Yeah it's literally the one objective of the entire game.
Oh well, that would have been boring tbh. What happened made much better viewing.
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Oh well, that would have been boring tbh. What happened made much better viewing.
Or reduce the prize money for every faithful banished in the end game.
I don't think Leanne knew, or she would have voted to banish Jake after Frankie's mother plea
The best thing to do as a seer would be to confirm a faithful so that you have an ally for the end game, which Frankie tried to do but unfortunately chose the wrong person.
Thought Jake was going to miss out right at the end, glad he didn't though as I think he probably deserved it the most of the last three.
Not sure any of the faithfuls played a great game, just had some luck towards the end which swung it their way. Minah did okay up to a point but she made some poor decisions along the way and then attracted suspicion on her last mission by her comment which was stupid for the sake of an extra £2000. Charlotte made it far too complicated with the shield thing when Freddie would have more than likely been banished before the end anyway.
The seer came too late in the game really. If you're going to allow that then which ended up effectively ending any chance of the traitor winning, you might as well accept a possible all-faithful final and not force the recruit in the penultimate episode. You'd still end up with the drama of people getting voted out, if by some miracle they work out that the last 4 or 5 are all faithful and trust each other that would also make an interesting ending.
Not sure any of the faithfuls played a great game, just had some luck towards the end which swung it their way. Minah did okay up to a point but she made some poor decisions along the way and then attracted suspicion on her last mission by her comment which was stupid for the sake of an extra £2000. Charlotte made it far too complicated with the shield thing when Freddie would have more than likely been banished before the end anyway.
The seer came too late in the game really. If you're going to allow that then which ended up effectively ending any chance of the traitor winning, you might as well accept a possible all-faithful final and not force the recruit in the penultimate episode. You'd still end up with the drama of people getting voted out, if by some miracle they work out that the last 4 or 5 are all faithful and trust each other that would also make an interesting ending.
Agreed. Should have been a halfway point thing.
Be interesting how they do it going forward. They could maybe do it where 6 traitors are chosen at the start and then only 1 recruitment is allowed the whole game, or something like that.
That's a great idea
About 20 minutes into the episode and Leanne has already pissed me off. Frankie came in to breakfast and was very clearly shaken to the core, any idiot could see she was being honest about it. But it's going to go exactly as everybody said, they'll believe Charlotte as well and vote both off, then get rid of Alexander just in case and then that moron is going to win and i'm going to be even more pissed off.
It’s weird in that I really enjoyed all the series but it just doesn’t make sense.
What’s the point in finding a traitor if they just create another one in the banished place?
Any traitor that gets voted off near the end clearly stitches the other traitor up out of spite at the table. That should be stopped. The ‘parting gift’ from caught traitor that’s happened in a couple of series is nonsense.
No matter how many faithfuls are left at the end they will always just vote people off till there’s only two left as that’s an obvious thing to do to increase your own chance.
That seer thing was fecked, poor Frankie got totaly stitched with that.
And the worst of all is the duller you are the more chance you have of staying and winning.
What’s the point in finding a traitor if they just create another one in the banished place?
Any traitor that gets voted off near the end clearly stitches the other traitor up out of spite at the table. That should be stopped. The ‘parting gift’ from caught traitor that’s happened in a couple of series is nonsense.
No matter how many faithfuls are left at the end they will always just vote people off till there’s only two left as that’s an obvious thing to do to increase your own chance.
That seer thing was fecked, poor Frankie got totaly stitched with that.
And the worst of all is the duller you are the more chance you have of staying and winning.
feck Leanne, absolutely didn't deserve to win.
It makes the show more interesting to have roles like The Seer, but they should be incorporated into the show either right from the start or after the first week.
I still think an Assassin role would be brilliant. A player (serial killer in WW) who is neither faithful or traitor. The Traitors kill every other turn, they still make a selection but it won't go through. Instead the assassin chooses who to kill.
The assassin can also jump to a new player but only once after the assassin dies. (the assassin nominates a player each evening who they want to be their successor).
From the Faithfuls perspective they'll think it's a normal game. But the Traitors will know something is up after the second day when their murder doesn't go through. There's also the possibility that the assassin could name a traitor as their successor too. It'd be glorious.
I still think an Assassin role would be brilliant. A player (serial killer in WW) who is neither faithful or traitor. The Traitors kill every other turn, they still make a selection but it won't go through. Instead the assassin chooses who to kill.
The assassin can also jump to a new player but only once after the assassin dies. (the assassin nominates a player each evening who they want to be their successor).
From the Faithfuls perspective they'll think it's a normal game. But the Traitors will know something is up after the second day when their murder doesn't go through. There's also the possibility that the assassin could name a traitor as their successor too. It'd be glorious.
Need to get some caf members to be producers on the show let alone players.
