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Damien · Nov 11, 2020

Major honours left by remaining Cup and Shield teams:

Cup

(12) Darlington (totally-not-a-top-club) - Aston Villa (3)
(2) West Ham United - Ipswich Town (2)
(0) Middlesbrough - Newcastle United (3)
(0) Charlon Athletic - Fulham (3)

Shield

(12) United Cup conquerers Darlington - United Shield conquerers Everton (12)
(2) Liverpool - Ipswich Town (2)
(14) Manchester City - Norwich City (0)
(4) Sunderland - Southend United (0)
(0) Derby County - Leyton Orient (0)
(0) Bristol City - Hereford (0)
(0) Burton Albion - Tottenham Hotspur (3)
(3) Newcastle United - Middlesbrough (0) < getting the United v Villa treatment from last season

Damien · Nov 11, 2020

Now I know how Didier Drogba felt after that game against Barcelona. Lost 2:0 to Aston Villa.

Oblak (95)

Trent (93) Zakaria (91)↓ Ramos (95) Alaba (93)
Eriksen (93) Kroos (95)
Mbappe (95) -- Goretzka (92)↓ -- Sterling (94)↓
Griezmann (94)

Subs: Gaya (91), Christensen (90), Boateng (91), Brandt (91), Van Dijk (96)↑, Pulisic (91)↑, Sancho (92)↑
Did not travel: Kovacic (91), Elvedi (90), Vinicius Jr (89)

Key:

= Goal

= Assist
= MOTM
↓ = Subbed off
↑ = Subbed on

Next three games:
MD18: Hereford (H)
MD19: Southend United (A)
MD20: Sunderland (A)

Manchester United v Aston Villa fixtures this season

Game	Utd Poss	Aston Villa Poss	Utd Shots (SoT)	Aston Villa Shots (SoT)	Utd Goals	Aston Villa Goals	Utd SoT Conv.	Aston Villa SoT Conv.
27th September: Aston Villa v Utd	56%	44%	12 (5)	7 (6)	2	1	40%	16.7%
10th November: Utd v Aston Villa (Cup)	59%	41%	16 (9)	7 (2)	0	2	0%	100%
Combined	57.5%	42.5%	28 (14)	14 (8)	2	3	14.3%	37.5%

Damien · Nov 11, 2020

The stats were pretty much a carbon copy of my Shield exit to Everton as well.

Game	Utd Poss	Opposition Poss	Utd Shots (SoT)	Opposition Shots (SoT)	Utd Goals	Opposition Goals	Utd SoT Conv.	Opposition SoT Conv.
6th October: Utd v Everton (Shield)	60%	40%	19 (8)	5 (2)	1	2	12.5%	100%
10th November: Utd v Aston Villa (Cup)	59%	41%	16 (9)	7 (2)	0	2	0%	100%
Combined	59.5%	40.5%	35 (17)	12 (4)	1	4	5.9%	100%

Damien · Nov 11, 2020

A list of all the games I've conceded 2 goals from 2 shots on target this season against managed opposition

Game	Utd Poss	Opposition Poss	Utd Shots (SoT)	Opposition Shots (SoT)	Utd Goals	Opposition Goals	Utd SoT Conv.	Opposition SoT Conv.
24th September: Utd v Spurs (League)	63%	37%	16 (8)	6 (2)	2	2	25%	100%
6th October: Utd v Everton (Shield)	60%	40%	19 (8)	5 (2)	1	2	12.5%	100%
1st November: Everton v Utd (League)	49%	51%	14 (5)	10 (2)	0	2	0%	100%
5th November: Utd v Bristol City (League)	70%	30%	23 (9)	5 (2)	3	2	33.3%	100%
10th November: Utd v Aston Villa (Cup)	59%	41%	16 (9)	7 (2)	0	2	0%	100%
Combined	60.2%	39.8%	88 (39)	33 (10)	6	10	15.4%	100%

Four of them at home, and two in my last two home games. @RedSky is guaranteed to score 2 goals from 2 shots on target tomorrow.

