Those are quite interesting options Red. Aldo is the hardest one to work out but Cruyff may not be a bad call at all, with Nedved moving to midfield. Would Cruyff and Zico get on though? 
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Left this until you cooled down a bit
.It was quite transparent I was warning you about the midfield, with an agenda obviously, but it's a valid concern. I still think you have a mountain to climb there but, in fairness, you always did. Matthaus wouldn't have been "more bodies in midfield", it would have been the right body in midfield.
It's not you vs. Stob+Anto, if you are worried about that I'll be happy to promise now to keep my input to no more than 10 posts, which should be about right to ask questions, put forward a few points and explain my rationale for voting. You would be missing out on one of Diego's and Jairzinho's most vocal advocates around, but hey... I even said a left wing Jairzinho would probably be the best reflection of what I want Joya to be doing out there. Not Best, not either Ronnie, not Giggs, but Jairzinho. Christ, I even tried talk you out of it when you mentioned replacing him with Best when obviously it wouldn't have been in my interest to do so.
Anyhow, as it stands I'm pretty sure by my next turn I will have a choice of Ronaldo or a 70s RB. No idea what I'll go for. It will largely depend on what Cutch does. Whichever I pick, there's a silver lining for you either way. Pirlo off means a spare 70s slot, be it to supercharge your attack further or to avoid playing Ramos as CB. Pros and cons in both. I certainly won't decide with you in mind, but I'm inclined to let Ronaldo slip.
Start fa.pping
VP's left me with blueballs.
Those are quite interesting options Red. Aldo is the hardest one to work out but Cruyff may not be a bad call at all, with Nedved moving to midfield. Would Cruyff and Zico get on though?
Yeah I have no idea of the psychologies. I guessed that Alonso-Rijkaard wouldn't be a bad central midfield especially against Brwned who doesn't have a spectacular centre himself. He can therefore drop Bremner and Nedved and play Cruyff and a 70s RB (Thuram?). Cruyff, Zico and Gullit behind Muller looks good to me. Third upgrade is a tough one. I suppose if Scirea's available luckily, he could go for him but that's doubtful. Maybe Gilmar?
Ronaldo would be the dream Anto but there is no way he will slip through, VP has surely got his eyes on him for Ruud!
Only two upgrades mate.
Ah thought it was 3 for some reason. I suppose your fullbacks are priority with the kind of wings that Brwned has. Zambrotta's okay I guess and there's no real quality LBs available so you have to secure one of the 3 quality 70s RBs. All 3 of them are greats luckily so you don't have to worry. That just leaves Bremner or Alonso to replace and the 40s have higher quality replacements with Cruyff the cream of them. That was my logic.
VPs best move doesn't include Ronaldo, I'm pretty confident on that. It's not the easiest to see as it involves a bit of shuffling around between midfield and defence.
I'm increasingly of the opinion Junior can do a perfectly fine job on Stoichkov though, so I may have no need for a RB. The only thing that worries me is how backs-against-the-wall it looks, but Eusebio starting his trademark unstoppable runs from midfield, Joya and Garrincha on either wing, Facchetti doing what he did best as Inter's key attacking weapon and Ronaldo to boot... It's a muppets dream once I get the ball out to them. No defence can stop that. Will it get votes? Probably not enough.
It's not a bad call dropping Nedved to allow for a 70s RB, playing Cruyff instead, and Alonso getting on the pitch.
Probably one of the best moves he could go for, if not the best.
You should be playing this stuff mate!
Probably because we always had 3 after the first round then 1 after the QFs and 1 after the final. This time round it has been changed to 2, 2, and 1.
Yeah that was one of the options when I was thinking for ages. Have decided on one plan and it is a gamble. Don't think it will work to be honest against Brwned but I can't be thinking too much about his team with what I have. Got to play my own game and see what people think, which is not a fool proof plan in any way.
Anyone but Best and I could have come up with something.
Yeah that was one of the options when I was thinking for ages. Have decided on one plan and it is a gamble. Don't think it will work to be honest against Brwned but I can't be thinking too much about his team with what I have. Got to play my own game and see what people think, which is not a fool proof plan in any way.
Anyone but Best and I could have come up with something.
I did think of that and a million more options
It was quite tedious to go over each and every manager and try to predict what they will do, so just decided on one of the simpler options. If it works, that'd be my luck, if it doesn't then feck it.Don't know enough about the older players unfortunately though I do enjoy reading the draft.
Yeah VP's a tough one. It seems like he needs to upgrade Brennan (though I personally know nothing about him) but the only quality RBs are in the 70s again so one strategy could be to trade Ruud for Charles and get Zanetti.
Else Matthaus for Deschamps or Ronaldo for Ruud and Vogts for Brennan which is what I originally thought he would do.
