Well yeah it's a gameshow for money where you win and others don't isn't it?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Ashwin @AR87 are here to discuss two "on-paper" not great results for United over the last week, but are there positive signs of progress despite what the ex-United pundits are saying?
They also preview the big game Europa League game against Lyon.
Maybe Leanne had a bad edit like Joe, she’s coming across really well on Uncloaked and Alexander and her seem to be good pals? Guess it’s all about the heat of the game.
Not entirely that simple though is it?
Voting out when you know damn well there isn't another traitor stinks of greed rather than it just being a gameshow.
It's like when someone takes a step back on the chase but the penalty is too high. Gameshow or not there's right and there's wrong.
Honestly if I was Charlotte, I reckon I would've just given up after the seer check. You're never going to get out of that situation still living, so it would've saved so much emotional energy and drama to just admit it and let the other 4 know they can split it between them.
I don't think Charlotte was a good traitor? It's all just about biases rather than being a good faithful or traitor. You could see on her face all the time that she wasn't very good at lying like Linda. Using crying as a manipulation tactic is really shitty too.
Feel sorry for Francesca really. The Seer is a shit position to be in because the smart thing for remaining people to do is just vote both people in that situation out as you don't know.
Jake was a deserving winner out of those that were left I felt. Was clever in getting out traitors early doors and also in the missions.
Feel sorry for Francesca really. The Seer is a shit position to be in because the smart thing for remaining people to do is just vote both people in that situation out as you don't know.
Jake was a deserving winner out of those that were left I felt. Was clever in getting out traitors early doors and also in the missions.
Yeah she wasn't that good. She started from a position of being the most-trusted faithful in the game and no one suspected a recruit had happened at that point. She done somewhat well to nudge Minah out without getting too caught up in it, but framing Freddie was a big mistake.
Yep! Didn’t let him speak. They all treated him badly.
Weirdly seemed like they were good mates outside of that but yeah she was a complete twat to him at every vote. He was only ever polite. The way all they leapt on him at the table for misremembering was wild.
Yep. She didn't really do anything good as a traitor. Framing Freddie was a short term win but fecked her in the final even if the Seer didn't exist because they'd have questioned why Freddie voted for her.
I know! I think he mixed up 2 different conversations. It’s annoying as he was so obviously a faithful.
In fairness, there's a good chance she wins had Frankie not got the Seer and picked her. Not sure what else she could have done and she did a pretty good job at even making it a contest at the final roundtable (although that may have been down to the edit - the voting seemed very definite).
I think Freddie voting for her would put enough doubt that she would have gone before the final two.
Ah yeah, having to recruit so late is actually a bit of a shit one. I think the best play is to recruit the person you get on best with and agree to try go to the end with them. Recruiting and immediately framing them was always going to come back to you.
I don't get why Charlotte was so quick to throw firstly Minah and then Freddie under the bus.
Also, both Frankie and Alexander both voted to keep the game going and have another vote.
I don’t think any of them knew ‘damn well’ that there wasn’t another traitor.
Also, both Frankie and Alexander both voted to keep the game going and have another vote.
To be fair, they’re both switched on enough to know that the others will, and looking to close it makes you look guilty.
Desperation for the money I reckon. Once she was a traitor and knew there was a chance to have it all for herself, especially since the others were so sure she was a faithful, it probably made sense in that desperation to cut them off ASAP.
Can't believe TV would do this
That is true!
Shit show of a final episode. All the faithful just banishing each other for money. Frankie was the worst surprisingly, desperately playing the mother card to Leanne and instantly voting Alexander even though he gave her coins in the challenge. She knew 100% both Alex and Jake were faithful but just wanted the money.
Yeah, agree with all that you've said. I don't think Leanne and Jake thought there were other traitors, they wanted the money.
Yeah but this is this year and it was boring til this stuff and would have been boring at the end without it.
Yeah but that’s what happened and it got more interesting with what they did.
Organic ending would have been the dull icing on the cake. Either an easy Charlotte win or Charlotte gets voted out at the very end because of the Freddie vote with everything else being exactly the same as what did happen, but with none of the drama. Is that really a better finale?
