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Thinking about things, both the cash only stuff and transfer windows wouldn't help the lower clubs, which is what mostly matters in this. They rely on using players in part exchange to kick-start their team.

Transfer windows would. It'd require Managers to sell in bulk near the window and that can only benefit them. Also allows the talent to spread better as it allows newbies who dont look obsessively at new players a chance to spot them.

Also the big clubs will squabble over the better talents which should allow smaller clubs to buy up the risers. Its takes more micro managing for clubs near to their squad caps which again benefits smaller clubs.
 
Transfer windows would. It'd require Managers to sell in bulk near the window and that can only benefit them. Also allows the talent to spread better as it allows newbies who dont look obsessively at new players a chance to spot them.

Also the big clubs will squabble over the better talents which should allow smaller clubs to buy up the risers. Its takes more micro managing for clubs near to their squad caps which again benefits smaller clubs.
And how do you propose they do that?
 
And how do you propose they do that?

Well theyd have to have the fees agreed beforehand. So when window opens they bid and accept right away, but by doing that it gives clubs not on their cap 12 hours, so they actually can pick and choose who they like.

So all clubs if they want to be active in the window (for the best talent) would need to have a few spaces free up which again helps distribute players across the board.

I think those that are complaining seriously havent thought this through. It benefits clubs with small squads.

Why not just try it for one season and see if it works? Dont see the problem in trying to freshen the game up.
 
Also transfer windows will stop unmanaged clubs from being raided mid season. Which will help bring in more people when they see that the AI hasnt bought loads of rubbish. Helps protect clubs when their Managers bugger off mid season.
 
I hate this game. I just know if i bid for someone, there will be 5 more bids from others. Cockroaches.
 
Well theyd have to have the fees agreed beforehand. So when window opens they bid and accept right away, but by doing that it gives clubs not on their cap 12 hours, so they actually can pick and choose who they like.

So all clubs if they want to be active in the window (for the best talent) would need to have a few spaces free up which again helps distribute players across the board.

I think those that are complaining seriously havent thought this through. It benefits clubs with small squads.

Why not just try it for one season and see if it works? Dont see the problem in trying to freshen the game up.
  1. Transfers can be cancelled anytime before they actually go through. Happen always
  2. It punishes clubs that actively scout for players (especially in unmanaged/external clubs) if there is only limited transfer window
  3. FFP already helps to "force" managers to decide who to keep and who to sell
  4. That 12 hours is going to be chaotic. Some people just want to watch the world burns
 
You guys in Division 1 do what you like, but I think things are as good as we can hope for in Division 2. Definitely keep players concerns OFF.

The only suggestion I have seen so far is take player exchange away. I don't offer players in exchange anymore because you lose money as they always sell for more to external clubs. And if I ever got lots of cash and had players other people would want, then if it was money only it wouldn't bother me because it wouldn't be any different. That would solve most of these problems you guys are discussing right?

So that makes sense, the only thing that needs changing is to stop players being used as p/ex in deals. Sorted.
 
You guys in Division 1 do what you like, but I think things are as good as we can hope for in Division 2.
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Definitely keep players concerns OFF.
Players concern will discourage managers from stockpiling players they don't really need. Think it is a good feature to keep
The only suggestion I have seen so far is take player exchange away. I don't offer players in exchange anymore because you lose money as they always sell for more to external clubs. And if I ever got lots of cash and had players other people would want, then if it was money only it wouldn't bother me because it wouldn't be any different. That would solve most of these problems you guys are discussing right?

So that makes sense, the only thing that needs changing is to stop players being used as p/ex in deals. Sorted.
2 issues I can think of now:
  1. Make things difficult for new manager that wants to start from small club (like what I and Kidderminster did), although there is low chance for it to happen with this new SM version
  2. Clubs that are on squad cap will need to sell before they can buy. Takes away some flexibility
Most of my transfers nowadays are cash-only anyway, except when I am too lazy to wait for AIs to bid
 
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Players concern will discourage managers from stockpiling players they don't really need. Think it is a good feature to keep

Not really, because lower division clubs can't build squads with lots of promising young players they want to keep to rise to use in future seasons, or sell to make money. Downside to everything.