I also conceded 2 goals from 2 shots on target in the 5:2 win against Leicester City in the Cup.

RedSky · Nov 11, 2020

You'll trash me Damo. I accept it.

Ravelation · Nov 11, 2020

Damien said:
Darlington are third on the major honours list. You are a top club.

Shhhhh, I'm undercover.

Damien · Nov 12, 2020

My plucky reserves pulled off an upset, coming back from behind to beat a formidable Hereford side 3:1. Next three games are going to be hell. Can see 0/9 points happening.

Oblak (95)

Christensen (90)↓ Zakaria (91)↓ Van Dijk (96) Gaya (91)
Kovacic (91) Brandt (91)

Sancho (92) -- Vinicius Jr (89)↓ -- Goretzka (92)

Sterling (94)

Subs: Elvedi (90)↑, Boateng (91)↑, Trent (93), Kroos (95), Ramos (95), Pulisic (91)

↑, Griezmann (94)
Did not travel: Mbappe (95), Alaba (93), Eriksen (93)

Key:

= Goal

= Assist
= MOTM
↓ = Subbed off
↑ = Subbed on

Next three games:
MD19: Southend United (A)
MD20: Sunderland (A)
MD21: Nottingham Forest (H)

Manchester United v Hereford fixtures this season

Game	Utd Poss	Hereford Poss	Utd Shots (SoT)	Hereford Shots (SoT)	Utd Goals	Hereford Goals	Utd SoT Conv.	Hereford SoT Conv.
27th September: Aston Villa v Utd	57%	43%	13 (7)	8 (3)	3	1	42.9%	33.3%
Combined	57%	43%	13 (7)	8 (3)	3	1	42.9%	33.3%

BenitoSTARR · Nov 12, 2020

Damien said:
My plucky reserves pulled off an upset, coming back from behind to beat a formidable Hereford side 3:1. Next three games are going to be hell. Can see 0/9 points happening.

Oblak (95)

Christensen (90)↓ Zakaria (91)↓ Van Dijk (96) Gaya (91)
Kovacic (91) Brandt (91)
Sancho (92) -- Vinicius Jr (89)↓ -- Goretzka (92)
Sterling (94)

Subs: Elvedi (90)↑, Boateng (91)↑, Trent (93), Kroos (95), Ramos (95), Pulisic (91)↑, Griezmann (94)
Did not travel: Mbappe (95), Alaba (93), Eriksen (93)

Key:
= Goal
= Assist
= MOTM
↓ = Subbed off
↑ = Subbed on

Next three games:
MD19: Southend United (A)
MD20: Sunderland (A)
MD21: Nottingham Forest (H)

Manchester United v Hereford fixtures this season

Game Utd Poss Hereford Poss Utd Shots (SoT) Hereford Shots (SoT) Utd Goals Hereford Goals Utd SoT Conv. Hereford SoT Conv.
27th September: Aston Villa v Utd
57%
43%
13 (7)
8 (3)
3
1
42.9%
33.3%
Combined
57%
43%
13 (7)
8 (3)
3
1
42.9%
33.3%

Plucky reserves average rating 92

Damien · Nov 12, 2020

BenitoSTARR said:
Plucky reserves average rating 92

BenitoSTARR · Nov 12, 2020

Damien said:

BenitoSTARR · Nov 15, 2020

Southend may have broken FFP

Borel moved to them 15 mins ago making them at 52 players but at the same time they had an accepted bid on Frances 20mins ago. They had two accepted bids one of which drove the price of Frances up for Fulham as it would have been uncontested?

I thought any bids were assumed won therefore surely it’s a rule break?

Damien · Nov 15, 2020

BenitoSTARR said:
Southend may have broken FFP

Borel moved to them 15 mins ago making them at 52 players but at the same time they had an accepted bid on Frances 20mins ago. They had two accepted bids one of which drove the price of Frances up for Fulham as it would have been uncontested?

