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The Taurean · Feb 26, 2021

The Stain said:
You're saying that the outgoing player would be confirmed sold even before the incoming player bid was accepted? That usually doesn't happen in these cases.

As you see, i sold him 5 hrs before the Conceicao bid went through. I don't see the problem here.

I meant if outgoing player bid was accepted before actually bidding on a player. Then yea, it gets confirmed quickly. Whereas the incoming player takes bit longer from my view.
Edit
Strike that. I forgot this was bidding war.

The Stain · Feb 26, 2021

The Taurean said:
I meant if outgoing player bid was accepted before actually bidding on a player. Then yea, it gets confirmed quickly. Whereas the incoming player takes bit longer from my view.

Yeah, exactly.

BenitoSTARR · Feb 26, 2021

The Stain said:
Let's get this cleared up. There is nothing specific in the FFP rules stating that you can not accept bid for a player then bid on another player if you are on your squad cap. People have been doing this forever. If it was the case, half the game world would be perma banned.

The rule states: "If you reach your squad cap, you may sign players but any deals would require 1 player in and 1 player out to ensure you remain on your squad cap". I accepted bids for 2 players before bidding for Conceicao. You can see that i sold them before the Conceicao transfer had been concluded in the news feed on SM.

The issue we've had before is people accepting bids for their players after bidding (where it was an obvious rule break after looking at the SM news feed) or people withdrawing the accepted bid for their player when they didn't win the bidding war (apparently, so i've been told).

If you want to change the rules then fine but i'm not going to accept a ban for something that has never been against the rules. Something people have been doing for as long as i can remember.

It’s been made clear before any bid you make is considered won and part of your squad.

The only question that needs answering is how many players were physically in your squad at the time of making the bid. The answer is you still had those two and then bid thus breaking the rule.

Im all for common sense on this and I think it should change but the rule has to change at the start of the season not part way through.

There are plenty of players I’d have bid on with accepted bids outgoing if we were all fine and dandy with it but I learnt from my ban this wasn’t something we can do.

BenitoSTARR · Feb 26, 2021

What should happen is you wait for those two players to be sold and out of the squad then you make the bid or use one in P/E

christy87 · Feb 26, 2021

If what I am understanding it’s completely different to what happened to you Ben he accepted a bid before bidding and thus once all bids were accepted his sale would be complete, whereas what happened to you was you accepted a bid at or around the same time the bids were accepted high risk manœuvre if I remember correctly

BenitoSTARR · Feb 26, 2021

christy87 said:
If what I am understanding it’s completely different to what happened to you Ben he accepted a bid before bidding and thus once all bids were accepted his sale would be complete, whereas what happened to you was you accepted a bid at or around the same time the bids were accepted high risk manœuvre if I remember correctly

No I accepted a bid well before!

My player also moved before the other player arrived hence me providing the screenshots to show it in the thread.

It was justified as you shouldn’t bid unless they are out of the club.

was justified as you shouldn’t bid unless they are out of the club.

BenitoSTARR · Feb 26, 2021

The fact is he made a bid while he had the players at the club it should be a ban based on the current rules.

I am 100% for changing them but under the current rules it’s a ban and I don’t think we change them part way through the season.

infamous7 · Feb 27, 2021

wow is the stain pulling a pablo

Damien · Feb 27, 2021

RedSky said:
I'm also pretty sure this subject came up a few years back and we made a ruling that you can only bid on players that allows you to comply to your FFP. I.E. You can't bid on 5 players if you've got 1 FFP space left. I'll see if I can find the discussion if this becomes an issue.

RedSky said:
FFP Rules - Anyone Breaking This From Now On Will Get A Kenwood Juicer Thrown At Their Heads

A club may not have a squad larger than his Max Squad limit.

Loaned In players will count to your squad size.

If your squad size exceeds your limit, your club will be banned from transferring any players in to the club. This includes P/E deals.

If you reach your squad cap, you may sign players but any deals would require 1 player in and 1 player out to ensure you remain on your squad cap

For teams with squads below the FFP, any bid made on a player shall be assumed to be won by the team bidding, and included in determining your squad limit for FFP.

Rules are pretty clear. Even though Stain accepted players before bidding, the bids for Conceicao were accepted before Stain's accepted bids were out of the club. In short, you have to either be below FFP before bidding, or at FFP but p/ex.

BenitoSTARR · Feb 27, 2021

Damien said:
Rules are pretty clear. Even though Stain accepted players before bidding, the bids for Conceicao were accepted before Stain's accepted bids were out of the club. In short, you have to either be below FFP before bidding, or at FFP but p/ex.

That’s how I understand it to be after my ban too.

I do sympathise with him because like me there was absolutely zero intent here but it happened.

