The Redcafe Decades Draft Tournament
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KM picked Romario, its Jayvin next
You'll be fine, you have great players (brilliant combination down the right) and I think we all know you can argue your points very well!
Seems to be a good spread of nationalities on here involved in this. Uruguay, America, India x 3, Australia, and even Wales
Who is Wales?
Oops, thought Stobzilla was but he must just be livin there
Antohan is always defeatist. I'm sure he was lamenting the luck of the draw when he had Pele and Maradona lined up as reinforcements in the last all-time draft.You'll be fine, you have great players (brilliant combination down the right) and I think we all know you can argue your points very well!
Aye.
The tabloids would have a field day with Best, and he wouldn't give a shit, while half the caf would be in meltdown over his antics and demanding a public (twitter) apology.
Jayvin is an Aussie isn't he ? It's 9am there. Finger out.
That entire draft was aimed at allowing for them later on. I played you with no Argie and a Brazilian sub. The idea was Pelé or Ronaldo and Messi or Maradona coming through, which was likely if I lasted. No luck of the draw involved, just needed to survive.
Very different here though. I look at the options and get the distinct impression the necessary pizzazz was picked in the early exchanges. I rate Eusebio very highly but we all know he will be as good as Shaun Goater if the other side has Messi.
So you try allow for those upgrades but there's no real clarity over whether they would come at all or slot in. It was easier to plan for incorporating an Argie, be it Messi or Maradona, while here you need to have Laudrup so you can then seamlessly take on Maradona, some shite 80s forward so Messi can slot in, but not a LW 80s chap as that would only work with the Ronnies...
It's a bit shit to go blind like that, which is what I'm defeatist about. If it works it will be pot luck, not design, and it is the design part and seeing it come to fruition which makes this a rollercoaster.
I have a plan now though, fingers crossed. Not overly optimistic, but can't see any other way to go about it. It will require people appreciating how good certain players really were, which is never a good thing. It also makes for uberlong tedious Antospam
Kps won't be back for hours, it's 4 30 am here.
Good delete there.
Yep, I always get the Ks mixed up
That entire draft was aimed at allowing for them later on. I played you with no Argie and a Brazilian sub. The idea was Pelé or Ronaldo and Messi or Maradona coming through, which was likely if I lasted. No luck of the draw involved, just needed to survive.
Very different here though. I look at the options and get the distinct impression the necessary pizzazz was picked in the early exchanges. I rate Eusebio very highly but we all know he will be as good as Shaun Goater if the other side has Messi.
So you try allow for those upgrades but there's no real clarity over whether they would come at all or slot in. It was easier to plan for incorporating an Argie, be it Messi or Maradona, while here you need to have Laudrup so you can then seamlessly take on Maradona, some shite 80s forward so Messi can slot in, but not a LW 80s chap as that would only work with the Ronnies...
It's a bit shit to go blind like that, which is what I'm defeatist about. If it works it will be pot luck, not design, and it is the design part and seeing it come to fruition which makes this a rollercoaster.
I have a plan now though, fingers crossed. Not overly optimistic, but can't see any other way to go about it. It will require people appreciating how good certain players really were, which is never a good thing. It also makes for uberlong tedious Antospam
I think it's interesting this way, people were complaining that the reinforcements make some of the initial teams unrecognisable by the end, this way places more importance on the first drafting process which may be a good thing.
I pick Cafu
Isotope : 1. Maradona 2. Moore 3. Iniesta
Cutch : 1. Messi 2. Breitner 3. Nesta
Stobzilla : 1. Pele 2. Rivaldo 3. Keane
paceme : 1. Cruyff 2. Van Basten 3. Koeman.
