Why don't you comment on this table? Why was Pogba the highest rated player in Serie A over the likes of Higuain (who had a stellar season), Dybala & Pjanic?
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The money isn't an issue for United so taking that out of the equation why is he a bad signing for our side and what are the negatives with him as a player?
What the feck are you on about now?
I get dozens and dozens and dozens of posts fired at me and I do my best to answer every one. If one slips through the net too bad - the poster concerned can always remind me if they are that bothered.
I'm close to the point of putting you on ignore. You make false claims, behave childishly and in the most nit--picking manner. I'm sick of it. How you ever got promoted is beyond me.
I've already said - read the thread.
Please go ahead & be my guest, looks like you can not take it when your imaginary claims are busted by facts and logic.Before you do so, please reply to these posts : https://www.redcafe.net/threads/the-spurs-thread-2016-2017-season.419369/page-18#post-19597242
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/the-spurs-thread-2016-2017-season.419369/page-19#post-19597282
Isn't there rules about attacking the poster?
This is not the first time he has tried to mildly insult a poster who did not agree with his opinions and tried to put a rebuttal with facts.Isn't there rules about attacking the poster?
If that's your assessment of him I genuinely question what you've actually seen of him bar the Euros.
You also say he has no energy then that he makes powerful driving runs? And passes sideways/backwards mostly?
Why don't you comment on this table? Why was Pogba the highest rated player in Serie A over the likes of Higuain (who had a stellar season), Dybala & Pjanic?
Wow ... a whole 0.38 rating more than Lucas Biglia (for example). That would make him 5.1% better than Biglia if my maths serve me well.
So, since you're so into Pogba-justifying stats, does that make Biglia 94.9% world class, or worth 94.9% of £100m? I guess it must.
Meanhile, back in the world of football as played not on paper, but on actual football pitches ...
That's a laugh ... your "rebuttal" has consisted of making false claims about what I've said, coupled with making ridiculous points.
I realize I'm new here, but shouldn't much of this discussion be happening in the Pogba thread?
That, or just change the name of this thread to "The Argue with Glaston Thread". It really is long overdue.
That, or just change the name of this thread to "The Argue with Glaston Thread". It really is long overdue.
It should, but it's Glaston who keeps on starting these discussions with the posters, by bringing United players, via his ridiculous and imaginary opinions on players as facts.
There was a time when I wondered why so many people got on Glaston spurs back
Or maybe some other spurs posters could raise the standard of conversation in here? Over to you mate
A player is worth as much as a club will pay. You seem obsessed about his value. I personally couldn't care less as for 1) United can afford it given the 510-520m revenue and 2) It's not my money!
Pogba improves an area of the pitch we have been trying to improve for several seasons now. That's why United fans are so happy about it (plus there's an air of sentiment given he was at the club as a kid)
For what it's worth, and from watching Pogba since he joined United in 2009, he's made for PL football and is a physical beast. Yes he's still developing but he has all the attributes and tools to be an even bigger star than he is. That's why he's so well rated by coaches such as Zidane, Guardiola, Sir Alex, Enrique and you very own Pochettino.
It's exciting times at United.
You seem to be the sensible one, let's put it this way. How much do you think Harry Kane's current market value should be, considering his contract with spurs and performance in the last two seasons?
Sorry but it takes two to tango. Glaston can only keep discussing his "ridiculous and imaginary opinions" as you call them if he has someone to discuss them with. There are plenty of other threads and posters to engage with and have meaningful discussion. If you don't like the debate with one, make your points and move on. It's obvious neither side in this debate is going to change their opinions. At this point, we've taken the dead horse, run it over with a semi-truck, burned it in an incinerator and fed it to a pack of hungry wolves. Yet people still insist on digging at Glaston and freaking the f*ck out whenever he shares the exact same opinions they've previously argued with him about. Very tiresome don't you think? It's a competition nobody is going to win, no matter how hard they try.