The Stain · Feb 27, 2021

Alright, if i'm actually getting a ban for this when people have been doing this since forever and there is nothing in the rules about it i will just quit the game. This is ridiculous.

The Stain · Feb 27, 2021

@Benito

The Stain · Feb 27, 2021

@BenitoSTARR this is different to what happened to you. If this happened to you in the same way when people have always done it like this.. I would have defended you.

BenitoSTARR · Feb 27, 2021

The Stain said:
@BenitoSTARR this is different to what happened to you. If this happened to you in the same way when people have always done it like this.. I would have defended you.

I don’t think you had any intention to break the rules but as they are you did break them.

Nothing personal but it’s the same issue. The issue is the fact you bid while they were still in the squad.

The bids outgoing are still part of your squad.

Not worth quitting over it’s only a month.

The Stain · Feb 27, 2021

BenitoSTARR said:
I don’t think you had any intention to break the rules but as they are you did break them.

Nothing personal but it’s the same issue. The issue is the fact you bid while they were still in the squad.

The bids outgoing are still part of your squad.

Not worth quitting over it’s only a month.

You are new in the game world so i won't keep arguing with you. You're wrong, simple as. Yeah, it's only a month but i'd quit out of principle. I'm not going to be the first to get done for something people have always been doing. You've always been able to bid on players whilst on your squad cap if you have accepted bids for one of your players beforehand. Either change the rules to make them 100% clear and don't give me a ban or i'll quit. Then you'd change the rules anyways i'm sure because there is nothing in the rules about this. Utter bs this.

BenitoSTARR · Feb 27, 2021

The Stain said:
You are new in the game world so i won't keep arguing with you. You're wrong, simple as. Yeah, it's only a month but i'd quit out of principle. I'm not going to be the first to get done for something people have always been doing. You've always been able to bid on players whilst on your squad cap if you have accepted bids for one of your players beforehand. Either change the rules to make them 100% clear and don't give me a ban or i'll quit. Then you'd change the rules anyways i'm sure because there is nothing in the rules about this. Utter bs this.

I didn’t think we were arguing to be honest.

Also disagree with the bold as I was banned for that.

@Damien decides the rules and we all vote for changes.

Not sure what is gained from quitting? It’s a month?

infamous7 · Feb 27, 2021

oooo a lil emotional blackmail

Damien · Feb 28, 2021

Here's the discussion from about a year ago when Benito got a ban. There was a fair bit of talk about when x or y transfer completed, but it was irrelevant as Ravelation said, and @RedSky - the author of the FFP rules confirmed. Stain, I have no doubt that what you did was because you 100% believed that it would keep you in line with FFP but it was confirmed back then that you have to have the players out first before bidding.

Ravelation said:
To this and all others debating what time the bids were accepted, or when the players transferred;

It has nothing to do with the bid being ACCEPTED the rule is as follows;
''... any bid made on a player shall be assumed to be won by the team bidding, and included in determining your squad limit for FFP''

I was banned for this very same reason, and it was an honest mistake, even then, the rule of the loans for FFP was not written as air tight as possible and yet I still accepted my ban, if someone breaks a rule, they break a rule, the moderators of this group do an impressive job and accusing of bias is unfair, they've been terrific.

BenitoSTARR said:
By the same logic any bid received could be deemed accepted?

I understand the interpretation I just think it’s incredibly harsh when you can all see there was no attempt to get around FFP.

As I’ve said before Ill accept it just don’t see it as being just a season long ban for having Viera for an hour too long?

Ravelation said:
It's not an interpretation it's the rules.

it's not because you had Viera for an hour, it's because you made the bid while being at max FFP.

It's not a season long ban for this infraction, it's because it's your second infraction.

RedSky said:
Indeed.

Damien · Feb 28, 2021

Drew 1:1 at home to Middlesbrough on Thursday

Oblak (95)

Stones (90)↓ Van Dijk (96) Ramos (95) Alaba (94)
Rice (90)↓ Eriksen (92)
Sancho (92)-- Pulisic (91)↓ -- Sterling (94)

Mbappe (95)

Subs: Boateng (92), Trent (93)↑, Kounde (90), Gaya (91)↑, Zakaria (91), Goretzka (93)↑, Mina (89)
Suspended: Pedri (87)
Did not travel: Dest (87), Reyna (86), Bellingham (86)

Key:

= Goal

= Assist
= MOTM
↓ = Subbed off
↑ = Subbed on

Next three games:
MD07: Fulham (H)
CCGAG4: Juventus (A)
MD08: Bristol City (A)

Manchester United v Middlesbrough fixtures this season

Game	Utd Poss	Middlesbrough Poss	Utd Shots (SoT)	Middlesbrough Shots (SoT)	Utd Goals	Middlesbrough Goals	Utd SoT Conv.	Middlesbrough SoT Conv.
25th February: Utd v Middlesbrough	55%	45%	12 (8)	8 (2)	1	1	12.5%	50%
Combined	55%	45%	12 (8)	8 (2)	1	1	12.5%	50%

Damien · Feb 28, 2021

2:2 draw against 10-man Fulham. Screwed over by the match engine once again.