I nominate @RedSky, as long as he provides an insane seer
I'd love them to do a proper Werewolf show. 24 players, 4 or 5 wolves, priest, seer, bodyguard, witness and hunter.
My browser history shows I usually root for the pretty blonde lesbian to have a happy ending. Not this time though.
So it’s just another separate traitor? I guess traitor v separate traitor adds something to the mix though.It makes the show more interesting to have roles like The Seer, but they should be incorporated into the show either right from the start or after the first week.
I still think an Assassin role would be brilliant. A player (serial killer in WW) who is neither faithful or traitor. The Traitors kill every other turn, they still make a selection but it won't go through. Instead the assassin chooses who to kill.
The assassin can also jump to a new player but only once after the assassin dies. (the assassin nominates a player each evening who they want to be their successor).
From the Faithfuls perspective they'll think it's a normal game. But the Traitors will know something is up after the second day when their murder doesn't go through. There's also the possibility that the assassin could name a traitor as their successor too. It'd be glorious.
They should stop one of the most entertaining moves in the game? Why?
Serves her right. She was too passive. Offering Charlotte a cup of tea instead of going straight on the offensive and outing her as a traitor was just stupid. She didn't deserve a penny.
The difference is they know exactly whats happening and has the ability to transfer the role onto someone else when they die. Which could mean that they share the prize fund if the new assassin wins. It also creates a problem for the Traitors as they don't have all the information for once.
You could even provide the Assassin with a one time use power of being able to kill someone directly before the Round Table. The producers love their drama so having a secret role like this provokes a massive amount of drama in the show.
This is the only decent suggestion I’ve seen so far. Be a head feck to be in there though
Why is that entertaining? Look at the guy in the first series. Played it perfect right through just to be stitched up out of spite by a traitor who’d been caught. It’s not in the spirit of the game
Wilf yeah he totally deserved the win
Still makes me really annoyed that season. He deserved the win. He is what that idiot in season 2 thought he was but was actually shit
And me
I don’t how know they can stop it but you shouldn’t really be allowed to basically go, yep I’m a traitor but before I go so is so and so
That was utter shite. What we all knew was going to happen, happened and all the dramatic music and moody camera shots in the world couldn't make it feel any other way.
I don't necessarily agree that it was always going to be boring either. Linda was shite, but Minah was decent up until the producers started over influencing everything. The last two seasons had plenty of morons early on but things always worked out in the end when they just let the game happen more naturally.
I get that they can't have it work the same each year, but spending 3/4 of the game giving the traitors massive advantages, only to turn that on its head with a game breaking advantage to the faithfuls right at the end doesn't make for satisfying TV.
I don't necessarily agree that it was always going to be boring either. Linda was shite, but Minah was decent up until the producers started over influencing everything. The last two seasons had plenty of morons early on but things always worked out in the end when they just let the game happen more naturally.
I get that they can't have it work the same each year, but spending 3/4 of the game giving the traitors massive advantages, only to turn that on its head with a game breaking advantage to the faithfuls right at the end doesn't make for satisfying TV.
They'd never add a serial killer for obvious reasons.
I doubt they have the sense to fix the seer either. It's never been a good role but at least make it anonymous so there's some element of skill to it.
I doubt they have the sense to fix the seer either. It's never been a good role but at least make it anonymous so there's some element of skill to it.
What reasons? The problem I see is that they don't seem to want to give people's roles, just one use abilities. Which tend to make games imbalanced but we all know they don't give a damn about the actual balance of the game. All they really care about is drama.
The integrity of the game and it's rules don't really seem to come into it. I can't remember from previous seasons but were traitors allowed to recruit and kill on the same night before? The players didn't seem to know that could happen?
And me
I don’t how know they can stop it but you shouldn’t really be allowed to basically go, yep I’m a traitor but before I go so is so and so
Well, that's up to the Traitors to not behave like assholes then and throw people under the bus that they just recruited.
Because they're too concerned about meeting 12 episodes. There's no way the producers are smart enough to be able to factor in another faction/another way for traitors to die.
If they tried all they'd be able to come up with is even more recruitments whenever traitors are murdered.
Sometimes you’d have to go against a fellow traitor, beforehand, at the table and vote out when everyone has clicked on and voting that way or you’ll stand out like a sore thumb. Thats what happened to wilf if my memory is right, then just gets pointed at as a parting gift.
Charlotte this time was too heavy handed yeah but it’s still shit how no one suspects her but then a fellow traitor puts her name on the card out of nowhere. It’s too obvious to ignore.
It absolutely is in the spirit of the game. It's the whole point. It isn't out of spite, it's to win more of the money. If as a contestant you think you're there to make friends, you're not paying attention.
Anything goes. If you get screwed over then that's on you.
But the people he's talking about had no chance of winning any money.
