretty useless but that’s why she stayed alive.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/2023/bbc-acquires-the-traitors-us/
US version will be shown on BBC soon.
Cue even more ott facial expressions and reactions
US version will be shown on BBC soon.
Cue even more ott facial expressions and reactions
Of course they've dragged in a couple of reality TV people, because why not
Yeah as soon as I read that it put me right off.
Soon? That's tomorrow! Great news.
Of course they've dragged in a couple of reality TV people, because why not
I've seen the trailer for it as well (but thankfully didn't have volume on) and the missions are the same as the UK version as well. If they're in the same order as the UK one it is pretty spoilery for who makes it late into the game.
Personally I can't really abide American reality shows so wasn't going to watch it anyway but those who are interested in it I advise to keep clear of both the trailer and social media as the whole series is going to be put up in one go rather than being spread out.
I once watched an episode of Gordon Ramsay's kitchen nightmares US. Christ it was terrible.
I don't like watching them either, production is usually terrible.
We have a game of WW starting on Sunday in the newbies which is very similar to Traitors.
If any of you are interested in playing then go to this thread -
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/werewolf-sign-up-thread-the-battle-for-mount-olympus.474919/
@Damien can grant access if required. Just pm him politely.
If any of you are interested in playing then go to this thread -
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/werewolf-sign-up-thread-the-battle-for-mount-olympus.474919/
@Damien can grant access if required. Just pm him politely.
Depends how they act I guess. Theoretically America shouldn't be able to mess a show like this up, but you never know.