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Why on earth were they all so convinced there was another traitor? Did they not think any of the events though?
Frankie giving the faithful the win and being rewarded like that...
Frankie giving the faithful the win and being rewarded like that...
Charlotte's line about not taking Frankie to the end was a step too far tbh. I wouldn't be speaking to her again 
I think they were just caught up in it and fearing the worst. If there’s even the slightest bit of doubt it made sense for them to get rid and play the odds.
They also didn’t know Charlotte was a traitor til the end so they just eliminated anyone they had suspicions on.
I think Charlotte did Frankie dirty by saying do "not trust this woman".
I don't harbour as much ill will now towards Leanne as she started thinking more and more rationally during the last 2 or so episodes.
I don't harbour as much ill will now towards Leanne as she started thinking more and more rationally during the last 2 or so episodes.
Enjoyed it up until the forced recruitment.
I think the show runners probably underestimated the greed of the players. If Charlotte has picked someone to try and win together with they would have only needed to get through 1 vote and then would have been at even numbers.
Even if she picked Freddie and then killed someone rather than going for Leanne it would likely have been Alexander going next and then you've got 2v2 and a stalemate win.
I don't mind them having a single shot at recruitment early on in the game, but to force it whenever they go down to 1 just takes the shine off the game and makes a farce of it really.
I think the show runners probably underestimated the greed of the players. If Charlotte has picked someone to try and win together with they would have only needed to get through 1 vote and then would have been at even numbers.
Even if she picked Freddie and then killed someone rather than going for Leanne it would likely have been Alexander going next and then you've got 2v2 and a stalemate win.
I don't mind them having a single shot at recruitment early on in the game, but to force it whenever they go down to 1 just takes the shine off the game and makes a farce of it really.
I have no idea why people think she was a good traitor. I can only think because she acted ruthlessly.
She was useless in terms of strategy. It made no sense throwing Minah’s name out there so early, and her plan to get rid of Freddie was idiotic as once he realised she had screwed him over, he was only ever to put some suspicion on her - something she would have avoided if she had been less greedy. She wasted a chance to reduce the numbers by trying to frame someone who was probably going to get banished anyway.
They don't how many were picked at the start, so for all they knew there was still one or two more.
I also don't think having to cry to try and manipulate people or some really catty comments to Francesca (first at breakfast and then at the round table) is being a good traitor.
She’s just as guilty for voting red because she wanted Alexander out.
And Jake! I refuse to accept she genuinely thought Jake was a traitor.
That’s exactly the same as what I said would have happened? But Charlotte was likely going anyway after Freddie’s comment. So we’d have got exactly the same thing, possibly in a different order with less heat on Charlotte, but with none of the Frankie v Charlotte which is what’s actually entertaining.
It would have been a wet fish of an ending.
It wasn’t a manipulated win either. Are you forgetting they have a choice of whether to go for seer or not? And another choice of who to pick? Alexander chose the tactical play and it didn’t work out because of her own tactic which backfired.
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@hobbers is just grumpy about everything ever.
I don’t think this is true. At that point most people make the logical decision of getting rid of anyone they have even the tiniest doubt on and gamble on being in the last two with the person they trust the most.
Each extra person in the end game is a risk that has zero benefit for them. It will always make logical sense to trim the numbers as much as possible to make your odds better. It’s something they probably need to address. They should maybe make it so that the traitor needs to outnumber/reach parity with the faithful.
Exactly my view on it in the end. Charlotte messed up by deciding to screw Freddie straight away. It meant he would be motivated to screw her over as he did. You can’t just be a ruthless traitor, even Harry carried the Welsh guy to the end last year.
The Seer had a devastating impact but it was more of a poisoned chalice to the person who got it.
Yep. The ideal situation was to be in the position of someone like Jake or Leanne. No real suspicion on you and not the seer. Despite the seer being good in that it can catch a traitor it also means that anyone in the final should logically get rid of both parties that have that secret meeting.
I think the game should just end once they get all the traitors.
Yeah it's literally the one objective of the entire game.
Oh well, that would have been boring tbh. What happened made much better viewing.
Or reduce the prize money for every faithful banished in the end game.