They’d already been voted out, what’s winning more money got to do with it, they had no money to win
For me Wilf did get screwed over by Kieran but thats because he of what he said after he got voted out - "parting gift". Freddie in my view was in his rights to put down Charlotte's name and try to go after her in the roundtable, all fair then. If you're a traitor and you backstab someone, you have to accept they may have a go back when the game is in play. It's a skill if you're a traitor to bring people along which Charlotte didn't really do.
Sorry, misunderstanding on my part. I see what you mean.
Yeah misunderstanding on my part sorry
I think if you're going to put the seer in that late, make it anonymous. I don't think Frankie would have been skilled enough to out Charlotte if they didn't know she was the seer. She was too nice, and Charlotte too ruthless, I think Charlotte would have got them onside. It would have been interesting to see what she would have done, as if she'd tried to turn it on Frankie too quickly the others may have twigged, or indeed, thought she was the seer
I think Alexander and Frankie were also victims of them not being able to say whether they were a traitor or not on leaving, had Charlotte said what she was, would they have voted to end the game? I certainly think Frankie would have been a lot safer, they all seemed to mistrust Alexander so may still have gone for him
The seer could be really interesting, if it was anonymous and introduced in the middle of the competition. Even not anonymous could work, as imagine they pick another faithful, but then that person gets recruited. Although maybe it would have to be anonymous, as the seer may give away they are a faithful, so the traitors would just murder to get rid of a clear faithful and break up an alliance
I don't think this season was as good, although its harder because last seasons ending was so good, it would have been hard to top. It did feel like they wanted a faithful win as people were so aggrieved by Harry's use of Molly (personally i thought he played a blinder).
I think Alexander and Frankie were also victims of them not being able to say whether they were a traitor or not on leaving, had Charlotte said what she was, would they have voted to end the game? I certainly think Frankie would have been a lot safer, they all seemed to mistrust Alexander so may still have gone for him
The seer could be really interesting, if it was anonymous and introduced in the middle of the competition. Even not anonymous could work, as imagine they pick another faithful, but then that person gets recruited. Although maybe it would have to be anonymous, as the seer may give away they are a faithful, so the traitors would just murder to get rid of a clear faithful and break up an alliance
I don't think this season was as good, although its harder because last seasons ending was so good, it would have been hard to top. It did feel like they wanted a faithful win as people were so aggrieved by Harry's use of Molly (personally i thought he played a blinder).
Paul? I wonder if they have changed the rules now that you can't just drop a fellow traitor in it after you are banished the way Kieran did Wilf.
I know Freddy voted for Charlotte but it was nowhere near what Kieran did.
I don't think it would have mattered who Frankie chose to find out what they were as Jake and Leanne would have still went after her and Alexander anyway.
Charlotte might have had a better chance if she wasn't asked by Frankie as Jake is the world's dumbest person but Leanne seemed to clock what Freddy was doing by voting for her
Anyone watching the US one?
We're just finishing the 4th episode of it
We're just finishing the 4th episode of it
I think Charlotte could've won if she didn't recruit Freddie, and did the "trick" on him by making him try to kill Leanne.
She had no suspicion on her before he voted for her in revenge.
Alexander admittedly screwed himself at that last roundtable, but still gutted was wasn't a winner, but he never really gained trust from anyone so he wasn't ever going to be there at the end.
As for just voting people off, it makes sense if you have enough support in the final four and enough doubt about others. I think it's fair to say Leanne and Jake never really had any trust in Alexander (based on idiotic assumptions, but still), and Frankie was probably suspecting everyone after that Charlotte reveal.
Then, not knowing Charlotte was a traitor, it made sense to vote off Frankie.
So I don't see a problem with them continuing to vote, everyone at the pit voted to banish in every round they were in, so there was clearly a massive lack of confidence. And as a faithful, it just makes more sense to reduce the chance to as small a percentage as possible.
I don't know, that actually felt like the most cynical group of the three series so far. I still can't get over Leanne's reaction to Alexander voting for her, right after she voted for him. Of all the people in that game she seemed the most incapable of seeing it from someone else's perspective. Which probably worked in her favour in the end, sad as it is to say.
As for just voting people off, it makes sense if you have enough support in the final four and enough doubt about others. I think it's fair to say Leanne and Jake never really had any trust in Alexander (based on idiotic assumptions, but still), and Frankie was probably suspecting everyone after that Charlotte reveal.
Then, not knowing Charlotte was a traitor, it made sense to vote off Frankie.
So I don't see a problem with them continuing to vote, everyone at the pit voted to banish in every round they were in, so there was clearly a massive lack of confidence. And as a faithful, it just makes more sense to reduce the chance to as small a percentage as possible.
I don't know, that actually felt like the most cynical group of the three series so far. I still can't get over Leanne's reaction to Alexander voting for her, right after she voted for him. Of all the people in that game she seemed the most incapable of seeing it from someone else's perspective. Which probably worked in her favour in the end, sad as it is to say.