The Second RedCafe Sheep Draft

Chesterlestreet said:
I thought a bit about that under the all time British/Irish draft. Fact is that with Scholes you actually get two different players in one - which gives you great tactical room, almost to the point of it being unfair. If I get around to running one of these things, I'm planning on reintroducing the points system we had in one draft (can't remember the overall theme), i.e. players are "valued" at X points according to their quality (per common consensus), vote pulling power and possibly other factors.

In such a setting you could actually include both incarnations of Scholes: The primarily attacking midfielder and the deep lying playmaker.
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To be brutally honest that played a significant part in my thinking when i went for Suárez. I don't think it is unfair or anything though, it is a deserved advantage as very few players are class in different positions and that versatility is a huge reason behind managers going for them.

Agree with what you said about some players (Scholes) being rated as an unfair hybrid of both incarnations together. That is ridiculous imo and the manager responsible must clearly specify which version of the player that they are using to avoid this situation.

I do like the idea behind the points system but it can be problematic and subjective in certain cases when discerning which version is better. I've seen some (very few in fact) rate the LB version of Breitner higher than the B2B one which I don't agree with.

Same thing for Luisito Suárez Miramontes. Many are more familiar with the deep lying playmaker version of the Herrera's La Grande Inter and don't rate his AM version of Barca as highly, when he was actually equally brilliant. Some might even argue the latter version was the better individual and they have a pretty good case for it.

Like I said before you can't have the best of both versions though, that is ridiculously unfair but being able to use both incarnations seperately seems fair enough to me.
 
Bit random, but does anyone know why Polaroid was banned? Just noticed that when reading through the last sheep draft.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
Iirc, last time I picked him, there were lots of comments on his defensive strengths against top wingers. Though I like him as a player, I stopped picking him after that.
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feck these comments than!

Seriously though, I don't think in my setup there's a problem with a full back like Zambrotta. Obviously, he's main strength as a full back wasn't his defending but I don't think he'll get caught out often, plus he'll add a whole lot for the attacking part, wether it's Figo or Nedved on his side, you got a tough task for any wing.
 
Ugh, I knew I should have gone with a random pretty good right back instead.
 
VivaJanuzaj said:
feck these comments than!

Seriously though, I don't think in my setup there's a problem with a full back like Zambrotta. Obviously, he's main strength as a full back wasn't his defending but I don't think he'll get caught out often, plus he'll add a whole lot for the attacking part, wether it's Figo or Nedved on his side, you got a tough task for any wing.
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The bolded part was what surprised me. With Figo and Nedved, you don't need more attacking threat. What Irwin/Neville could provide would have been totally sufficient without opening doubts at your back.
 
@Annahnomoss needed a rightback, so he gets:

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Edgar Allan Pillow said:
The bolded part was what surprised me. With Figo and Nedved, you don't need more attacking threat. What Irwin/Neville could provide would have been totally sufficient without opening doubts at your back.
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Mmm, Yeah but with only 1 striker and no #10, I want more players going forward. My second FB might be more conservative, but I think there always should be at least one attacking full back, especially with Dunga there being given a more strict role.
 
VivaJanuzaj said:
Yeah I was just as surprised. Funny enough, my 'safe' third round pick was either Neville or an unpicked fullback.

So, Kaka and Robben are the picks of the round?
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Zambrotta is the pick of the round with so many needing both fullbacks. Second round? WTF? A bit too attacking for my liking in your setup TBH.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
The bolded part was what surprised me. With Figo and Nedved, you don't need more attacking threat. What xxxx/Neville could provide would have been totally sufficient without opening doubts at your back.
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Spoilers mate. Agree with you though, if I'm facing Figo/Nedved the last thing that I'll worry about is Zambrotta as opposed to a more balanced fullback. In fact, his foraging may help constrain/limit one of the former to a more limited area where he can be tracked more easily.
 
VivaJanuzaj said:
Superb striker, almost passed on Crespo to have him(I think I rate them pretty much equally), but I think that Robben and Kaka are much more vote-winners.
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I don't get that myself. My impression is that many regard him as being tainted in a certain way - some sort of flash-in-the-pan syndrome. And he doesn't have the undeniable, innate genius of a Ronaldinho to balance it out either. Not saying I necessarily agree, but if we're taking the infamous "peak" argument into consideration, it becomes more relevant, arguably.
 
antohan said:
I thought everyone had gone mental, suited so many teams, yet no one went for him :wenger:
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Would be perfect for my wing duo of Czibor and Littbarski. Had another goalscoring supremo in mind and a favourite of mine to boot as well but Vieri was the better fit easily.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
I don't get that myself. My impression is that many regard him as being tainted in a certain way - some sort of flash-in-the-pan syndrome. And he doesn't have the undeniable, innate genius of a Ronaldinho to balance it out either. Not saying I necessarily agree, but if we're taking the infamous "peak" argument into consideration, it becomes more relevant, arguably.
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He is insane peak form was 2006-07, clearly, but his peak was quite clearly not a flash in the pan, just a case of being one of the many victims of Real's Galáctico policy.
Season/GP/G/A
2006–07 48 18 11
2007–08 42 20 13
2008–09 36 16 12

That was immense form, particularly for a side as miserly as Milan. Of course, then came the age of Messi/Ronaldo and basketball stats in La Liga, which skews perspectives.
 