Thanks coach...
Considering the current market conditions? £60-£70 million. Maybe more. Kane doesn't have the flash that many players who go for big money do, but you can't argue with results. He's scored 20+ league goals in consecutive seasons including one golden boot. He's also only 23 years old. That's how much players go for these days. In truth, I think he's a more valuable commodity than Higuain (when taking into account future as well as present) and we all saw how much he just went for. Do I think it's right? No, not at all. But money in football transfers began defying logic years ago.
Actually, I was replying to @Twigginater who said: "These big players keep letting us down as well. Di Maria, Falcao and BS arrived with the most hype of our signings....". But then the likes of yourself insisted on butting in to make a federal issue out of it.
And you'll find that, outside the red-tinted confines of this board, the view that Pogba is well over-hyped is quite widespread. But then I guess for you, any opinion that dares to question the herd-orthodoxy of newly-found Pogba fan-boys, must be "ridiculous and imaginary".
And thus Pogba joins the ranks of the many players who are hailed as world class, or close to it, as soon as they are about to sign for United. I've seen all them come and go ... mostly go.
I agree with a lot of that (apart from that I haven't seen any digs at people who don't agree - I don't and haven't caught any real flack for it), but tbf a lot of the Pogba hype isn't just on here, he's pretty globally hyped to be a big thing.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/the-spurs-thread-2016-2017-season.419369/page-17#post-19597014There was a time when I wondered why so many people got on Glaston spurs back
Or maybe some other spurs posters could raise the standard of conversation in here? Over to you mate
Let's start there. I've made some other posts previously that I think are worthy conversation if you'd like to scroll back further. And I promise to do my part as best I can to raise the standard of conversation in this thread from it's current level, which can certainly be improved upon.
This doesn't change the fact of you making false claims concerning what I've said. It's a tactic I've noticed some adopt when their arguments are weak: put invented words in someones else's mouth and then make a series of points based on this.
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Of course Pogba is over hyped and overrated in terms of his market price.
Quite a lot of stuff you said about Pogba in the ridiculous posts below is totally rubbish & a number of posters seem to have responded to that, including me with facts and opinions:
For example you are saying a player who got a very good long range shot, is good in the air, is big and strong and can make powerful, driving runs forward does not have the sheer drive or ability, energy, commitment or willpower in him. Can't you see how ridiculous that sounds?
Your claims about passing sideways and backwards have already been encountered with stats in the earlier posts.
Fair enough, In my opinion your assessment is right on the money.
Now, If I reply to your post by saying Harry Kane is totally overrated and overpriced, because an 18 year old Marcus Rashford is doing better than what Harry Kane could ever do at that age. Also, Harry Kane was totally shit at Euros hence not a world class player. What would your reaction be? Won't it sound total rubbish to you?
I'd just leave it. He's totally contradicting himself - I pointed it out earlier. It's like saying he won't settle in England when he's lived in Manchester over 3 years previously and still has friends in the current squad. He also played English football.
If he wasn't bothered about Pogba he wouldn't be harping on about it. I couldn't care less what business Spurs do or what it costs them.
I think you have a decent team and your manager is doing a really good job of changing the mentality of the players to fight hard and not accept defeat easily. I thought he played it really well in the Chelsea game. You'll be competing for the top 4, but there are 6-7 teams fighting for it so its too early to know how it will pan out.
In terms of your post above, the guy you were responding to was just on the wind up.
Two pages back and Glaston has ignored the only other spurs poster on here. It speaks volumes that he's only interested in tit for tats with united posters. Theres a space opening up for a spurs fan that doesn't engage in needless arguments.
Having a good long range shot, or being good in the air, or being big and strong has no necessary connection with being energetic, or taking the games by the scruff of the neck, or having a strong will to win. What's ridiculous is to suggest that there is a necessary connection.
