I think you skipped over this post @GlastonSpurHe is clearly talking out of his backside when he says Pogba makes more sideways & bakward passes than Alli, has less Drive & does not take games by the scruff of the neck
You can bet your bottom dollar that he has not watched Pogba for 5 games outside the Euros. Here is a relevant passing comparison to put things into perspective.
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I guess I shouldn't expect any responses to my posts then? They seem far too reasonable and level-headed to warrant a response in this thread.
If Glaston is a WUM, which I don't think he is (just off base with some of his opinions), then he really is the best f*cking WUM I've ever seen. Posters in this thread are literally obsessed with him. Absolutely obsessed. They wait on his every post to respond with sarcasm, criticism and in some cases vitriol. Why? Aren't there better threads on this forum to be spending your time having reasonable discussion with posters that don't fill you with nearly as much anger and downright hatred? I come here after years of reading what I think is a great forum to have some positive, well-reasoned debate with opposition fans. Yet the Glaston obsession that many posters seem to have has made that virtually impossible.
Pretty sad. Especially considering, judging by many of the other threads, that this is a pretty damn good forum.
If Glaston is a WUM, which I don't think he is (just off base with some of his opinions), then he really is the best f*cking WUM I've ever seen. Posters in this thread are literally obsessed with him. Absolutely obsessed. They wait on his every post to respond with sarcasm, criticism and in some cases vitriol. Why? Aren't there better threads on this forum to be spending your time having reasonable discussion with posters that don't fill you with nearly as much anger and downright hatred? I come here after years of reading what I think is a great forum to have some positive, well-reasoned debate with opposition fans. Yet the Glaston obsession that many posters seem to have has made that virtually impossible.
Pretty sad. Especially considering, judging by many of the other threads, that this is a pretty damn good forum.
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Eriksen bettered Pogba's assist record, not merely matched it. The difference is that I don't claim that he's world class on the back of it.
And if it was Pogba's first season in a top league as a number 10, then so was it for Alli - except that he's 3 years younger, playing in a tougher league, and played played half the season in a deeper role. Despite all this he still got 10 goals and 9 assists in the league. The difference is again that I don't claim that he's world class on the back of it.
Did I claim he was world class on the back of it? Can you quote me on that?
That was in response to your bullshit claim he mainly passes backwards and sideways which begs the question why is his assist record so high? He doesn't even take corners or set plays to pad them up ala Eriksen.
Read my posts a bit slower next time. Better chance to keep up that way.
All this is totally irrelevant ... quite aside from the fact that Alli is 3 years younger than Pogba. For starters, I'm not claiming that Alli is world class, unlike many United fans re. Pogba.
Secondly, citing the achievements of a team/squad, and then using this to justify the alleged greatness of a player in that team/squad is incredibly weak.
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Don't worry about it, Pogba is world class. He was the best rated player in Serie A last season above the likes of Higuain, Dybala and Galston's fav pet Pjanic.
What is even better is Pogba's rating in tough away games is even better than his overall rating.
Edit - Now compare the same in PL last season, neither Eriksen nor Alli even make top 10
Not solely on the back of it, but you've implied it's part of the alleged "world class " proof. Twelve fecking assists isn't even that fantastic ... Ozil got 19, in a much tougher league.
It also represents 12 forward passes (assuming they were all passes) out of how many total passes? Hundred and hundreds is the answer. Do you know how many of these were forward passes aside from the 12? When you do know, come back and tell me more about the "bullshit claim he mainly passes backwards and sideways".
ROFLCOPTER is airborne. You are starting to sound a bit like a silly comedian now. Did you not read the squaka matrix posted earlier where it shows Pogba makes 29.61 Forward passes per 90 minutes? Can't you do the math which sums upto 993 Forward passes in total?
He is clearly talking out of his backside when he says Pogba makes more sideways & bakward passes than Alli, has less Drive & does not take games by the scruff of the neck
You can bet your bottom dollar that he has not watched Pogba for 5 games outside the Euros. Here is a relevant passing comparison to put things into perspective.
Are you blind to the above post? Does it not compute in your head?
Also you made the passes claim! The burden of proof is on you if anything
I don't mind @GlastonSpur but he let's himself down when he talks shit and is called out on it. Like here for instance. All the facts and stats about Pogba have been posted and it blows away his argument but rather than concede he's wrong he either ignores the posts or makes more things up.
That's why he comes across bitter.
Pogba is a superb player with much more to give. He'd improve any team that's why both Barca and Real were interested despite what they already have in those areas.
No, I have not cited any stats regarding sideways and backwards passes for Alli.
The rest of your reference - to less drive and not taking games by the scruff of the neck - does not really fall into the realm of stats (but is more evident from watching football). And even if it did, I have not cited any, merely given my view as a watcher of football.
So I say again, you have simply invented stats that I am supposed to have cited. Shame on you.
I watched the Euros and Alli was worse than Pogba and didn't show any drive. He couldn't take the game by the scruff of the neck against Iceland FFS. What does that tell us?
The "above post" in question made false claims about things I've not said ... as is so often the case unfortunately. So what, exactly, am I supposed to be blind to?
Suppose you tell us. And, even better, tell us why being better that Alli in the Euros goes towards showing that Pogba is world class.
This isn't your best effort buddy. It's pre season I get it but I expected you to at least keep yourself close to match fitness.