I thought any bids were assumed won therefore surely it’s a rule break?

Need photographic evidence please.

@infamous7 is definitely banned though. FFP 52

Banned until Turn 19 Season 23.

RedSky · Nov 15, 2020

BenitoSTARR · Nov 15, 2020

BenitoSTARR · Nov 15, 2020

BenitoSTARR said:

Looks like a violation to me unless they had a player involved but I can’t see that?

BenitoSTARR · Nov 15, 2020

Logged in on the website and it was P/E for Southend apologies!

Damien · Nov 15, 2020

BenitoSTARR said:
Logged in on the website and it was P/E for Southend apologies!

No worries. He did submit a screenshot of the P/E

Damien · Nov 15, 2020

As expected, a 3:1 loss to a second string Southend United side despite once again being the dominant side on statistics.

Oblak (95)

Elvedi (90)↓ Van Dijk (96) Ramos (95) Alaba (93)↓
Trent (93) Kroos (95)

Eriksen (93) -- Kovacic (91)↓ -- Mbappe (95)
Griezmann (94)

Subs: Gaya (91)↑, Boateng (91)↑, Christensen (90), Zakaria (91)↑, Brandt (91), Pulisic (91), Sterling (94)
Did not travel: Goretzka (92), Sancho (92), Vinicius Jr (89)

Key:

= Goal

= Assist
= MOTM
↓ = Subbed off
↑ = Subbed on

Next three games:
MD20: Sunderland (A)
MD21: Nottingham Forest (H)
MD22: Bournemouth (H)

Manchester United v Southend United fixtures this season

Game	Utd Poss	Southend Poss	Utd Shots (SoT)	Southend Shots (SoT)	Utd Goals	Southend Goals	Utd SoT Conv.	Southend SoT Conv.
15th November: Southend v Utd	59%	41%	16 (11)	9 (5)	1	3	9.1%	60%
Combined	59%	41%	16 (11)	9 (5)	1	3	9.1%	60%

infamous7 · Nov 15, 2020

Will I follow it hmmm

infamous7 · Nov 15, 2020

Probably not

CrackersJr · Nov 16, 2020

infamous7 said:
Probably not

would be a bit of a dick move

BenitoSTARR · Nov 18, 2020

Blackburn have just accepted then cancelled on a deal for Reece Oxford which means I’ve just lost the external bid for him. Fecking pleb!

Should be forced to buy him.

infamous7 · Nov 18, 2020

ill buy him
ill bid later today

Damien · Nov 22, 2020

3:2 win against Sunderland on Thursday. Yet another game to add to the list of games where the opponent scored 2 goals from 2 shots on target.

Oblak (95)

Elvedi (90)↓ Ramos (95) Christensen (90)↓ Alaba (93)
Eriksen (93) Kroos (95)
Sancho (92)

-- Brandt (91)↓ -- Mbappe (95)
Griezmann (94)

Subs: Trent (93)↑, Boateng (91)

↑, Van Dijk (96), Zakaria (91), Goretzka (92)↑, Pulisic (91), Sterling (94)
Did not travel: Gaya (91), Kovacic (91), Vinicius Jr (89)

Key:

= Goal

= Assist
= MOTM
↓ = Subbed off
↑ = Subbed on

Next three games:
MD21: Nottingham Forest (H)
MD22: Bournemouth (H)
MD23: Tottenham Hotspur (A)

Manchester United v Sunderland fixtures this season

Game	Utd Poss	Sunderland Poss	Utd Shots (SoT)	Sunderland Shots (SoT)	Utd Goals	Sunderland Goals	Utd SoT Conv.	Sunderland SoT Conv.
13th September: Utd v Sunderland	57%	43%	14 (7)	11 (4)	2	0	28.6%	0%
27th October: Utd v Sunderland	52%	48%	15 (8)	10 (5)	4	2	50%	40%
19th November: Sunderland v Utd	57%	43%	13 (7)	7 (2)	3	2	42.9%	100%
Combined	55.3%	44.7%	42 (22)	28 (11)	9	4	40.9%	36.4%

