Film The Redcafe Movie review thread

TV is on the up partly because TV has (mostly) accepted streaming as the inevitable future, much like iTunes and Spotify did with music post Napster. Film however, is still in the Lars Ulrich state of pigheaded opposition. Trying to fight the power shift with bigger and more expensive 'event' movies, which works at the high end, but drives the auters and indies to TV.

Beasts of No Nation was conspicuously ignored this awards season because Hollywood was terrified of acknowledging it, lest it hasten the inevitable.

Is it White House Down or Olympus has fallen where there's literally a kid waving a flag?

The last shot of OHF is the president walking past a wind swept American flag.......after the White House has been flattened by North Korea.

I'm still not sure what the message was. Vote Trump?
 
Alright, so I watched Interstellar about 11 months ago and decided after listening to the soundtrack the other night that i'd give it another go.

I enjoyed it first time round, ticked all the boxes for me but felt a tiny bit flat at the end and a little confused (the final quarter I found daft). Watched it a 2nd time tonight and I actually think it's one of those films that on 2nd viewing makes it much, much better. To the point where I actually think it's Nolans best film to date, I didn't entirely understand the final quarter concept on 1st viewing.

Going to be one of those films imo that people will come back to after a decade or so and realise just how good it is compared to the rest of the science fiction coming out lately. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed The Martian, Gravity etc but would I watch them again? Probably not no, twice is enough, they're feel good Nasa adverts basically. Interstellar however, I would gladly watch again and again.

I'm actually a bit shocked at how different my view is on 2nd viewing too. Maybe just one of 'those' films that requires a few viewings to really understand properly. Either way, it's won me over also Zimmer is a king.

I have watched once and like you (I think) loved the soundtrack and enjoyed the film. I was afraid that watching it a second time would maybe make it worse because it's supposed to be seen on the big screen. But after your post I might decide to watch it again to understand it a bit more.
 
I have watched once and like you (I think) loved the soundtrack and enjoyed the film. I was afraid that watching it a second time would maybe make it worse because it's supposed to be seen on the big screen. But after your post I might decide to watch it again to understand it a bit more.
The ending is still odd and makes little sense from any point of mind. That's probably its main blight really. Up until that its a very good movie.
 
Which part doesn't? I'm interested because first time I struggled too until I listened to the dialogue.
The whole black hole thing seemed stupid. The idea that you could survive the gravity of a black hole because it is so big seemed a bit far fetched and the explanation "We don't know what is in a black hole so a book case 5th dimension could be" seemed to go against the overall grounded in science theme of the rest of the film. Then the question of paradoxes which come with time travel (The humans in the future going back to change the future making their future non existent and a new future in which they don't exist, meaning they cannot go back in time in the first place).

Also, the last bit where he jumps forwards 70+ years. And why has the rest of the world lived on a giant space shuttle rather then gone to the other dimension. Wasn't the whole point of the formula for gravity to allow them to transport a whole planet to the wormhole? Why not just make the spaceship that size and fart off into space? Why need the wormhole?

There's also the fact that Anne Hathaways character Is still young whilst the rest of time has gone 70+ years.
 
The whole point of the movie is that time on the 'other side' moves extremely slowly in comparison to Earth. The further away the planet is from the black hole the slower time ticks. That's why they had to rush on the water planet, hence why Hathaway and whatshisface hasn't aged in comparison to Earth.

The reason why they're on that spaceship is because that was the structure they were building on Earth (plan A). I think they mention at the end it's near Saturn. It wasn't the whole world, they were building a fuselage at Earth and I can only assume some of Earths population survived on the spaceship.

As far as I know, the science of the black hole is legit. People online seem to moan about the corridor bit, but if you listen to the dialogue the computer thing says it's simply an illusion to allow the character to understand properly. So they use something familiar to him so he doesn't freak out/doesn't understand.

Granted the whole time paradox doesn't overly make sense. That was the only bit that I struggled to grasp on 2nd viewing.
 
The whole point of the movie is that time on the 'other side' moves extremely slowly in comparison to Earth. The further away the planet is from the black hole the slower time ticks. That's why they had to rush on the water planet, hence why Hathaway and whatshisface hasn't aged in comparison to Earth.

The reason why they're on that spaceship is because that was the structure they were building on Earth (plan A). I think they mention at the end it's near Saturn. It wasn't the whole world, they were building a fuselage at Earth and I can only assume some of Earths population survived on the spaceship.

As far as I know, the science of the black hole is legit. People online seem to moan about the corridor bit, but if you listen to the dialogue the computer thing says it's simply an illusion to allow the character to understand properly. So they use something familiar to him so he doesn't freak out/doesn't understand.

Granted the whole time paradox doesn't overly make sense. That was the only bit that I struggled to grasp on 2nd viewing.
It was closer. Which is true. The closer you get to a black hole and its gravity, the slower time moves. Eventually time stops when you reach the centre. At least from the outside looking in.