Oblak (95)

Trent (93)↓ Van Dijk (96) Ramos (95) Gaya (91)↓
Zakaria (91)↓ Alaba (94)
Sancho (92)-- Goretzka (93) -- Sterling (94)

Mbappe (95)

Subs: Boateng (92)↑, Stones (90), Kounde (90), Eriksen (93)↑, Rice (90), Pulisic (91)↑, Mina (89)
Did not travel: Dest (87), Pedri (87), Reyna (86), Bellingham (86)

Key:

= Goal

= Assist
= MOTM
↓ = Subbed off
↑ = Subbed on

Next three games:
CCGAG4: Juventus (A)
MD08: Bristol City (A)
MD09: Darlington (H)

Manchester United v Fulham fixtures this season

Game	Utd Poss	Fulham Poss	Utd Shots (SoT)	Fulham Shots (SoT)	Utd Goals	Fulham Goals	Utd SoT Conv.	Fulham SoT Conv.
28th February: Utd v Fulham	60%	40%	16 (7)	7 (3)	2	2	28.6%	66.6%
Combined	60%	40%	16 (7)	7 (3)	2	2	28.6%	66.6%

The Stain · Feb 28, 2021

Damien said:
Here's the discussion from about a year ago when Benito got a ban. There was a fair bit of talk about when x or y transfer completed, but it was irrelevant as Ravelation said, and @RedSky - the author of the FFP rules confirmed. Stain, I have no doubt that what you did was because you 100% believed that it would keep you in line with FFP but it was confirmed back then that you have to have the players out first before bidding.

Be great if these changes were in the OP. It doesn't say anything about in the rules. In fact, it should just be that you can't bid on players if you are on your squad cap after this, period. Disappointing that you're enforcing the ban when people have always been doing this. It has never been an issue as long as you accept a bid on one of your players before bidding. I'm not quitting over this, i've put too many hrs into my team. What i wrote the other day was in the heat of the moment. Still believe i shouldn't be banned for this but i'll go along with it.

BenitoSTARR · Feb 28, 2021

The Stain said:
Be great if these changes were in the OP. It doesn't say anything about in the rules. In fact, it should just be that you can't bid on players if you are on your squad cap after this, period. Disappointing that you're enforcing the ban when people have always been doing this. It has never been an issue as long as you accept a bid on one of your players before bidding. I'm not quitting over this, i've put too many hrs into my team. What i wrote the other day was in the heat of the moment. Still believe i shouldn't be banned for this but i'll go along with it.

P/E bids at squad cap are fine.

Glad you’re staying.

infamous7 · Feb 28, 2021

What the did the match engine do wrong.
2 nil up before the red
United lucky to get a draw

Damien · Mar 1, 2021

infamous7 said:
What the did the match engine do wrong.
2 nil up before the red
United lucky to get a draw

I thrashed you in the stats.

The Stain said:
Be great if these changes were in the OP. It doesn't say anything about in the rules. In fact, it should just be that you can't bid on players if you are on your squad cap after this, period. Disappointing that you're enforcing the ban when people have always been doing this. It has never been an issue as long as you accept a bid on one of your players before bidding. I'm not quitting over this, i've put too many hrs into my team. What i wrote the other day was in the heat of the moment. Still believe i shouldn't be banned for this but i'll go along with it.

I'm happy you're staying. Will amend the OP to make it clear that you have to either be below cap at time of bidding, or p/ex.

Will put youth table up later.

infamous7 · Mar 1, 2021

Damien said:
I thrashed you in the stats.

If that was the main thing I'd be top 4 every year

Also thrashed is being used a bit liberally considering vs 10 men whole Game

Damien · Mar 1, 2021

FFP Status (1 March 2021)

Div 1

Tottenham Hotspur - 38/42
Manchester United - 44/45
Arsenal - 48/48
Liverpool - 50/50
Sunderland - 50/51
Aston Villa - 49/52
Barnsley - 51/52
Bournemouth - 51/52
Cardiff City - 51/52
Chelsea - 51/52
Darlington - 50/52
Everton - 51/52
Fulham - 52/52
Ipswich Town - 51/52
Middlesbrough - 51/52
Nottingham Forest - 51/52
Southend United - 51/52
Wolverhampton Wanderers - 52/52
Bristol City - 51/53
Hereford - 54/54

Div 2

West Ham United - 45/50
Manchester City - 42/51
Newcastle United - 51/52
Blackburn Rovers - 48/54
Milton Keynes Dons - 52/54
Norwich City - 46/54
Southampton - 52/54
Leeds United - 52/55
Derby County - 39/56
Leicester City - 37/56
Charlton Athletic - 51/58
Preston North End - 24/58
Bury - 39/59
Kidderminster Harriers - 56/60
Gillingham - 54/61
Leyton Orient - 59/61

Thanks to @green_smiley for access to the spreadsheet for calculating team FFP.