EDIT! If players in the Youth Squad can't get concerns then have them on.

2 issues I can think of now:
  1. Make things difficult for new manager that wants to start from small club (like what I and Kidderminster did), although there is low chance for it to happen with this new SM version
  2. Clubs that are on squad cap will need to sell before they can buy. Takes away some flexibility

1. I don't see that as a problem really. It makes little difference.

2. Yeah, but i'm on my squad cap and it's just tough shit really, I'm trying to leave 1 or 2 spaces for situations like this. I've learnt it doesn't really work being bang on your limit. So will always try to be 1 or 2 below. After all you only really need say 16/17 first team players and subs unless you get unlucky with injuries. Wages kill you, and unless you get bad injuries, there's no real need for loads of expensive players. I'm using the rest of my spaces for what I said above, promising players to keep when they become Messi and Neymar, or to sell when they rise so I can buy better players.
 
Not really, because lower division clubs can't build squads with lots of promising young players they want to keep to rise to use in future seasons, or sell to make money. Downside to everything.
I see where you are coming from, but that is where extensive scouting comes into play. At times, I am forced to guess which talent can reach higher level, and sell the other one. Part of the challenge really. Div 1 clubs in general don't have financial issue, which means they can afford to stockpile players they don't really need. The likes of Marko Grujic (84) and Derlis Gonzalez (87), both now in concern, would have plenty of game time in my club

I don't have concern on cash-only deals, but some may. Just me thinking from different angles
 
As I said, if youth players can't get concerns then I don't see it as a problem and yeah, keep It on. If they can get concerns then it would feck a fair few people up. But players with concerns hasn't bothered anyone so far. I bid for players with concerns at various clubs, one was Reading I think, and they refused to sell and just kept the players regardless.
 
And I am happy with my squad, I wanted a midfielder and should have bid a week or so ago because the player I wanted I would have got and today he went for £20 million TWICE his asking price. Insane as he will drop soon due to his age. And I need a defender but that's it really. The rest i'm happy to keep for a couple of YEARS until they become world beaters. If not, I will sell, but I want to keep at least 40 of my 52 players at the moment.
 
As I said, if youth players can't get concerns then I don't see it as a problem and yeah, keep It on. If they can get concerns then it would feck a fair few people up. But players with concerns hasn't bothered anyone so far. I bid for players with concerns at various clubs, one was Reading I think, and they refused to sell and just kept the players regardless.
It comes to different style of management. I would sell players that I foresee won't get much game time before they develop concern. I had one on Gomez, but that was because he rose out-of-nowhere from 80 to 83, and it took me 1 season of game time to make him happy

Come to think of it, I am not sure if statement "cash is now easier to get" is true or not. Div 1 maybe, but not so for Div 2 and 3. We pretty much have to endure until season-end when we receive prize money
 
It comes to different style of management.

Yeah, I'm only in my second season, but I've bought loads of exciting young players, many won't do well, but many could, but I don't want bigger clubs to get them as I want to make money and move up to the top. Even if not, I still want to buy better and younger players and I can only do that with money. And to earn money I need to buy and sell. If i'm restricted from doing that because my players will get concerns and devalue and I'm forced to sell then I don't see much point to be honest. What's the point in buying youth players? I will never ever play them, no chance, they might get one or two cup games if they are lucky, but otherwise what's the point? That's why I asked if YOUTH players can get concerns if they are in the non existent youth team. If they can, well it will be near impossible to improve, if they can't then game on!
 