The black hole science isn't legit in any way. In a film full of theoretical physics, that black hole explanation is piss poor and runs against the rest of the films logic.

It doesn't really explain anything with the bookcase. The whole "he can travel through specific points in time through a higher dimension because of a black hole" was the most ridiculous thing in the film. The idea that he was his daughters ghost because these higher dimensional beings wanted him to, rather then do the work themselves and save humanity themselves is strange and makes very little sense.

What was the point if all of the equation though? Couldn't they build a ship big enough without the equation? Could they not go through the wormhole without the equation? Why need the equation if you end up living on some death star remake which doesn't even make it to the other dimension that was there to save you. In the end, all that wormhole travel bullshit was pointless anyway, all things considered.

The whole ending was just a lot of contrived, very confusing plot conveniences that made little sense, had barely any explanation and was only made to create a nice plot twist and solve all of the conflict within the film.
 
Spotlight - Christ, Michael Keaton has aged a lot in just one year. It was riveting enough but also kinda generic and tame...nicely understated though except for the insufferable Mark Ruffalo. A far cry from the likes of All the President's Men and Zodiac in the end.
 
Is anyone else getting a bit bored with the movie industry since 2010?
Just look at this list of the 90s man:
Pulp Fiction, Goodfellas, Shawshank Redemption, The Green Mile, Schindlers List, American History X, Se7en, Forrest Gump, Jurassic Park, Terminator 2, Fargo, Matrix, Fight Club, Good Will Hunting, Silence Of The Lambs, Reservoir Dogs, Saving Private Ryan, Braveheart, American Beauty, Leon, Menace 2 Society, Boyz N Tha Hood, La Haine, Heat, LA Confidential, The Usual Suspects, JFK, Donnie Brasco, Trainspotting, Point Break, The Rock, The Sixth Sense, Twelve Monkeys, Lock Stock and 2 Smoking Barrels, Casino, The Boondock Saints, Dances with Wolves, Speed, Sleepy Hollow, Sling Blade, Apollo 13, Magnolia, The Game, The Last Of The Mohicans, Rush Hour, Philadelphia, The Negotiator, Carlito's Way, Sleepers, A Bronx Tale, In The Name of The Father, The Fugitive, Millers Crossing, Blood In Blood Out, Enemy Of The State, The Insider, Rounders, Glengarry Glen Ross, Dead Man Walking, Bad Lieutenant, King of New York, Titanic.

That list is SOLID as hell.

The 2000s has its fair share of highly rated and entertaining movies too:
The Dark Knight, No Country for Old Men, Lord of The Rings trilogy, Gladiator, The Departed, Cidade de Deus, The Bourne Trilogy, Donnie Darko, Man On Fire, The Hurt Locker, Collateral, Mystic River, American Psycho, Requiem for a Dream, Snatch, Slumdog Millionaire, The Prestige, Inside Man, United 93, American Gangster, A History of Violence, Cast Away, Ocean's Movies, Training Day, Catch Me If You Can, Insomnia, Phone Booth, Monster, Identity, Transporter.

WTF are you on about? The 2010s have the Avenger 1,2,3,4,5 , Fast and Furious 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 Spiderman 1,2,3,4-3,5-3,6-4

Beat that !

Yeah, I agree... they don't make a good movie like they did back then where CGI is only happens in the credit scene

Casino 1995

Was a masterpiece and my all time favorite, everything in there was so perfect except that they put too much Ginger in there... De Niro / Pesci / Stone was superb in there and the movie never got me boring, and the script was as good if not better than Tarantino.

10/10
 
No, no. I think the future humans built something in the black hole which is where he went too with the bookcase. Thats the impression I got from listening to the dialogue.

Also the formula was nothing to do with the black hole but to get the space station / space ship off Earth. The whole time travel thing always raised issues, but I think the movie was saying that they provided humans with a means of communication and it was coincidence/fate that the gravity hole in the bedroom was the bedroom of the girl who would save humanity. Cooper thought he was the one with the destiny but he was simply the interface between computer (advanced humans) and person (girl).

This is why im saying it gets better with more watches, the plots alot to take in.

The very reason they went through the black hole was misleading. It was never ultimately to find a new home or start a new colony but to simply send the girl the answer to the formula to allow some of Earths population to survive.
 
Just watched Room and it's very good. One of the best films I've watched in a while. The mother and child are played brilliantly.
 
No, no. I think the future humans built something in the black hole which is where he went too with the bookcase. Thats the impression I got from listening to the dialogue.

Also the formula was nothing to do with the black hole but to get the space station / space ship off Earth. The whole time travel thing always raised issues, but I think the movie was saying that they provided humans with a means of communication and it was coincidence/fate that the gravity hole in the bedroom was the bedroom of the girl who would save humanity. Cooper thought he was the one with the destiny but he was simply the interface between computer (advanced humans) and person (girl).