March 2021 Youth Table

Position	Team	Points	# of Players
1	Southend United	62.9	18
2	Nottingham Forest	40.3	16
3	Fulham	34.6	16
4	Hereford	32.6	15
5	Newcastle United	31	13
=	Sunderland	31	12
7	Wolverhampton Wanderers	30.9	11
8	Manchester United	28	9
9	Middlesbrough	27.8	11
10	Barnsley	26.7	13
11	Arsenal	24.9	11
12	Leyton Orient	20.7	13
13	Everton	19.8	10
14	Kidderminster Harriers	19.7	11
15	Aston Villa	19.4	7
16	Manchester City	19.3	7
17	Chelsea	19	8
18	Bristol City	14.3	7
19	Blackburn Rovers	13.9	8
20	West Ham United	13.8	8
=	Liverpool	13.8	8
22	Cardiff City	13.5	5
23	Bury	13	5
24	Norwich City	12.1	5
25	Leeds United	11.6	7
26	Tottenham Hotspur	8.9	3
27	Milton Keynes Dons	8.8	5
=	Bournemouth	8.8	8
29	Darlington	8.5	6
30	Charlton Athletic	5.8	2
31	Gillingham	3.8	2
32	Ipswich Town	3.1	2
33	Southampton	1	1
=	Leicester City	1	1
35	Derby County	0	0
=	Preston North End	0	0

Formula
Age: 21yrs = 0pts; 20yrs = 0.3pts; 19yrs = 0.6pts ...
Rating: 82 = 1pts; 83 = 1.5pts; 84 = 2pts ...

And add them up

Players turning 22 in March

Team	Player	Rating	Birthday	Points
Arsenal	Dara O'Shea	83	4th	1.5
Chelsea	Armando Obispo	82	5th	1
Bury	Luca Pellegrini	86	7th	3
Chelsea	Ronald Araujo	85	7th	2.5
Norwich City	Ibrahima Diallo	84	8th	2
Bournemouth	Thierry Correia	82	9th	1
Norwich City	Carlos Cuesta	85	9th	2.5
West Ham United	Ibrahima Niane	85	11th	2.5
Chelsea	Igor Gomes	84	17th	2
Blackburn Rovers	Adrian Fein	83	18th	1.5
Fulham	Diogo Dalot	85	18th	2.5
Manchester City	Sebastiaan Bornauw	86	22nd	3
Bournemouth	Anel Ahmedhodzic	82	26th	1
Everton	Joao Jota	82	30th	1

Youngest managed players rated 82+

Rank	Team	Player	DOB	Age	Rating	Points
1	Manchester City	Rayan Cherki	17 Aug 2003	17	82	2.2
2	Manchester United	Jude Bellingham	29 Jun 2003	17	86	4.2
3	Aston Villa	Florian Wirtz	3 May 2003	17	85	3.7
4	Barnsley	Harvey Elliott	4 Apr 2003	17	82	2.2
5	Fulham	Jamal Musiala	26 Feb 2003	18	82	1.9
6	Tottenham Hotspur	Yunus Musah	29 Nov 2002	18	83	2.4
7	Manchester United	Pedri Gonzalez	25 Nov 2002	18	87	4.4
8	Southend United	Matias Arezo	21 Nov 2002	18	82	1.9
9	Manchester United	Giovanni Reyna	13 Nov 2002	18	86	3.9
10	Nottingham Forest	Eduardo Camavinga	10 Nov 2002	18	88	4.9

Top 10 youth players by points

Rank	Team	Player	Age	Rating	Points
1	Manchester United	Jadon Sancho	20	92	6.3
=	Hereford	Erling Braut Haland	20	92	6.3
3	Southend United	Matthijs de Ligt	21	92	6
4	Southend United	Alphonso Davies	20	91	5.8
5	Southend United	Kai Havertz	21	91	5.5
=	Tottenham Hotspur	Joao Felix	21	91	5.5
7	Southend United	Alessandro Bastoni	21	90	5
=	Chelsea	Ferran Torres	21	90	5
9	Nottingham Forest	Ansu Fati	18	88	4.9
=	Nottingham Forest	Eduardo Camavinga	18	88	4.9

A full breakdown of the youth table can be viewed HERE.

Damien · Mar 1, 2021

Another 4:0 win against Juventus.

