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Have made offers and if I hadn't over paid for Isco I would've been in a position to make a decent offer now...
Hamsik made 623 for Newcastle over 20 seasons, could have been more but sold him soon after he dropped at the start of S20.
At the time I thought you had the better end of the deal and I still kinda do. All depends on how Konate does once season resumes/next season starts. At the time we did the deal, Kovacic wasn't doing great and Konate was still an unknown quantity while Isco was one of Zidane's favourites. This season Kovacic has come into his own for Chelsea (still robbed of a rise) and Isco has gone down, but Konate's been injured so it is still up in the air how the deal has gone.
That is impressive. Surely the record for a non-native player.
Konate was hardly an unknown, he was making (and still is) serious waves at Leipzig and there was serious talk of him keeping Orban out of the starting 11 at the start of this season... The only issue with that is you would then have 2 very young (yet massively talented) CBs up against some potentially very experienced attackers... As for Kovacic, still sad I let him go as even at Real I rated him hugely, the move to Chelsea was what put me off him...
As for non-native isn't Aguero non native??
I mean not at club originally. Aguero was.
Konate's been injured pretty much all this season and I've got the feeling Nagelsmann isn't that keen on him. Will see.
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Ahhh okay gotcha, yea probably then! Had I known about the record I might have kept him for the season :P
Hmmm injuries aren't great but very hard to over look his talent! If you're unsure of how he will progress I will happily buy him back off you!!
Damn. Knew @Zarlak loaning De Gea out for that second season would bite back somehow. Impressive that you've had Lloris for so long.
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Any answer please to the GK swap question a yes or no would suffice?
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It does help making deals when you have most of the best players and a squad full of young talents to be understudies.
Could we consider it player hoarding have all the best young CBs for example? Perhaps but it’s far easier to be in a strong position to get those deals than be a smaller club and build up. You’re probably the best example of how to do it tbf.
The Sancho deal was mammoth but to be fair to Damien I would also have gone all out for Sancho and it’s paid off for him. So it’s changed the GW but surely people appreciate it for what it was.
That being said Aouar, Haaland and Hakmini (arguably the biggest talents not at Southend or United) shouldn’t go for much less then that Sancho deal and should be transforming the sides that decide to sell them because where else are you going to find that mix of age rating and potential?
It does however mean that deals have become more difficult but it doesn’t help when people are offering you as an opening bid players they want rid of in exchange for your best. I’m not ever going to sell Aouar if someone offers me some random pair of 89 rated players or a player who has lost their place in a starting XI In real life who has a manger that hopes I won’t notice. Most of us do our research enough to know.
The amount of woeful offers I’ve had for Aouar, Rodri, Sanchez and Jimenez for example is insane and when some people actually offer you a fair deal it makes you much more inclined to do future deals with them.
Aouar for Strootman and 15 million
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Deal now confirmed for Suat Serdar who will head to Manchester City for Jan Vertonghen + £8.3m and Andre Gomes who will be bought in for £10m.
Serdar was scouted last year and picked up for £3m rising +3 since then after an impressive goalscoring season at Schalke. I’m sure he’ll rise further but the opportunity to get a top CB/LB in and a solid replacement is too good to turn down especially after Gomes’s dominant performance against United after his injury.
Serdar was scouted last year and picked up for £3m rising +3 since then after an impressive goalscoring season at Schalke. I’m sure he’ll rise further but the opportunity to get a top CB/LB in and a solid replacement is too good to turn down especially after Gomes’s dominant performance against United after his injury.
Since the issue few seasons back, it was agreed not to do it. Has been followed since then.
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Has been agreed we're not doing it anymore but it is harder to police. Need someone to formerly do the wording about that and the keeper swap thing to add to the OP.
I won't do any more deals with TS with buy back clauses (not player parking as some twat calls it), but I will be exercising my right to buy back Guendouzi when he comes avail
Likewise I'll be buying Retsos back.
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So you’re calling me a twat? Just to be clear over a game? Grow up. If you are suggesting they are buy back clauses then you are admitting there is a chance you might not bring them back which would be parking.
I’ve never once called anyone names over this merely pointed out enough people in the GW don’t agree that it is fair to artificially inflate the market by giving clubs money who wouldn’t normally have such funds and that players could be parked to avoid FFP I haven’t said that is what your intention was in fact I’ve acknowledged you’ve been trying to help but at the same time it does have an impact on the rest of the GW. If it makes me a twat in your eyes to express that feeling then that’s up to you but I fail to see how I’ve acted as such? So do enlighten me.
Likewise I'll be buying Olmo back.
You never had him. He's another of Southend's former players.