If cash-only is implemented, communication is very important especially when dealing with "player-swap" kind of deal. It boils down to trust, and both clubs must accept respective bids at around the same time, so that if one party cancels his bid thereafter, the other have enough time to do the same
 
Yeah, I'm only in my second season, but I've bought loads of exciting young players, many won't do well, but many could, but I don't want bigger clubs to get them as I want to make money and move up to the top. Even if not, I still want to buy better and younger players and I can only do that with money. And to earn money I need to buy and sell. If i'm restricted from doing that because my players will get concerns and devalue and I'm forced to sell then I don't see much point to be honest. What's the point in buying youth players? I will never ever play them, no chance, they might get one or two cup games if they are lucky, but otherwise what's the point? That's why I asked if YOUTH players can get concerns if they are in the non existent youth team. If they can, well it will be near impossible to improve, if they can't then game on!
hmmmmmmm
 
If cash-only is implemented, communication is very important especially when dealing with "player-swap" kind of deal. It boils down to trust, and both clubs must accept respective bids at around the same time, so that if one party cancels his bid thereafter, the other have enough time to do the same
So contradicting lol #MG
 
Also transfer windows will stop unmanaged clubs from being raided mid season. Which will help bring in more people when they see that the AI hasnt bought loads of rubbish. Helps protect clubs when their Managers bugger off mid season.
There is a feature to disable "buying from unmanaged clubs"
You cnuts are boring as feck, it only needs to be a 1 season test and most of that season will be during the summer break/euros.
Can't do anything this season, which spans until early Aug. Euro is in Jun-Jul. Next season is going to be Aug-Jan
 
My vote is no for both.

1. Window - scouting and transfers is what makes this game fun. Admittedly, I don't have the time anymore to scout like before but for those who do, wouldn't take it away from them. This game's ME isn't good enough to keep people hooked. Transfers and scouting is what does.

2. Cash only deals: would make life very bad for lower clubs and help the top ones a lot. Lower clubs don't have ready cash available to them so most of their deals are p/e wherein they don't lose anything if they get outbid. Forcing them to sell to generate cash without knowing whether they would get the player they bid for would feck them up. Wouldn't want that even though it helps top clubs like me a lot.
 
1. Window - No

2. Cash only deals - Undecided. I usually save enough cash to buy new players before selling any of mine. FFP helps me a lot. After that, it is down to proper planning and management. If I have to choose, I would say no.
 
Season 11 Current Managers

CLUB - CAF USER |DIVISION| |FFP| |S11 SQUAD VALUE|
  1. Manchester United - Damien |1| |42| |794.2m|
  2. Manchester City - JB7 |1| |46| |637.8m|
  3. Arsenal - Varun |1| |45| |556.4m|
  4. Nottingham Forest - RedSky |1| |49| |541.4m|
  5. Newcastle United - CrackersJr |1| |47| |515.3m|
  6. Everton - The Stain |1| |49| |497.6m|
  7. Tottenham Hotspur - Big-Red |1| |49| |476.6m|
  8. Sunderland - MJJ |1| |48| |444.6m|
  9. Darlington 1883 - Trionz |1| |50| |440.6m|
  10. Aston Villa - Gythio |1| |49| |395.7m|
  11. Chelsea - christy87 |1| |49| |372.4m|
  12. Fulham - infamous7 |1| |49| |342.3m|
  13. Liverpool - Herrera |1| |48| |335.1m|
  14. Blackburn Rovers - Akash |1| |49| |326.3m|
  15. Reading - cj_sparky |2| |55| |316.8m|
  16. Milton Keynes Dons - gaz1185 |1| |52| |288.0m|
  17. Queens Park Rangers - Reckless Full Back |2| |55| |266.9m|
  18. Southampton - Sepukku |1| |49| |257.2m|
  19. Norwich City - ? |1| |49| |253.2m|
  20. Wolverhampton Wanderers - Litterbug |1| |49| |213.3m|
  21. Ipswich Town - The Taureen |2| |54| |211.9m|
  22. West Ham United - CM10 |2| |51| |193.8m|
  23. Plymouth Argyle - Cassady |1| |50| |175.0m|
  24. Stoke City - MyOnlySolskjaer |2| |51| |163.4m|
  25. Bolton - ? |2| |51| |149.4m|
  26. Bristol City - harshad |1| |53| |144.2m|
  27. Derby County - langster |2| |53| |127.7m|
  28. Southend United - green_smiley |2| |58| |127.4m|
  29. AFC Bournemouth - Dans |2| |56| |116.0m|
  30. Birmingham City - Mciahel Goodman |2| |54| |98.5m|
  31. Charlton Athletic - Joaquin Joaquin |2| |55| |85.0m|
  32. West Bromwich Albion - JosDeVos |2| |54| |72.9m|
  33. Barnsley - Dom Gill |2| |55| |70.1m|
  34. Sheffield United - Anustart89 |3| |55| |67.4m|
  35. Bury - admrf |2| |58| |64.2m|
  36. Cardiff City - Ross Pugh |3| |55| |63.1m|
  37. Huddersfield Town - ChrisNelson |3| |57| |38.8m|
  38. Kidderminster Harriers - Fleet Footed |3| |61| |21.5m|