kps88 : 1. Platini 2. Neeskens 3. Kohler
Jayvin : 1. Best 2. Robson 3. Giggs 4. Cafu
KM : 1. Beckenbauer, 2. Schnellinger 3. Laudrup 4. Romario
EDogen : 1. Ronaldo, 2. Maldini 3. Falcão 4. Thuram
Gio : 1. Baresi 2. Charles 3. Facchetti 4. Davids
Fergus' son : 1. Matthaus 2. Scirea 3. Redondo 4. Zanetti
AldoRaine18 : 1. Rijkaard 2. Zico 3. Muller 4. Vidic
VP : 1. C Ronaldo 2. Gento 3. Scholes 4. Socrates
NM : 1. Zidane 2. Figueroa 3. Luis Suarez 4. Souness
antohan : 1. Garrincha 2. Eusebio 3. Desailly 4. Carlos Alberto
Brwned : 1. Edwards 2. Charlton 3. Figo 4. Ferdinand
Theon : 1. Ronaldinho 2. Xavi 3. Passarella 4. Jairzinho
Isotope : 1. Maradona 2. Moore 3. Iniesta
Cutch : 1. Messi 2. Breitner 3. Nesta
Stobzilla : 1. Pele 2. Rivaldo 3. Keane
paceme : 1. Cruyff 2. Van Basten 3. Koeman.
kps88 : 1. Platini 2. Neeskens 3. Kohler
Jayvin : 1. Best 2. Robson 3. Giggs 4. Cafu
KM : 1. Beckenbauer, 2. Schnellinger 3. Laudrup 4. Romario
EDogen : 1. Ronaldo, 2. Maldini 3. Falcão 4. Thuram
Gio : 1. Baresi 2. Charles 3. Facchetti 4. Davids
Fergus' son : 1. Matthaus 2. Scirea 3. Redondo 4. Zanetti
AldoRaine18 : 1. Rijkaard 2. Zico 3. Muller 4. Vidic
VP : 1. C Ronaldo 2. Gento 3. Scholes 4. Socrates
NM : 1. Zidane 2. Figueroa 3. Luis Suarez 4. Souness
antohan : 1. Garrincha 2. Eusebio 3. Desailly 4. Carlos Alberto
Brwned : 1. Edwards 2. Charlton 3. Figo 4. Ferdinand
Theon : 1. Ronaldinho 2. Xavi 3. Passarella 4. Jairzinho
Wow, right backs getting eaten up fast. Some good options left though...
Love Cafu, nice pick
It is, absolutely, I find it is harder than usual to be so far down though. The top vote winners usually go early but there's always room to come up with a plan that makes up for it and leaves you open for the upgrade. I'm not seeing it here. Just look through the picks so far and, allowing for brainfarts, it's evident those at the bottom are facing an uphill struggle working off leftovers. Not bad, but I don't see a likely winner emerging (Brwned has some significant United kudos going, but anyhwere outside Redcafe it wouldn't be a contest).
Mind you, I think a huge part of it is you, Gio and EDogen stuck bang in the middle. Nothing much gets past that filter! I've always said the middle or slightly after is best as you can keep tabs on how things are developing and react in a timely way. It's showing! Falcao-Redondo on the way down and Zanetti-Thuram going back up... I'm going to call you two 118-118 at this rate.
I was going to say that it's seems like a bigger disadvantage to be at the bottom in this draft so far, Aldo mentioned that he thought it easier for lower placed people in drafts but it doesn't seem like it is in this one, particularly because the first reinforcement round is so difficult to plan for. The latter picks make a lot of difference in these drafts IMO, and are what separate teams so lets see how it pans out, good planning with decades (like theon seems to have done) will probably go a long way..
I do hope at the latter end some people end up tied in knots and balance it out somewhat. But that applies equally to anyone wherever they started drafting from.
Re: Theon's 80s picks. I'm not too keen on the Xavi pick as he is the sort of player that revels in a certain setup, a setup unlikely to be consistent with multi-decade personnel. I hadn't even shortlisted him and my shortlist had about 80 players!
Ronaldinho is a top pick though. Garrincha was better, but I was hoping he would slip after Cristiano went. I would basically have the wingers he has but with a Jairzinho upgrade.
Re: Theon's 80s picks. I'm not too keen on the Xavi pick as he is the sort of player that revels in a certain setup, a setup unlikely to be consistent with multi-decade personnel. I hadn't even shortlisted him and my shortlist had about 80 players!