@CrackersJr made the bid. Wasn't sure if I would have been able to get the number of keepers needed before Sunday but managed it.
Likewise I'll be buying M'Bappe back.
I think we need a vote on this rule change, as in the future you might have managers who want to have the same challenge RS and stain had but would be left at a disadvantage compared to them. We have people at clubs for 5,6,7,8 years who might be thinking I wouldn’t mind doing what RS and stain did as it keeps it fun and in the long term keeps the player base level.
Without this we probably would have lost at least one of stain or RS, without them there GS would have snapped up every 1st choice player he wanted to (example of because he’s good at it) after a while it would have got boring with the lack of competition.
and to finish @Sepukku 8 years at Southampton feck @Big-Red is next up at just under 8 years at spurs.
Without this we probably would have lost at least one of stain or RS, without them there GS would have snapped up every 1st choice player he wanted to (example of because he’s good at it) after a while it would have got boring with the lack of competition.
and to finish @Sepukku 8 years at Southampton feck @Big-Red is next up at just under 8 years at spurs.
Aye, I mean I took over the smallest stadium in the game with the below funds:
I took a few buyback deals in the first season initially to get some actual money together but after I think my first promotion I stopped doing it as I felt it was a bit meta. It's fun starting at a completely new club at the very bottom, a different challenge to what I had when we started this gameworld with Forest. I'd also say this gameworld is far more competitive than it ever used to be. It's actually very difficult to snap up players anymore so it makes the small club challenge that much harder.
I took a few buyback deals in the first season initially to get some actual money together but after I think my first promotion I stopped doing it as I felt it was a bit meta. It's fun starting at a completely new club at the very bottom, a different challenge to what I had when we started this gameworld with Forest. I'd also say this gameworld is far more competitive than it ever used to be. It's actually very difficult to snap up players anymore so it makes the small club challenge that much harder.
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But the small club should be a challenge surely? And rather than making the entire market harder through artificial inflation to benefit the person who chooses that big challenge of taking on a small club removing that ability means cash becomes a lot more valuable at the lower end of the table so smaller clubs when growing organically will sell players because that cash can help them climb the tables.
I don’t see how it’s everyone else’s responsibility to have a harder game because someone chose to drop down for a challenge. It’s like using financial takeover in FIFA why not actually work for the improvement like GS has?
I don’t see how it’s everyone else’s responsibility to have a harder game because someone chose to drop down for a challenge. It’s like using financial takeover in FIFA why not actually work for the improvement like GS has?
Did you read the previous post, to actually get on the ladder now you need money now, to just buy risers to sell because we are all looking for talent, most small clubs these days would need a stimulus package as anyone in d1/2 could out bid them on a player or make them waste all there money, it’s better that the money gets spread around any way as most of it is tied up in damos account
.This is pretty much akin to what we do with drafts it’s about getting money to the small club for the next manager in that case while helping out the small clubs with managers.
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But surely starting with only a few million is the challenge. Buying the players you know will rise but nobody else wants picking that 22 year old due a +2 for CV and selling him for a profit etcDid you read the previous post, to actually get on the ladder now you need money now, to just buy risers to sell because we are all looking for talent, most small clubs these days would need a stimulus package as anyone in d1/2 could out bid them on a player or make them waste all there money, it’s better that the money gets spread around any way as most of it is tied up in damos account
This is pretty much akin to what we do with drafts it’s about getting money to the small club for the next manager in that case while helping out the small clubs with managers.
A division 5 Club should be struggling financially they shouldn’t comfortably afford any riser they want they may have to take a gamble on 1/2 quick money earners etc all part of the challenge.
I have done it before in other GWs
This is my squad and cash on-hand at the end of my first season in the league (S8)
Of course, circumstances were different back then
- First-team players were less costly. E.g. no one would have reached 40-50m. SM did re-evaluation of player's value few years back, to try and match actual market value
- Less competition on risers. FFP did played a part as it had just started when I first joined, but also I think their squad was so good that it was not necessary for them to invest in risers (back then I knew very little on how risers work, my goal was just to start a team with U-21 players . I didn't even know there would be new player entry everyday!)
- I still got outbid many times
- They were no draft back then so I could not have first pick of best players available
- No loan cap either, so more competition
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back then who knew I would still be here
if I had a mind for playing this game multiple years probably would have had a different approach
never even thought of buying some random 17 year old new added player to see if he'd be a 92 in 5 years
i do remember though when he 2nd gameworld started and i had either 1st or 2nd pick of a team and people who didnt get an early pick lost their shit because of their entitled attitudes
and it was redone
if I had a mind for playing this game multiple years probably would have had a different approach
never even thought of buying some random 17 year old new added player to see if he'd be a 92 in 5 years
i do remember though when he 2nd gameworld started and i had either 1st or 2nd pick of a team and people who didnt get an early pick lost their shit because of their entitled attitudes
and it was redone
With your current account? as I can see your history of clubs and to be honest none of them seem to be real div 5 clubs of your long term ones.