Banned Caftards

Newbie Caftards
Non Caftards
 
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Squad Size Restrictions (FFP)
  1. Manchester United - 42
  2. Arsenal - 45
  3. Manchester City - 46
  4. Newcastle United - 47
  5. Liverpool - 48
  6. Sunderland - 48
  7. Aston Villa - 49
  8. Blackburn Rovers - 49
  9. Chelsea - 49
  10. Everton - 49
  11. Fulham - 49
  12. Norwich City - 49
  13. Nottingham Forest - 49
  14. Southampton - 49
  15. Tottenham Hotspur - 49
  16. Wolverhampton Wanderers - 49
  17. Darlington 1883 - 50
  18. Plymouth Argyle - 50
  19. Bolton Wanderers - 51
  20. Stoke City - 51
  21. West Ham United - 51
  22. Milton Keynes Dons - 52
  23. Bristol City - 53
  24. Derby County - 53
  25. Birmingham City - 54
  26. Ipswich Town - 54
  27. West Bromwich Albion - 54
  28. Barnsley - 55
  29. Cardiff City - 55
  30. Charlton Athletic - 55
  31. Queens Park Rangers - 55
  32. Reading - 55
  33. Sheffield United - 55
  34. AFC Bournemouth - 56
  35. Huddersfield Town - 57
  36. Bury - 58
  37. Southend United - 58
  38. Kidderminster Harriers - 61
  39. Hereford FC - 65
 
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Let start next month

I will take the relatively-easier group of 20 teams

Managed Clubs (as of today)
Manchester United
Arsenal
Manchester City
Newcastle United
Sunderland
Everton
Nottingham Forest
Wolverhampton Wanderers
Tottenham Hotspur
Chelsea
Norwich City
Aston Villa
Blackburn Rovers
West Ham United
Stoke City
Bolton
Fulham
Darlington 1883

green_smiley (20)
Southampton
Plymouth Argyle
Liverpool
Derby County
Milton Keynes Dons
Birmingham City
Ipswich Town
West Bromwich Albion
Queens Park Rangers
Reading
Bristol City
Charlton Athletic
Sheffield United
AFC Bournemouth
Barnsley
Wigan Athletic
Huddersfield Town
Southend United
Bury
Kidderminster Harriers
@christy87 can you help on some, if not all, of the remaining clubs?

Any other volunteer? Much appreciated
 
Oh noes, i am over FFP again. Will sell 2 players in 2 days when their transfer ban is lifted.

Also, i am an idiot because i don't want to read random conversations? Is it me or the Soccer Manager thread has other rules than the general forum?
 
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There is a feature to disable "buying from unmanaged clubs"

No way! because then you wouldn't be able to buy from any clubs other than ones that are managed. So if new players get added you won't be able to buy them, then by the time you can, everyone will be after them. Stupid idea. The only way to stop unmanaged clubs being raided is honourable agreements between everyone OR @Damien takes over until a new manager is available.

OR! It's just a fact of the game and tough shit. When I joined Derby the club had just spend over £30m cash on Darren feckin Bent, Tom Ince and some other idiots I didn't want and were WAY over the price. AI clubs will always buy player that play for them in real life, you going to stop that too?

I don't understand why other players get precious about someone else's club getting raided? They didn't build the club and neither did the new owner. The transfer fee's are sorted more now so AI won't or can't overpay as much as they used to. So the club/player value isn't diminished as much as it used to be, or wouldn't be as much as mine was when I took over. Also it gives us lower league clubs chance to buy players that wouldn't have been available to us previously, and put's player back in to circulation. I've never bought from a recently unmanaged club before, but I can see many players I would like to buy if clubs became unmanaged.BUT! if everyone us so upset about the idea, then it's simple, as I said, Damien or someone just signs in to that club and takes it over until a new manager is found. Pretty simple really.