Oblak (95)

Dest (87) Boateng (92) Stones (90)

Gaya (91)↓
Rice (90) Zakaria (91)↓
Sancho (92)↓ -- Pedri (87) -- Sterling (94)

Mbappe (95)

Subs: Van Dijk (96), Alaba (94)↑, Trent (93) Eriksen (92)↑, Goretzka (93), Pulisic (91)

↑, Mina (89)
Suspended: Kounde (90)
Did not travel: Kroos (95), Brandt (91), Elvedi (90), Bellingham (86)

Key:

= Goal

= Assist
= MOTM
↓ = Subbed off
↑ = Subbed on

Next three games:
MD08: Bristol City (A)
MD09: Darlington (H)
CCGAG5: Leipzig (H)

Manchester United v Juventus fixtures this season

Game	Utd Poss	Juventus Poss	Utd Shots (SoT)	Juventus Shots (SoT)	Utd Goals	Utd SoT Conv.	Juventus SoT Conv.
8th February: Utd v Juventus	73%	27%	24 (15)	2 (0)	4	26.7%	N/A
1st March: Juventus v Utd	68%	32%	26 (11)	5 (0)	4	36.4%	N/A
Combined	70.5%	29.5%	50 (26)	7 (0)	8	30.8%	N/A

CrackersJr · Mar 2, 2021

Damien said:
FFP Status (1 March 2021)

Div 1

Tottenham Hotspur - 38/42

Manchester United - 44/45

Arsenal - 48/48

Liverpool - 50/50

Sunderland - 50/51

Aston Villa - 49/52

Barnsley - 51/52

Bournemouth - 51/52

Cardiff City - 51/52

Chelsea - 51/52

Darlington - 50/52

Everton - 51/52

Fulham - 52/52

Ipswich Town - 51/52

Middlesbrough - 51/52

Nottingham Forest - 51/52

Southend United - 51/52

Wolverhampton Wanderers - 52/52

Bristol City - 51/53

Hereford - 54/54

Div 2

West Ham United - 45/50

Manchester City - 42/51

Newcastle United - 51/52

Blackburn Rovers - 48/54

Milton Keynes Dons - 52/54

Norwich City - 46/54

Southampton - 52/54

Leeds United - 52/55

Derby County - 39/56

Leicester City - 37/56

Charlton Athletic - 51/58

Preston North End - 24/58

Bury - 39/59

Kidderminster Harriers - 56/60

Gillingham - 54/61

Leyton Orient - 59/61

Thanks to @green_smiley for access to the spreadsheet for calculating team FFP.

March 2021 Youth Table

Position Team Points # of Players
1
Southend United
62.9
18
2
Nottingham Forest
40.3
16
3
Fulham
34.6
16
4
Hereford
32.6
15
5
Newcastle United
31
13
=
Sunderland
31
12
7
Wolverhampton Wanderers
30.9
11
8
Manchester United
28
9
9
Middlesbrough
27.8
11
10
Barnsley
26.7
13
11
Arsenal
24.9
11
12
Leyton Orient
20.7
13
13
Everton
19.8
10
14
Kidderminster Harriers
19.7
11
15
Aston Villa
19.4
7
16
Manchester City
19.3
7
17
Chelsea
19
8
18
Bristol City
14.3
7
19
Blackburn Rovers
13.9
8
20
West Ham United
13.8
8
=
Liverpool
13.8
8
22
Cardiff City
13.5
5
23
Bury
13
5
24
Norwich City
12.1
5
25
Leeds United
11.6
7
26
Tottenham Hotspur
8.9
3
27
Milton Keynes Dons
8.8
5
=
Bournemouth
8.8
8
29
Darlington
8.5
6
30
Charlton Athletic
5.8
2
31
Gillingham
3.8
2
32
Ipswich Town
3.1
2
33
Southampton
1
1
=
Leicester City
1
1
35
Derby County
0
0
=
Preston North End
0
0

Formula
Age: 21yrs = 0pts; 20yrs = 0.3pts; 19yrs = 0.6pts ...
Rating: 82 = 1pts; 83 = 1.5pts; 84 = 2pts ...