Ronaldinho is a top pick though. Garrincha was better, but I was hoping he would slip after Cristiano went. I would basically have the wingers he has but with a Jairzinho upgrade.
You hadn't short listed Xavi in the 80's decade? What a load of bollocks!
Xavi could play in any midfield three, there is blatantly no worries there. Barcelona got increasingly tika takka-ish with Pep but they used to play a far more varied style with Xavi when Eto'o was there.
Agree that being at the bottom in this draft sucks! I think I have only been near the top of a draft in the all time draft. I then fecked it up trying to play 4-4-2
Don't get the meme TBH.
I was looking into that sieve theory of mine and it seems spot on. Before this started I put together what would be the best possible side abiding by the rules and based on my preferences. No goalies picked so far but all the other 10 are gone: 5 picked by the sieve, 1 by Aldo, 1 VP and 1 trickling down to me. Only two gone before the sieve.
This is the worst case scenario: being bottom with a bunch of clued up people in the middle
I was looking into that sieve theory of mine and it seems spot on. Before this started I put together what would be the best possible side abiding by the rules and based on my preferences. No goalies picked so far but all the other 10 are gone: 5 picked by the sieve, 1 by Aldo, 1 VP and 1 trickling down to me. Only two gone before the sieve.
This is the worst case scenario: being bottom with a bunch of clued up people in the middle
Why would I shortlist someone I would have no intention of getting for so many rounds that he would be gone by then?
I do hope at the latter end some people end up tied in knots and balance it out somewhat. But that applies equally to anyone wherever they started drafting from.
Re: Theon's 80s picks. I'm not too keen on the Xavi pick as he is the sort of player that revels in a certain setup, a setup unlikely to be consistent with multi-decade personnel. I hadn't even shortlisted him and my shortlist had about 80 players!
Ronaldinho is a top pick though. Garrincha was better, but I was hoping he would slip after Cristiano went. I would basically have the wingers he has but with a Jairzinho upgrade.
I always think that people won't appreciate Xavi as much in non Barca esque set ups but I personally tend to think he'll be fine as long as the midfield has balance like any other...
By my count there were four final worthy 80's players, so if the opportunity came up at the right point in the draft its a no brainer.
Don't get the meme TBH.
I was looking into that sieve theory of mine and it seems spot on. Before this started I put together what would be the best possible side abiding by the rules and based on my preferences. No goalies picked so far but all the other 10 are gone: 5 picked by the sieve, 1 by Aldo, 1 VP and 1 trickling down to me. Only two gone before the sieve.
This is the worst case scenario: being bottom with a bunch of clued up people in the middle
Just meant that I just missed out in being named in that filter.
I would never have him as a a liability, just not the same player and nothing special with this sort of competition.
I wouldn't have a stab at him until round 5-6, if at all and he would be gone by then. I would never pick him as a reinforcement, unless I had something ressembling that Barca midfield, obviously. But then, I never have anything remotely close to a tiki-taka side.
Just meant that I just missed out in being named in that filter.
Rijkaard-Zico put you in there but you seem to have gone on your own path now, those three are bloodshed though. One reason I picked Carlos Alberto was that I expected them to start a run on RBs, will try to be a step ahead or going down a completely different path going forward. The latter is an issue, as they are on the right one
Yep never thought you would be interested in Muller, so did no harm there. Think I did enough by nicking Rijkaard.
Yeah trend tend to start at the start of rounds specially if two people close by go for same position (or decade as well in this case) so if it works it is awesome for those who already picked.
Edit : Just saw those three stole Redondo, Falcao and Facchetti in the same round. Now I understand.
Yeah trend tend to start at the start of rounds specially if two people close by go for same position (or decade as well in this case) so if it works it is awesome for those who already picked.
Edit : Just saw those three stole Redondo, Falcao and Facchetti in the same round. Now I understand.
I'm having a crisis. Anyone on that I can bounce an idea off ?
Go on.
Yep, up for another hour.
Sure. PM me.
Crisis over.
Did it have anything to do with the draft?