A list of all the games I've conceded 2 goals from 2 shots on target this season against managed opposition

Game	Utd Poss	Opposition Poss	Utd Shots (SoT)	Opposition Shots (SoT)	Utd Goals	Opposition Goals	Utd SoT Conv.	Opposition SoT Conv.
24th September: Utd v Spurs (League)	63%	37%	16 (8)	6 (2)	2	2	25%	100%
6th October: Utd v Everton (Shield)	60%	40%	19 (8)	5 (2)	1	2	12.5%	100%
1st November: Everton v Utd (League)	49%	51%	14 (5)	10 (2)	0	2	0%	100%
5th November: Utd v Bristol City (League)	70%	30%	23 (9)	5 (2)	3	2	33.3%	100%
10th November: Utd v Aston Villa (Cup)	59%	41%	16 (9)	7 (2)	0	2	0%	100%
19th November: Sunderland v Utd	57%	43%	13 (7)	7 (2)	3	2	42.9%	100%
Combined	59.7%	40.3%	101 (46)	40 (12)	9	12	19.6%	100%

Damien · Nov 22, 2020

2:2 draw against a formidable foe in Nottingham Forest. Season 22 Champions Everton extend the gap further. Crap thing about being unfairly ejected from the cup competitions early is having to rotate more than I would like in the big games.

Oblak (95)

Elvedi (90)↓ Van Dijk (96) Ramos (95)

Alaba (93)
Trent (93) Kroos (95)
Eriksen (93)↓ -- Sancho (92)↓ -- Sterling (94)

Mbappe (95)

Subs: Brandt (91), Boateng (91), Christensen (90)↑, Zakaria (91), Goretzka (92)↑, Pulisic (91), Griezmann (94)↑
Did not travel: Gaya (91), Kovacic (91), Vinicius Jr (89)

Key:

= Goal

= Assist
= MOTM
↓ = Subbed off
↑ = Subbed on

Next three games:
MD22: Bournemouth (H)
MD23: Tottenham Hotspur (A)
MD24: Aston Villa (H)

Manchester United v Nottingham Forest fixtures this season

Game	Utd Poss	Forest Poss	Utd Shots (SoT)	Forest Shots (SoT)	Utd Goals	Forest Goals	Utd SoT Conv.	Forest SoT Conv.
17th September: Forest v Utd	54%	46%	16 (8)	12 (6)	4	0	50%	0%
22nd November: Utd v Forest	56%	44%	13 (4)	8 (3)	2	2	50%	66.6%
Combined	55%	45%	29 (12)	20 (9)	6	2	50%	22.2%

The Taurean · Nov 26, 2020

Damien said:
2:2 draw against a formidable foe in Nottingham Forest. Season 22 Champions Everton extend the gap further. Crap thing about being unfairly ejected from the cup competitions early is having to rotate more than I would like in the big games.

Oblak (95)

Elvedi (90)↓ Van Dijk (96) Ramos (95) Alaba (93)
Trent (93) Kroos (95)
Eriksen (93)↓ -- Sancho (92)↓ -- Sterling (94)
Mbappe (95)

Subs: Brandt (91), Boateng (91), Christensen (90)↑, Zakaria (91), Goretzka (92)↑, Pulisic (91), Griezmann (94)↑
Did not travel: Gaya (91), Kovacic (91), Vinicius Jr (89)

Key:
= Goal
= Assist
= MOTM
↓ = Subbed off
↑ = Subbed on

Next three games:
MD22: Bournemouth (H)
MD23: Tottenham Hotspur (A)
MD24: Aston Villa (H)

Manchester United v Nottingham Forest fixtures this season

Game Utd Poss Forest Poss Utd Shots (SoT) Forest Shots (SoT) Utd Goals Forest Goals Utd SoT Conv. Forest SoT Conv.
17th September: Forest v Utd
54%
46%
16 (8)
12 (6)
4
0
50%
0%
22nd November: Utd v Forest
56%
44%
13 (4)
8 (3)
2
2
50%
66.6%
Combined
55%
45%
29 (12)
20 (9)
6
2
50%
22.2%

Would have been happy with that after the result last time. But Firmino is injured.

