Why are some of the fails not made public?
The Second RedCafe Sheep Draft
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Can't do.
Sheep should be handicap, not a guarantee of loss. A Sheep in CB or ST is a sure loss of game. Wingers are recoverable provided I make my other picks are good. If you are going to ensure loss, then I may as well exit the game and play just to block others!
Cutch and MJJ got sheep forward. There were a couple of CBs IIRC. Consider yourself lucky you can still play Nereo and bench the sheep if that's what you think.
Aw, you were concerned
Of course munchkin.
Looking forward to EAP's creative attempt at making a go of his next pick.
Can't believe no one had gone for Goofy first time out
There were so many options though, such an arse for us sheep-pickers
There were so many options though, such an arse for us sheep-pickers
Player already picked, can't reveal it to the other people still picking players.
Can't believe no one had gone for Goofy first time out
Has he only been carded in one WC game? If so, getting blocked on one player in that particular game really kills you. Like we're seeing right now.
Only blocked players are made public. When someone has tried to pick someone already picked (i.e. the player isn't blocked but already in another squad) it isn't disclosed. The reason also being that anyone having to pick again won't know. E.g. see Zoff in the last round, people tried him in the second and third round, just different people, obviously.
We'll take a look at it and see what we can come up with. Don't want you completely handicapped, but don't want to set a bad precedent going forward
Yeah, that was the downside. Still, in the first round it would have been one worth going for as most likely if blocked you would get double-blocked.
Yes, those are the rules. If there's a player remaining in the match you chose, who isn't blocked yet, you're forced to pick him.
Right, that makes sense. Cheers.
Yeah you have to exhaust all options from that game first. Even if there was a 90th minute crap sub who came on and got a card, before moving on to other games.
No, he got carded in another game. @Skizzo / @VivaJanuzaj , you have to attempt every player in the game before moving on, so I'll start working on your sheep. Could you PM me who you got so I take that into account?
EDIT: So I won't ruin anything, lets talk at private
Can't do.
Sheep should be handicap, not a guarantee of loss. A Sheep in CB or ST is a sure loss of game. Wingers are recoverable provided I make my other picks are good. If you are going to ensure loss, then I may as well exit the game and play just to block others!
I think a CB sheep is recoverable depending on the sheep and the teammates that surround him. A lot of meh CB's have been carried for decent periods of times by top CB's and an overall solid unit of FB's and CM's around them. Manchester has seen some solid examples of that.
It's all been answered before, see below. The summary for you is you MUST try to pick the other England player, however unlikely it is that either of you wnet for Ronnie-Roque Junior in another game.
Hypothetically, so I don't name names.
Player A, B, and C were all carded in one game.
You pick Player A and B, EAP picks Player B and C.
You get A, but B is blocked. Eap gets C, but B is blocked.
Now you both have another option in that game, even though realistically, you know he's already been selected. Since he's the only other option from that game, you have to try and pick him first.
Just unfortunate that you guys went to the same game in the 2nd stage of picks, rather than the 1st.
You mean Dinho here? Too much for me at this stage, I'm on the beer by now.
If you mean Dinho, the case is an obvious one. Immense combo in the one, far from immense combo in the other (he's got two bookings).
We'll take a look at it and see what we can come up with. Don't want you completely handicapped, but don't want to set a bad precedent going forward
My take is what the player tried to pick is the indicator to go on. Only late on can they make special requests because, obviously, the manager will have certain tactics in mind.
Yeah, but I would have expected a double block on the combo as a distinct possibility because it was indeed immense.
Good lor', I missed one there - you could go for two immense combos. Well, then. Now I know what Edgar has been moaning about.
They've both got their work cut out for 'em in the third round, though, as you say.
One pretty decent player there - if you use him right in the right sort of set-up.
EDIT Two decent players. Very decent, in fact. But still. Hardly gold.
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VivaJanuzaj - Ancelotti - Maradona/Matthaus
Stobzilla - Stankovic - Maradona/Matthaus
Edgar Allan Pillow - Nereo Rocco - Ronaldo/Thuram
MJJ - Ottmar Hitzfeld - Falcao/Maradona
Eboue will definitely have to be allocated here and there's only really one manager whose squad and attempted picks include a right back.
The sheep committee shall discuss at great length.NOT
Stobzilla - Stankovic - Maradona/Matthaus
Edgar Allan Pillow - Nereo Rocco - Ronaldo/Thuram
MJJ - Ottmar Hitzfeld - Falcao/Maradona
Eboue will definitely have to be allocated here and there's only really one manager whose squad and attempted picks include a right back.
The sheep committee shall discuss at great length.NOT
Can you choose from any WC game?
Actually, he saw the card while playing centerback, so it's not as obvious. So YES!
That much is clear. He is arguably the number one sheep out there, all things said and done.
Yeah, that's what we were discussing earlier. Sheep always have to be worse than the worst picked player. The only way to guarantee that is for the sheep pool to follow the basic rule: player carded in a WC game.
You mean we have to give EAP a CB then?
No. From the same match. If that is not possible, the same round, i.e. 2002 quarter finals (or whatever the case may be).
Can I make some suggestions?
If you mean sheep - then yes. Or: See anto's reply.
Absolutely, although we are already quite advanced in drawing up the shortlist.
Depends on what he already has.Did Skizzo ever agree to that? I disagree with it, but it's Skizzo's call. If someone took the risk and is now forced to pick the last remaining option in a match and that one is an awful, awful player, much worse than any sheep we would ever think of, it's his own fault. On the other hand, if someone found a match that gave him the security of a decent sheep, he made a smart decision and should be rewarded.
In the case of EAP and Viva, if they both chose the same game and no one else is available, we move to the games of the same round in the same tournament and pick sheep from there. At least that's how I would do it.
Viva has Ancelotti already. Join the dots.
never mind than. Go ahead.
Perhaps it's best we hold off on sheep discussions until all three rounds are over. People shouldn't know what sort of sheep are in the mix in advance of their picks.
It's fair to say the dynamics of this round are very specific, so there could be an exception. Doesn't look likely though. They are all capped internationals by definition, for starters, and we want to stick to recognisable names people can interpret so typically it will be a capped Premier League player. Not particularly awful then.
I was discussing that with Chester earlier. I was originally of the same opinion as yours, but can see how it could get pretty ridiculous. In fact, downright ridiculous, so the logic that should apply is 1. WC carded player, 2. sheep-level, 3. relatively well-known.