I honestly don't see where and why all this talk has started? Nothing suggested so far really makes any sense or is fair, and it certainly hasn't been thought out properly, or not from the point of a lower league club. The cash only transfer makes sense, I don't agree with @Varun above because as we discussed, most people don't bother with player swap anymore as you lose money in those deals, but even so, cash only isn't the worst idea and if everyone knew, they would always try to have cash ready. If a player is due to come up for sale, people will sell in advance and have the cash ready.

Transfer windows are stupid and wouldn't benefit anyone really. Certainly not smaller clubs who would spot a new player added, and could have bought him uncontested only for the window to prevent them, they wait, the window opens and everyone is in for the player.

I understand the top teams getting frustrated, but If you don't like it, give your team up and start again from a lower league. From my point of view, that's the point of the game, really I should have started at the bottom club and worked my way up, but I've invested heavily in Derby now and will stick with them because I love my squad and what I have done with the club.

Yes this game has faults, and I agree we should always look to improve it, but from what I have seen suggested at the moment, nothing (aside from cash only deals) makes any sense or would work or be fair, especially to lower league teams. It's hard enough for us guys down here as it is, without making it worse. THAT would only cause more players to leave, and certainly wouldn't attract many new players either. I love this game, despite its faults, but it is hard and it is definitely biased towards bigger teams with more money, but I've accepted that and get on with it, it would be nice to even that out, but the last thing I think the game needs is anymore rules that make that divide bigger.

Sorry for the long post, just pointing a few things out, and giving my opinions.
 
@langster cash only deals benefits the top clubs. Say a 5mil worth player becomes available. The top clubs can bid cash and as everyone has the same max bid, it comes to a lottery. If one of them get him, great, if not, no loss. For a div 2 club though, 10mil(max bid) isn't ready cash. So say they sell 2 players to generate funds. What if they lose the lottery? They gain nothing but have now lost 2 assets.

Cash only deals is great for top clubs but it will screw the lower clubs over. I have Arsenal so it works great for me but I'd still vote no because the league is great now with so many managers, don't want to screw them over.
 
@langster cash only deals benefits the top clubs. Say a 5mil worth player becomes available. The top clubs can bid cash and as everyone has the same max bid, it comes to a lottery. If one of them get him, great, if not, no loss. For a div 2 club though, 10mil(max bid) isn't ready cash. So say they sell 2 players to generate funds. What if they lose the lottery? They gain nothing but have now lost 2 assets.

Cash only deals is great for top clubs but it will screw the lower clubs over. I have Arsenal so it works great for me but I'd still vote no because the league is great now with so many managers, don't want to screw them over.

I see your point and that's fine, I just think (from the way I see it) that cash only deals make sense. I NEVER trade players in a deal anymore because when you sell a player you get more for them, so I always sell before I buy, and the extra money comes in very handy for us lower league clubs. I also never bid more than the player is worth. I simply can't afford to. I also can't afford to buy players for more than they are worth for them to only depreciate in value even more. It would just cripple my club, and I am sure most lower league clubs think exactly the same as that, and follow the same formula/rule.

Look at the lower divisions players, very few have young players with high ratings, we just can't afford them, we need players rated 89 and above, so can't afford to have a decent 86 or 87 in our club who is young and costs decent money. Hence why our leagues are filled with old players whose ratings drop a lot and are close to retirement, it's the only way we can get players with high ratings of 90 or above. I've sacrificed having players 90 or 91 and above for slightly younger 88 and 89 rated in the hope they will rise or keep their value.

That's why some of the recent deals have miffed me a little, like the 31 year old midfielder who was worth £10m and just went for £20m, because there's no way anyone else in a lower league would be able to afford him and at £10.5m he is a good buy for a smaller club. If top clubs keep overpaying THAT MUCH then it will force us smaller clubs completely out the game.