And making a some driving runs forwards does not necessarily equate to these things either. I've seen several games where Pogba mostly floats around to no great effect, with a few fancy tricks and flicks thrown in that flatter to deceive.
Pogba has made three substitute appearances in the Prem so far. It's a much more competitive league than Seria A. You might want to wait and see how he actually gets on before hailing him as this god-like figure.
Thanks for the reply. Absolutely it would sound rubbish to me. And I might make one or two posts indicating such. But otherwise I'd just let the rubbish speak for itself. Especially if it continued to be posted again and again. Would make my job as the opposing viewpoint much easier. I've said before that I disagree with Glaston's opinion about Pogba. But it's pretty clear that his opinion isn't changing. Especially not as a result of the interactions in this thread.
You are claiming I called & hailed Pogba as a "god-like figure" in my posts. I have never claimed it anywhere.
Now should I accuse you of being chlidish and a liar trying to "put invented words in someones else's mouth and then make a series of points based on this."?
It's not that contradictory really is it? It's pretty much how I'd imagine Yaya Touré being described.
I think we are on the same page. You are right about letting the rubbish speak for itself. I will take your advice & ignore his ridiculous posts on United Finace/United Players from now on. Looking forward to interacting with you more on this thread & reading your opinions as the season goes on.
Maybe - When taking separately into account. One would argue that a prime Yaya Toure imposed himself enough on (big) games for City. He is on the wane now due to his age.
It becomes contradictory in Pogba's case, when you combine the above qualities with Pogba's offensive passing stats (posted earlier) & his goals and assists return. What else does he need to do to impose himself on a game & show sheer drive or determination like Dele Alli for example?
Don't disagree with any of this. It's going to be a tough fight, no doubt about it. I just give us a slight edge based on the fact that I think we're a bit further along in our progression and more used to our manager's system than some of the other teams fighting for the same spots. On the flip side, our success also relies on young players finding the same level they were playing at last season and improving upon it. That is never a sure thing. But, again, I have full faith in Pochettino's ability to continue to cement his style/vision and develop our players.
Cheers. Looking forward to the discussion as well. The season can't come soon enough!
Come on. If everyone that thought you behaved childishly put you on ignore your be posting on a ghost forum or on craigslist.
On the contrary, I've engaged several times in this thread with other Spurs fans. And we don't end up having furious arguments.
As I've already said, I originally replied to a post from Twigginater, essentially agreeing with and expanding upon the sentiment he expressed. At which point I was bombarded with furious posts from every direction from other United fans, outraged that Pogba was not being rated highly enough to suit his apparent "world class" status.
Now, I could choose to ignore all these butting-in posts, in which case I get accused of ignoring arguments to which I have (it would be claimed) no answer. Or I can reply to them (it being after all a discussion forum), in which case I get accused of "de-railing" threads or only being interested in "tit for tat".
Either way, the dominant narrative seeks to cast me as the villain. But in truth, it's simply that some posters don't like hearing opinions contrary to the herd view and so get rather nasty or tricksy about it. I've seen in the Pogba thread how when any United fan dares to question the gung-ho rush, even mildly, they get ganged up on and shouted down. So when a Spurs fan like me offers criticism of Pogba and this proposed deal, they obviously like it even less.
And they like it even less than that when they realise that I won't be shouted down or bullied out of expressing my views.
I think each of the 6-7 teams have a for and against regarding how its going to pan out for them. I think your negative might be the intensity you play and working rotation into it. Im not totally convinced you have the quality to compensate if an important player is out injured. You probably have enough to handle fatigue, but if Alli and Eriksen were out for a similar period Im not sure you could perform as well, fair point?
You are claiming I called & hailed Pogba as a "god-like figure" in my posts. I have never claimed it anywhere.
Now should I accuse you of being chlidish and a liar trying to "put invented words in someones else's mouth and then make a series of points based on this."?
It's just an expression, don't get too hung up about it. Substitute "world class" if you wish.
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