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No not the one I use for RedCafe I’ve had a few SM accounts for the club slots. Early on when you had lower rep you had limited slots for clubs so I’ve got 3.
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Isn’t this just proof you don’t need help to improve just time. Just because it’s difficult doesn’t mean the GW should suffer for someone’s choice of club. Especially if leaving a bigger club for a new challenge.This is my squad and cash on-hand at the end of my first season in the league (S8)
Of course, circumstances were different back then
Even so,
- First-team players were less costly. E.g. no one would have reached 40-50m. SM did re-evaluation of player's value few years back, to try and match actual market value
- Less competition on risers. FFP did played a part as it had just started when I first joined, but also I think their squad was so good that it was not necessary for them to invest in risers (back then I knew very little on how risers work, my goal was just to start a team with U-21 players
Is it possible to build a team now without financial aid? I think yes, but it is not easy
- I still got outbid many times
- They were no draft back then so I could not have first pick of best players available
- No loan cap either, so more competition
I wish the 2nd league wasnt repeat of same teams as in this league. Just doesn't feel the same. Would have liked an european league though.
Not sure it is up to that extent
As far as game-breaker is concern:
- I have not seen anyone parking players yet, or at least it is not obvious
- There has not been clubs swapping GKs with concern since
Maybe declaring all this kind of deals would be reasonable, for a start
Wasn't it a European League? I remember I had Inter, and Crackers had Barcelona (I think)
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I think financial aid does. It artificially improves someone’s situation which IMO is the same as a concern swap. It isn’t a legitimate deal and it’s to help someone who normally would be faced with having to sell to survive etc.
If you allow such deals it reduces the potential for legit deals between big and smaller clubs.
I don’t think people are trying to cheat the system but the way things are it would be easy for me to arrange buy back deals and artificially increase my FFP by using another club as a player farm for one or two talents.
As a low division club money is king in the early game if you’re doing a natural road to glory with a small club you have to sell risers to stay afloat. By giving people more cash in the early part of the journey you essentially skip out about 3 reviews worth of work which could be a year in SM and several seasons. This reduces natural transfers.
I see no reason why a club with a few million starting balance can’t grown naturally. Division 5 clubs aren’t meant to have 90 rated players etc that’s why stadium growth etc were used in SM. I think if someone wants a challenge accept the challenge for what it is.
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I think so, yeah
I'm not exaggerating when I say the last time I was able to use just money to sign a proper first team player was when you decided, for some reason, to sell me Ozil (94 rated at the time) for £71.5M back in 2015. To this day I've still got no idea what you were thinking of with that. £696.1M in my bank and it is useless to me. I'm sure other clubs have £300M+ that they don't use either.Did you read the previous post, to actually get on the ladder now you need money now, to just buy risers to sell because we are all looking for talent, most small clubs these days would need a stimulus package as anyone in d1/2 could out bid them on a player or make them waste all there money, it’s better that the money gets spread around any way as most of it is tied up in damos account
This is pretty much akin to what we do with drafts it’s about getting money to the small club for the next manager in that case while helping out the small clubs with managers.
There probably should be a vote before blocking it off entirely as some have since said (who've experienced the D5-1 challenge) that they don't see a massive issue with it as long as deals are declared (which I agree with, so FFP can be kept track of). One of the arguments against has always been about 'player parking' where if someone has, say, an FFP of 50 and is at that FFP but leaves two players at the other club and then signs two other players to fill that gap which they wouldn't have been able to do if they kept those two players - or where if they let another club buy a player for cheap then never buy back but myself, Newcastle and Middlesbrough have stated that we haven't done either. The deals are mandatory, and, it isn't like you don't see clubs buy back players after a season in real life - Angelino at City for example.
I'm fine with whatever is decided. Will let someone else handle a vote.
One thing we could argue is if someone claimed they did the natural road to glory, but in fact doesn't
In fairness, we are trying to get more people to join to make the GW more competitive. One way is draft, which "dismantles" a club but leaves it with enough cash for new manager to work with. Most recent example is Kidderminster, whom the manager takes advantage of cash pool he has to rebuild his team, starting from Div 4
Even so, the key difference is transparency. We have a good idea of how much additional cash the club has
So by declaring any form of "buyback" or "financial aid", would discourage "player parking". At the very least, anyone could question the deal if it does not look right