This is not a stat I've cited about Alli in relation to Pogba - it's a table that you've cited - so your original claim about what I've said stat-wise concerning Alli remains false. Shame on you.
And the table shows, in terms of forward passes, that a 19 year old Alli made 5.5% fewer forward passes than Pogba. Big fecking deal. I'm not the one trying to prove via stats that Alli is world class. And I'm not the one trying to prove that Pogba is worth 25 times what Spurs paid for Alli.
Good way of ducking answering my question, which was "what, exactly, am I supposed to be blind to?"
You seem to be using Alli as a yardstick so I'm showing you how bizarre your argument is.
I can only guess you're describing Pogba from what you have seen of him at the Euros as opposed to watching his development at United and Juve since 2009 as what you've said about him as a player including his playing style is utter nonsense. Makes me think you haven't seen all that much of him to be honest.
Is that how you price people these days?
Read it again:
Before asking throwing that question on the face of @cyberman, could not you compute & find out that Pogba has made more than 12 forward passes, on the basis of stats posted above? Why are you bringing Alli into this now?
I don't like answering the same question 3 times buddy / pal / old friend.
If those are the attacking stats of a player strolling around v Superman Alli who had this super duper season then I don't know what to tell you.
I have never read / seen anybody accuse Pogba of playing it safe.
Don't worry, you'll play yourself into form as the season progresses.
Making outlandish statements with nothing to back it up...sad to see
Then trying to claim superiority by daring people to disprove this ridiculous claim
You brought Alli and Erikesen into this.
Now you cry when the comparison doesn't back you up
Read it again:
Before asking throwing that question on the face of @cyberman, could not you compute & find out that Pogba has made more than 12 forward passes, on the basis of stats posted above? Why are you bringing Alli into this now?
Your level of discussion is childish and adds nothing. Do you think I don't know that Pogba made more forward passes than just the 12 assists?
So far, you've made false claims about stats that actually I haven't cited, and now you bring up a ludicrous point. It's not a great record.
I think it's pretty obvious @GlastonSpur has watched Pogba at the Euros and decided he's overrated. I doubt he's seen anything of him prior to that.
People are certain that United is going to finish above Tottenham (just like they were certain last summer) and that Pogba is going to be excellent.
So why does Glaston' opinion get people so frustrated or even matter to so many on here?
It's like United fans can't handle it if people don't view United as favourites for the title etc. despite the fact not one ball has been kicked.
So why does Glaston' opinion get people so frustrated or even matter to so many on here?
It's like United fans can't handle it if people don't view United as favourites for the title etc. despite the fact not one ball has been kicked.
OK, you seem to be accusing me of fudging your claims. Fair enough:
This is what you posted:
So, according to this above, Pogba does not have as much sheer drive like other midfielders namedroped b you above, which included Alli.
Pogba makes more Forward passes than Alli, has a better pass completion, better successful passes ratio, and a longer Average Pass Length. As shown in the comparison matrix below:
How does it show that Pogba has less "sheer drive" or less ability to take game by the "scruff of neck" as compared to Alli?
Also, why do you think Pogba was the Highest Rated player in Serie A last season, while Alli did not even make top 10 in PL?
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Why is the Spurs manager hoping Alli develops into an inferior player?
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/dele-alli-urged-become-tottenhams-7167392
Is he worried Alli can become TOO good?
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/dele-alli-urged-become-tottenhams-7167392
Is he worried Alli can become TOO good?
You brought Alli and Erikesen into this.
Now you cry when the comparison doesn't back you up
Back me in up in what? I'm not trying to prove via stats that Alli is world class. And I'm not trying to prove that Alli is worth £100m. That would be you regarding Pogba in both cases.
And if that table of stats is meant to prove that Pogab is world class and worth £100m then it fails miserably.
Many United fans on this forum also thought Pogba was overrated before the Euros. It's hardly been a controversial view. But now he's joining, nobody's allowed to openly state that they feel he's overrated anymore.
And many of the United fans who labelled him overrated before the Euros claimed they'd seen lots of him.
If you knew the number of "Forward Passes" aside from 12 assists, then why did you as cyberman to come back with an answer about the same?
I have.
For the last time. You claimed Pogba plays it safe yet his attacking stats shits over Allis.
So how does he play it safe?
R....e....a...d..... S.....l....o....w....l.....y....
Of course you can say he's overrated but don't make things up about him as a player which simply aren't true!
Ok so what have you seen of him and what do you think will make him a massive let down?
Because I hadn't seen the table at that point and didn't know the number of forward passes per 90 mins. And I still don't know the total number of passes of all kinds per 90 mins.
Your suggestion that I thought Pogba had only made ever 12 forwards passes - 1 per assist - during an entire season is just a totally bizarre thing to say. It's very revealng of the childish level of your engagement.
It seems like all the top coaches in the world rate Pogba but oppo fans know more and think he's overrated and unimpressive. Ok.
I think he wants less drive and more strolling around from Alli.
Only thing that makes sense
Without reading, you knew that content in that comparison matrix was not related to what you proclaimed earlier.
Why do you seem to be picking and choosing the posts to reply to?
I've already explained why I think he's hugely over-hyped and not remotely worth £100m and absurd wages. I've seen him play several times - at least 7 or 8 - for Juve.
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