BenitoSTARR · Nov 29, 2020

So Pablo replied on SM.

“Ooops. And am I feck resigning”

Damien · Nov 29, 2020

BenitoSTARR said:
So Pablo replied on SM.

“Ooops. And am I feck resigning”

100% expected that reply.

Of course Spurs get a player sent off in the 86th minute and score an equaliser in the 89th.

Dom Gill · Nov 29, 2020

Damien said:
100% expected that reply.

And with that reply I think will be resigning. I would have been up for him having to resign and drop a league but to just say no, and not even attempt to apologise.

I guess this can be seen as petty from my part, but this has just broken the league and it's fun for me.

Give me a shout if anything changes, but not bothering to listen to the crap.

P-Nut · Nov 29, 2020

Damien said:
100% expected that reply.

Of course Spurs get a player sent off in the 86th minute and score an equaliser in the 89th.

Dom Gill said:
And with that reply I think will be resigning. I would have been up for him having to resign and drop a league but to just say no, and not even attempt to apologise.

I guess this can be seen as petty from my part, but this has just broken the league and it's fun for me.

Give me a shout if anything changes, but not bothering to listen to the crap.

Can you not kick him out anyway as you run the GW? @Damien

Ravelation · Nov 30, 2020

GW Admins dont have the ability to kick managers. Yeah this just broke the league.

infamous7 · Nov 30, 2020

Damien · Nov 30, 2020

P-Nut said:
Can you not kick him out anyway as you run the GW? @Damien

Nope. GW Admins basically only have the power to appoint managers and set the GW rules (of which there are ridiculously few) it is ridiculous. That's why the third violation wording has always been 'request to resign' and the integrity of the league has always hinged on the least compliant member.

FFP was put in place to ensure the league would stay alive. Pablo has basically just killed the league off completely.

The Taurean · Nov 30, 2020

What options do we have?

Gythio · Nov 30, 2020

Damien said:
FFP was put in place to ensure the league would stay alive. Pablo has basically just killed the league off completely.

I wouldn't say the league is dead quite yet as neither Pablo nor other managers have started signing all available players without minding the cap. The intention of all involved is still to abide by the rules, which is the most important part.

The fact is Pablo has mistakenly broken it thrice, so punishment is of course deserved. But is it maybe too harsh to ask someone to leave? I would suggest something like a season long ban for everyone that breaks the FFP more than once. The big goal is to keep everyone from hogging players, so a small step over the line once in a while shouldn't lead to being asked to leave i think. It's a different story if one does not respect the ban of course.

It's way too early to give up on the league @Dom Gill, come back mate

The Stain · Nov 30, 2020

Damien said:
Nope. GW Admins basically only have the power to appoint managers and set the GW rules (of which there are ridiculously few) it is ridiculous. That's why the third violation wording has always been 'request to resign' and the integrity of the league has always hinged on the least compliant member.

FFP was put in place to ensure the league would stay alive. Pablo has basically just killed the league off completely.

Everyone reporting him for cheating and stating the informal rules in the report? Would be something even if SM prob won't bother. To start let's say that anyone who does transfers with Pool get a one season transfer ban. I wouldn't say he's killed off the GW. Not at all, the vast majority of us follow the rules and wouldn't do this shit. I think Frank resigning is a heat of the moment reaction to this and he should come back asap. Don't let this idiot ruin the fun for you @Dom Gill

2mufc0 · Nov 30, 2020

It's rediculous that SM doesn't allow GW mods to kick out managers.