And add them up

Players turning 22 in March

Team Player Rating Birthday Points
Arsenal
Dara O'Shea
83
4th
1.5
Chelsea
Armando Obispo
82
5th
1
Bury
Luca Pellegrini
86
7th
3
Chelsea
Ronald Araujo
85
7th
2.5
Norwich City
Ibrahima Diallo
84
8th
2
Bournemouth
Thierry Correia
82
9th
1
Norwich City
Carlos Cuesta
85
9th
2.5
West Ham United
Ibrahima Niane
85
11th
2.5
Chelsea
Igor Gomes
84
17th
2
Blackburn Rovers
Adrian Fein
83
18th
1.5
Fulham
Diogo Dalot
85
18th
2.5
Manchester City
Sebastiaan Bornauw
86
22nd
3
Bournemouth
Anel Ahmedhodzic
82
26th
1
Everton
Joao Jota
82
30th
1

Youngest managed players rated 82+

Rank Team Player DOB Age Rating Points
1
Manchester City
Rayan Cherki
17 Aug 2003
17
82
2.2
2
Manchester United
Jude Bellingham
29 Jun 2003
17
86
4.2
3
Aston Villa
Florian Wirtz
3 May 2003
17
85
3.7
4
Barnsley
Harvey Elliott
4 Apr 2003
17
82
2.2
5
Fulham
Jamal Musiala
26 Feb 2003
18
82
1.9
6
Tottenham Hotspur
Yunus Musah
29 Nov 2002
18
83
2.4
7
Manchester United
Pedri Gonzalez
25 Nov 2002
18
87
4.4
8
Southend United
Matias Arezo
21 Nov 2002
18
82
1.9
9
Manchester United
Giovanni Reyna
13 Nov 2002
18
86
3.9
10
Nottingham Forest
Eduardo Camavinga
10 Nov 2002
18
88
4.9

Top 10 youth players by points

Rank Team Player Age Rating Points
1
Manchester United
Jadon Sancho
20
92
6.3
=
Hereford
Erling Braut Haland
20
92
6.3
3
Southend United
Matthijs de Ligt
21
92
6
4
Southend United
Alphonso Davies
20
91
5.8
5
Southend United
Kai Havertz
21
91
5.5
=
Tottenham Hotspur
Joao Felix
21
91
5.5
7
Southend United
Alessandro Bastoni
21
90
5
=
Chelsea
Ferran Torres
21
90
5
9
Nottingham Forest
Ansu Fati
18
88
4.9
=
Nottingham Forest
Eduardo Camavinga
18
88
4.9

A full breakdown of the youth table can be viewed HERE.

From 8th to 5th mostly from getting in Konate and Junior. Doubt I'll be getting any higher anytime soon.

Damien · Mar 4, 2021

Another 2:2 draw - against Bristol City. Third league draw on the trot. Conversion %s exactly the same as when I thrashed Fulham and drew with the same scoreline.

Oblak (95)

Kounde (90)↓ Van Dijk (96) Boateng (92) Alaba (94)
Rice (90)↓ Alaba (94)
Goretzka (93) -- Pulisic (91)

↓ -- Sterling (94)

Mbappe (95)

Subs: Stones (90)↑, Ramos (95), Trent (93)↑, Gaya (91), Zakaria (91)↑, Sancho (92), Mina (89)
Did not travel: Dest (87), Pedri (87), Reyna (86), Bellingham (86)

Key:

= Goal

= Assist
= MOTM
↓ = Subbed off
↑ = Subbed on

Next three games:
MD09: Darlington (H)
CCGAG5: Leipzig (H)
LCR2: Shrewsbury Town (A)

Manchester United v Bristol City fixtures this season

Game	Utd Poss	Bristol City Poss	Utd Shots (SoT)	Bristol City Shots (SoT)	Utd Goals	Bristol City Goals	Utd SoT Conv.	Bristol City SoT Conv.
4th March: Bristol City v Utd	62%	38%	20 (7)	9 (3)	2	2	28.6%	66.6%
Combined	62%	38%	20 (7)	9 (3)	2	2	28.6%	66.6%

Damien · Mar 4, 2021

My last three league games

Game	Utd Poss	Opposition Poss	Utd Shots (SoT)	Opposition Shots (SoT)	Utd Goals	Opposition Goals	Utd SoT Conv.	Opposition SoT Conv.
25th February: Utd v Middlesbrough	55%	45%	12 (8)	8 (2)	1	1	12.5%	50%
28th February: Utd v Fulham	60%	40%	16 (7)	7 (3)	2	2	28.6%	66.6%
4th March: Bristol City v Utd	62%	38%	20 (7)	9 (3)	2	2	28.6%	66.6%
Combined	59%	41%	48 (22)	24 (8)	5	5	22.7%	62.5%

harshad · Mar 4, 2021

Damien said:
Another 2:2 draw - against Bristol City. Third league draw on the trot. Conversion %s exactly the same as when I thrashed Fulham and drew with the same scoreline.