Matthaus is a no brainer IMO
What decade is Brennan does anybody know? Or his first name, trying to google but not coming up
edit - ah shit he has Gento as a 30's, so Vogts can work
What decade is Brennan does anybody know? Or his first name, trying to google but not coming up
edit - ah shit he has Gento as a 30's, so Vogts can work
- Shay Brennan
Soccer player
- Seamus Anthony "Shay" Brennan was an English-born Irish footballer in the 1960s. He was a full back for Manchester United. Wikipedia
Born: May 6, 1937, Manchester, United Kingdom
Ahh okay, thought he may have been a 40's.. That makes it harder for him because he cant just go with Vogts.
Vogts is as good an option as any of the 70's lads but Brennan is a 30's so doesnt fit unfortunately
edit - ah actually, he has Gento as a 30's so Vogts can come on and its fine
Vogts is as good an option as any of the 70's lads but Brennan is a 30's so doesnt fit unfortunately
edit - ah actually, he has Gento as a 30's so Vogts can come on and its fine
Yeah but Fergie's in the 40s and he's a player manager so it's a easy upgrade.
None of those solve the "Socrates is a passenger" issue, controversial as it may be. I reckon there must be a 50s pick involved there and Matthaus is really a no brainer.
I wouldn't be too worried about Brennan just yet but it's a good point that ultimately he may end up solving it with a 70s player who would have to take Scholes' or Ruud's place. Scholes is his ball pinging hub as it is so it's a no go, so adding another 70s striker to then possibly drop him would be low priority.
That's the way I saw it at least.
He can just come on!
He has Gento so he doesnt need Brennan to stay on, and he has another 40 spot for Vogts
I did think of that and a million more options
You tell me, I had a decision tree where I was pretty confident on what most would do but it all was contingent on what the feck Theon would do, that's why I had four options earlier today: Best, Ronaldo, Maradona and Matthaus. That's how each of the four branches started
What did you do now anto? Why is my name appearing on RI's quote? I was wondering when the hell did I write all that.
Good point. If he doesn't get him now he will probably be gone altogether though, which brings him back to needing a 70s fullback. I really can't see him picking Ronaldo myself and it's not gamesmanship, I've been quite confident about it from the off. If anyone takes him it will be Stob in some sort of "uberattacking can't fit all my options" brainfart, which he has form in TBH
Are you thinking Platini in the first part?
Perfect replacement for Socrates, but it would be an absolute coup if he lasted!
I think Vogts works fine as well though if you want to fix Brennan
The more I am looking at VP the better he is starting to look - so many options for him to do
If Socrates is an issue, Platini or Cruyff are the best way to go I guess as a central orchestrator for Ronaldo, Ruud and Gento though it does seem a pity to replace such high quality picked so early in the draft. Ruud and Deschamps are where he'll get the most bang his buck in upgrades which is why I thought he'd replace one of them.
What did you do now anto? Why is my name appearing on RI's quote? I was wondering when the hell did I write all that.
No idea, must have pressed reply to one of your posts, then his and deleted yours up to the bracket. Fixed. I did find it bizarre to when I replied and it came back as your views
His perfect replacements would be IMO Platini and Matthaus - it is just monstrous. Ruud is still top quality especially on the caf
If he wants to improve Brennan then Vogts is the man, straight in without changing decades around
No, a defender and Sammer moving to midfield behind Scholes and Matthaus. Top top midfield that.
Ah Scirea
When you cock up you take the hit and move on, no point beating around the bush, certainyl not when you get the opportunity to fix it.
I think I have my plan sorted.
Or Tresor. Don't want to start a rambling debate on Scirea again but I fancy Tresor as a better fit. Votes-wise probably Scirea.
He'll never go Tresor, I wouldn't even consider it even if he is a better fit. Don't think he would get half the votes of Scirea
VP is lucking great though and he is the first one I have really looked at, bet a few are in a similar position.
Might look at KM now
Might look at KM now
The fecker needs to wake up though.
I wish I could pick everyones upgrades, its so fun being a muppet
BTW, can we turn this into a Beach Soccer draft? I knew Junior was some sort of Beach Soccer God but I'm truly impressed:
- Copa América Winner 1994 to 1999, every year that is
- World Cup 1995-1999, every year as well
- World Cup Best Player 1995, 1997, 1998, 2000
- World Cup Top Scorer 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000
KM is surely Platini for Dalglish
He was never going to be rated properly on a United forum, he was absolutely brilliant but its just not got happen here. Platini is a lovely swap
He was never going to be rated properly on a United forum, he was absolutely brilliant but its just not got happen here. Platini is a lovely swap
Platini is a no brainer for KM. Dalglish against Scholes, Ruud and Cristiano is suicidal.