Dom Gill · Nov 30, 2020

Cheers @Gythio and @The Stain . It was a heat of the moment post here last night, so I slept on it before I made my final decision.

I really do enjoy the gameworld but I cannot be bothered with having two rule systems. One for one person and another for the rest of us. We put the rule in as a deterrent and believe it needs tweaking to not be so Draconian but it is what it is and hasn't changed yet, so this was always the first test, however it is not hard to follow, really....just look at you full squad size, check you FFP and deal with it. Even ask if you are not sure, but this...

The thread was around 50 when I left and the lack of apology or care was the bit that tipped it. All other managers have either had technicalities that I can live with when they breach FFP apart from one. It is like babysitting a child for Damien et al and the accidental excuse being used again and again. I could just do the same thing, but I don't and have not ever. I usually leave my FFP 1 under (just in case that gem appears) and therefore now I am at a disadvantage.

I get it is only one person and this is likely a large overreaction but hey, when the fun stops, stop. The last time I nearly left was when LB was being...well himself...but I realised he does it for fun so actually learned to respect his peculiarities and approach.

The fact I am hacked off means leaving was the right thing for me as now I do not have to be annoyed at a person and can enjoy a different league where even now I have more respect for randoms than the individual concerned. Again another overreaction but hey.

I will be back but at a much later point. Even if the rules change as long as the person is still there I will need to get over my annoyance, which yes is all me and melodramatic but hey again, this is my stance

Ravelation · Nov 30, 2020

Dom Gill said:
Cheers @Gythio and @The Stain . It was a heat of the moment post here last night, so I slept on it before I made my final decision.

I really do enjoy the gameworld but I cannot be bothered with having two rule systems. One for one person and another for the rest of us. We put the rule in as a deterrent and believe it needs tweaking to not be so Draconian but it is what it is and hasn't changed yet, so this was always the first test, however it is not hard to follow, really....just look at you full squad size, check you FFP and deal with it. Even ask if you are not sure, but this...

The thread was around 50 when I left and the lack of apology or care was the bit that tipped it. All other managers have either had technicalities that I can live with when they breach FFP apart from one. It is like babysitting a child for Damien et al and the accidental excuse being used again and again. I could just do the same thing, but I don't and have not ever. I usually leave my FFP 1 under (just in case that gem appears) and therefore now I am at a disadvantage.

I get it is only one person and this is likely a large overreaction but hey, when the fun stops, stop. The last time I nearly left was when LB was being...well himself...but I realised he does it for fun so actually learned to respect his peculiarities and approach.

The fact I am hacked off means leaving was the right thing for me as now I do not have to be annoyed at a person and can enjoy a different league where even now I have more respect for randoms than the individual concerned. Again another overreaction but hey.

I will be back but at a much later point. Even if the rules change as long as the person is still there I will need to get over my annoyance, which yes is all me and melodramatic but hey again, this is my stance

Im with you on this one hundred percentm apart from pablo i don't think anyobdy would not abide by this rule correct? Well i propose we make a new league, let the managers with the most points have choice of team in order, keep this gw alive until everyone is settled then kill the gw .

Gythio · Nov 30, 2020

Dom Gill said:
Cheers @Gythio and @The Stain . It was a heat of the moment post here last night, so I slept on it before I made my final decision.

I understand your frustration, but the game will never be perfect because of how little control admin has. It's about making the best out of the situation, which we've been managing pretty well i think - not much more we could do. Welcome back if you change your mind man

Ravelation said:
Im with you on this one hundred percentm apart from pablo i don't think anyobdy would not abide by this rule correct? Well i propose we make a new league, let the managers with the most points have choice of team in order, keep this gw alive until everyone is settled then kill the gw .

New GW should be the last resort i think, and even in that case you should be able to sign the players you have now. I suggest we wait a couple of days to see what Pablos move is before changing anything

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