Oblak (95)

Kounde (90)↓ Van Dijk (96) Boateng (92) Alaba (94)
Rice (90)↓ Alaba (94)
Goretzka (93) -- Pulisic (91)↓ -- Sterling (94)
Mbappe (95)

Subs: Stones (90)↑, Ramos (95), Trent (93)↑, Gaya (91), Zakaria (91)↑, Sancho (92), Mina (89)
Did not travel: Dest (87), Pedri (87), Reyna (86), Bellingham (86)

Key:
= Goal
= Assist
= MOTM
↓ = Subbed off
↑ = Subbed on

Next three games:
MD09: Darlington (H)
CCGAG5: Leipzig (H)
LCR2: Shrewsbury Town (A)

Manchester United v Bristol City fixtures this season

Game Utd Poss Bristol City Poss Utd Shots (SoT) Bristol City Shots (SoT) Utd Goals Bristol City Goals Utd SoT Conv. Bristol City SoT Conv.
4th March: Bristol City v Utd
62%
38%
20 (7)
9 (3)
2
2
28.6%
66.6%
Combined
62%
38%
20 (7)
9 (3)
2
2
28.6%
66.6%

How? I played the second team as you asked.

He he he

infamous7 · Mar 6, 2021

Damien said:
My last three league games

Game Utd Poss Opposition Poss Utd Shots (SoT) Opposition Shots (SoT) Utd Goals Opposition Goals Utd SoT Conv. Opposition SoT Conv.
25th February: Utd v Middlesbrough
55%
45%
12 (8)
8 (2)
1
1
12.5%
50%
28th February: Utd v Fulham
60%
40%
16 (7)
7 (3)
2
2
28.6%
66.6%
4th March: Bristol City v Utd
62%
38%
20 (7)
9 (3)
2
2
28.6%
66.6%
Combined
59%
41%
48 (22)
24 (8)
5
5
22.7%
62.5%

Looks like Woodward needs to find a new manager

Damien · Mar 7, 2021

1:1

Oblak (95)

Kounde (90)↓ Ramos (95) Boateng (92)↓ Alaba (94)
Eriksen (92)

Goretzka (93)
Sancho (92) -- Pulisic (91)↓ -- Sterling (94)

Mbappe (95)

Subs: Stones (90), Van Dijk (96)↑, Trent (93)↑, Gaya (91), Zakaria (91), Rice (90)↑, Mina (89)
Did not travel: Pedri (87), Dest (87), Reyna (86), Bellingham (86)

Key:

= Goal

= Assist
= MOTM
↓ = Subbed off
↑ = Subbed on

Next three games:
CCGAG5: Leipzig (H)
LCR2: Shrewsbury Town (A)
MD10: Wolverhampton Wanderers (A)

Manchester United v Darlington fixtures this season

Game	Utd Poss	Darlington Poss	Utd Shots (SoT)	Darlington Shots (SoT)	Utd Goals	Darlington Goals	Utd SoT Conv.	Darlington SoT Conv.
6th February: Utd v Darlington (N - Super Cup)	57%	43%	17 (8)	8 (5)	0	3	0%	60%
7th March: Utd v Darlington (League)	53%	47%	14 (5)	10 (4)	1	1	20%	25%
Combined	55%	45%	31 (13)	18 (9)	1	4	7.7%	44.4%

Damien · Mar 9, 2021

4:0 victory against Leipzig. Mbappe now has 15 goals and 5 assists in 14 games this season.

Oblak (95)

Dest (87)↓ Zakaria (91) Boateng (92)

↓ Alaba (94)
Bellingham (86) Rice (90)↓
Reyna (86) -- Pedri (87) -- Sterling (94)

Mbappe (95)

Subs: Stones (90), Van Dijk (96)↑, Trent (93)↑, Gaya (91), Ramos (95), Goretzka (93)↑, Mina (89)
Did not travel: Eriksen (92), Sancho (92), Pulisic (91), Kounde (90)

Key:

= Goal

= Assist
= MOTM
↓ = Subbed off
↑ = Subbed on

Next three games:
LCR2: Shrewsbury Town (A)
MD10: Wolverhampton Wanderers (A)
MD11: Hereford (H)

Manchester United v Leipzig fixtures this season

Game	Utd Poss	Leipzig Poss	Utd Shots (SoT)	Leipzig Shots (SoT)	Utd Goals	Utd SoT Conv.	Leipzig SoT Conv.
15th February: Leipzig v Utd	72%	28%	27 (13)	7 (0)	3	23.1%	N/A
9th March: Utd v Leipzig	74%	26%	26 (12)	8 (1)	4	23.1%	0%
Combined	73%	27%	53 (25)	15 (1)	7	28%	0%

Damien · Mar 9, 2021

4:0 victory against Shrewsbury Town. Loss to Wolves up next.