This is why im saying it gets better with more watches, the plots alot to take in.

The very reason they went through the black hole was misleading. It was never ultimately to find a new home or start a new colony but to simply send the girl the answer to the formula to allow some of Earths population to survive.
The black hole science was still massive BS. He would've been crushed by its gravitational pull long before he even went inside of it.

The only explanation they had for that black hole scene was "We don't know what is in a black hole so anything could be" and apparently a larger black hole has weaker gravitational pull. Of course, considering its gravitational pull is strong enough to have multiple planets orbiting it, its safe to say it would still crush his weak body.
 
The black hole science was still massive BS. He would've been crushed by its gravitational pull long before he even went inside of it.

The only explanation they had for that black hole scene was "We don't know what is in a black hole so anything could be" and apparently a larger black hole has weaker gravitational pull. Of course, considering its gravitational pull is strong enough to have multiple planets orbiting it, its safe to say it would still crush his weak body.

I'm not even sure he went into the Black Hole, didn't he go into Gargantua which was completely different to the Black Hole? That's one of the few plot holes I struggled to grasp so i'll pay attention to those next time.

My understanding was he went into Gargantua which is where the Corridor Device thing was located.
 
Gargantua is the Black Hole, but given we don't know much about the science of black holes (except Cina's), it's hard to say it 'bullshit'. It's a science fiction film, not a science one, and the writers were intitled to put forward some bold ideas, that's the whole point of the genre. The whole film is, according to scientists, quite 'realistic' or at least coherent with what they know of those areas of science, but there wouldn't have been much point just going along with what is known, it's great they took some risks with the scenario.
 
I'm not even sure he went into the Black Hole, didn't he go into Gargantua which was completely different to the Black Hole? That's one of the few plot holes I struggled to grasp so i'll pay attention to those next time.

My understanding was he went into Gargantua which is where the Corridor Device thing was located.
Gargantua was the black hole.
 
Gargantua is the Black Hole, but given we don't know much about the science of black holes (except Cina's), it's hard to say it 'bullshit'. It's a science fiction film, not a science one, and the writers were intitled to put forward some bold ideas, that's the whole point of the genre. The whole film is, according to scientists, quite 'realistic' or at least coherent with what they know of those areas of science, but there wouldn't have been much point just going along with what is known, it's great they took some risks with the scenario.

Yeah I've given up and reading the wiki. So according to the wiki Cooper and Robot was transported to the Tesseract (corridor device) while entering Gargantua.

Still confused.

You've got the wormhole which travel through.
Then you have the blackhole / Gargantua.

Are they all the same thing? The wiki isn't making it overly clear, they're talking as if the wormhole and blackhole are different. So I assume, the wormhole was simply like a teleporter to take them to the other solar system which happened to have Gargantua.
 
Don't make me break out the Itchy & Scratchy xylophone quote again, folks.
 
See. There shouldn't have to be this much sleuthing for the film to start making sense at the end.

The wormhole is not gargantua. From what I gathered, the wormhole was a one way ticket to the other solar system which is quite a few million light-years away from Earth.

That solar system is a bunch of planets surrounding a black hole called gargantua. Cooper went in to the black hole and found a bookcase dimension within it which allowed him to communicate across time and space.

The black hole then spat him out 50 years from the time which he went into the black hole where he was picked up by a giant space craft. The spaceship is actually earth 2.0 and humanity are living on it floating through space (Like Wall-E).

Cooper then decides to go and see Anne Hathaway because boners where she is waiting on her own on another planet in another dimension.

In that dimension, only a few hours have passed due to time being slower and it being near a black hole. Meaning she wont be an old woman like his daughter.

Also, Casey Affleck was seemingly killed off and completely forgotten by his shithead of a dad. All because he wasn't as clever and creepy as Jessica Chastain.
 
I would just like to add.... that White House Down is significantly better then Olympus Has Fallen.
 
I preferred White House Down because it was stupid and it knew it. Olympus Has Fallen went the serious route, which didn't work with masterful dialogue such as:

"Let's play a game of feck off, you go first"
 
It's impossible to know which one is which though!

Might be common knowledge, but the movie review Youtube channel CinemaSins did Olympus has Fallen AND White House Down at the same time, with the reviewer convinced they were the same movie. I'll stick it in a spoiler, in case anyone's interested.

 
Sicario - what a film, not felt this amount of tension when watching a film for a very long time. Excellent cast, gripping story, phenomenal setpieces. 10/10

I can't remember a scene as tense as that border shootout one :drool:
 
Heat bank robbery and its aftermath.

Good one. It's been a long time since I've seen Heat, and I'm sure there's a few more in other movies.

But the one in Sicario stands out from recent memory. The music played a huge part, and I love how "clean" the shootout actually was :D