NoPace - 1. Liedholm, 2. K. H. Förster, 3. Hugo Sanchez, 4. Chumpitaz, 5. Preud'homme, 6. Rummenigge, 7. Camacho, 8. Tshabalala 9. Beckham 10. Yaya Toure 11. sheep

KPS88 - 1. Dino Zoff, 2. Del Piero, 3. Bergomi, 4. Cannavaro, 5. Papin, 6. Carboni, 7. Redondo, 8. Gascoigne 9. Tigana 10. Donadoni 11. Sagnol

NM - 1. Puskas, 2. Platini, 3. Tardelli, 4. Pirlo, 5. Ferdinand, 6. Hamrin, 7. Chilavert, 8. Argelico Fcuks 9. Carlos Alberto 10. Schwarzenbeck 11. Gattuso

harms - 1. Hidegkuti, 2. Passarella, 3. Perez, 4. Alonso, 5. Kaltz, 6. Weiner, 7. Kubala, 8. Buchwald 9. Cabrini 10. L. Enrique 11. Ballack

Annahnomoss - 1. Guardiola, 2. Garrincha, 3. Boniek, 4. DaMarcus Beasley, 5. van der Sar, 6. Völler, 7. Dave Mackay, 8. Essien 9. Brehme 10. Sol Campbell 11. Sheep

MJJ - 1. Hitzfeld, 2. R. Carlos, 3. Eboue, 4. Xavi, 5. Nesta, 6. Iuliano, 7. Trevor Sinclair, 8. Bebeto 9. Ivan Nielsen 10. Pedro Maria Artola 11. Drogba

MDFC Manager - 1. Shankly, 2. Seaman, 3. Veron, 4. Vieira, 5. van Basten, 6. Reuter, 7. Zico, 8. Ardiles 9. Costacurta 10. Bergkamp 11. Irwin

Raees - 1. Busby, 2. Batistuta, 3. Effenberg, 4. Hagi, 5. Breitner, 6. Gerets, 7. Vasovic, 8. N'Kono 9. Dzajic 10. Peit Keizer 11. Carvalho

Joga Bonito - 1. Batteaux, 2. Hierro, 3. A.Cole, 4. Kohler, 5. Littbarski, 6. Schuster, 7. Luisito Suarez, 8. Mark Schwarzer 9. Czibor 10. Burgnich 11. Vieri

Edgar Allan Pillow - 1. Rocco, 2. Ancelotti, 3. Pantsil, 4. Desailly, 5. Baresi, 6. R. Baggio, 7. Schmeichel, 8. Jairzinho 9. G. Müller 10. Djemba-Djemba 11. Montero

VivaJanuzaj - 1. Scholes, 2. Ferrara, 3. Kenwyne Jones, 4. Figo, 5. Nedved, 6. Peruzzi, 7. Keane, 8. Dunga 9. Vierchowod 10. Crespo 11. Zambrotta

BorisDeLaFora - 1. Guttman, 2. Cafu, 3. Lucio, 4. Shevchenko, 5. Stoijkovic, 6. Lizarazu, 7. Souness, 8. Pires 9. Tresor 10. Gerson 11. Buffon

Cutch - 1. Lobanovskiy, 2. Nilton Santos, 3. Bozsik, 4. B. Charlton, 5. J.Zanetti, 6. Gento, 7. Stanley Matthews, 8. Just Fontaine 9. Krol 10. Sadurni 11. Gamarra

Sajeev - 1. Capello, 2. Seedorf, 3. Davids, 4. R. Marquez, 5. Henry, 6. Canizares, 7. Paul McGrath, 8. Rivaldo 9. Bossis 10. Amoros 11. Kaka

Kazi - 1. Stein, 2. Scirea, 3. Landa, 4. Cech, 5. Klinsmann, 6. Schweinsteiger, 7. Bryan Robson, 8. Frank de Boer 9. Thiago Silva 10. Iniesta 11. Bale

Stobzilla - 1. Stankovic, 2. Ince, 3. Tioté, 4. M. Laudrup, 5. Kahn, 6. Blanc, 7. John Charles, 8. Hatzipanagis 9. Cerezo 10. Careca 11. Robben
 
Well, that's an arse if one of the RB guys was hoping to get the guy kps will never get, poor thing :lol:

Actually, I would be quite miffed if my top targets were ruled out by this. Tonnes of fullbacks crossed out there, the better ones as well...
 
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