Oblak (95)

Stones (90)↓ Kounde (90) Boateng (92) Gaya (91)
Rice (90)

Zakaria (91)↓
Reyna (86)

-- Pedri (87) -- Pulisic (91)

↓
Mina (89)

Subs: Dest (87)↑, Van Dijk (96), Trent (93), Ramos (95), Bellingham (86)↑, Boudaoui (82)↑, Mbappe (95)
Did not travel: Alaba (94), Sterling (94), Goretzka (93), Eriksen (92), Sancho (92)

Key:

= Goal

= Assist
= MOTM
↓ = Subbed off
↑ = Subbed on

Next three games:
MD10: Wolverhampton Wanderers (A)
MD11: Hereford (H)
CCGAG6: Villarreal (H)

Manchester United v Shrewsbury Town fixtures this season

Game	Utd Poss	Shrewsbury Poss	Utd Shots (SoT)	Shrewsbury Shots (SoT)	Utd Goals	Shrewsbury Goals	Utd SoT Conv.	Shrewsbury SoT Conv.
9th March: Shrewsbury Town v Utd	74%	26%	22 (11)	7 (0)	4	0	36.4%	N/A
Combined	74%	26%	22 (11)	7 (0)	4	0	36.4%	N/A

Ravelation · Mar 9, 2021

In regards to the rule about the whole FFP business, Damien, can i lobby you to include it in the OP clearly stating that ;
''Accepted bids on an outgoing player does not count towards the calculation of your FFP and can only be counted after the transfer is completed''.

I've seen many manager fall victim to this over and over again, and it's one where nobody is trying to cheat, it's just a common mistake, I'd be more than happy to cancel stain's punishment, and still keep mine enforced if it means stain will stay. Does not bother me.

EDIT: sorry i'm late to the party just realised stains staying.

Damien · Mar 9, 2021

Ravelation said:
In regards to the rule about the whole FFP business, Damien, can i lobby you to include it in the OP clearly stating that ;
''Accepted bids on an outgoing player does not count towards the calculation of your FFP and can only be counted after the transfer is completed''.

I've seen many manager fall victim to this over and over again, and it's one where nobody is trying to cheat, it's just a common mistake, I'd be more than happy to cancel stain's punishment, and still keep mine enforced if it means stain will stay. Does not bother me.

EDIT: sorry i'm late to the party just realised stains staying.

I changed the OP after Stain's FFP violation but your text is more succinct.

Damien · Mar 11, 2021

I was right. 2:1 win for Wolves - second time I've missed a penalty in as many weeks. Edging closer and closer to a relegation scrap.

Oblak (95)

Stones (90)↓ Van Dijk (96) Ramos (95) Alaba (94)
Zakaria (91)↓ Trent (93)
Sancho (92) -- Goretzka (93) -- Sterling (94)
Mbappe (95)

Subs: Gaya (91), Kounde (90), Rice (90), Boateng (92), Eriksen (92)↑, Pulisic (91)

↑, Mina (89)
Did not travel: Dest (87), Pedri (87), Reyna (86), Bellingham (86)

Key:

= Goal

= Assist
= MOTM
↓ = Subbed off
↑ = Subbed on

Next three games:
MD11: Hereford (H)
CCGAG6: Villarreal (H)
LSR2: Queens Park Rangers (H)

Manchester United v Wolverhampton Wanderers fixtures this season

Game	Utd Poss	Wolves Poss	Utd Shots (SoT)	Wolves Shots (SoT)	Utd Goals	Wolves Goals	Utd SoT Conv.	Wolves SoT Conv.
11th March: Wolves v Utd	53%	47%	10 (1)	8 (5)	1	2	100%	40%
Combined	53%	47%	10 (1)	8 (5)	1	2	100%	40%

Damien · Mar 12, 2021

A few of United's top league scorers

I'm sure there are plenty of names I've forgotten. Mbappe will probably go on to do better than Griezmann, though that is 50/50 with my weakened squad and reduced prospects of success in the league. Messi will be unmatched at United.

Damien · Mar 15, 2021

3:0 victory against Hereford.

Oblak (95)

Trent (93) Van Dijk (96) Ramos (95) Alaba (94)
Rice (90)↓ Eriksen (92)
Sancho (92) -- Pulisic (91)↓ -- Sterling (94)

Mbappe (95)

Subs: Gaya (91), Kounde (90), Zakaria (91)↑, Boateng (92), Stones (90)↑, Goretzka (93), Mina (89)
Did not travel: Dest (87), Pedri (87), Reyna (86), Bellingham (86)

Key:

= Goal

= Assist
= MOTM
↓ = Subbed off
↑ = Subbed on

Next three games:
CCGAG6: Villarreal (H)
LSR2: Queens Park Rangers (H)
MD12: Barnsley (A)

Manchester United v Hereford fixtures this season

Game	Utd Poss	Hereford Poss	Utd Shots (SoT)	Hereford Shots (SoT)	Utd Goals	Hereford Goals	Utd SoT Conv.	Hereford SoT Conv.
14th March: Utd v Hereford	58%	42%	14 (5)	7 (1)	3	0	60%	0%
Combined	58%	42%	14 (5)	7 (1)	3	0	60%	0%

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