The RedCafe Boxing Thread

Posted by a bloke in the newbies:

Pac landed 176 punches while JMM landed 138. Power punches also went to Pacman 117 to 100.


How true's that then?

It should have been a bit biased and unfair because maybe out of those 100 punches less than 10 landed, most of them were blocked, both fighers were super quick and I don't blame the judges if they didn't get all the decisions right because you've got to watch it in slow motion to really tell whether the punches landed or not... However, you just have to watch the match to know that JMM got a few cleaner shots in... Pacman found it difficult to assault the counter and didn't really give a go for any body shots making most of his punches easy to dodge... In saying that you can really tell Pacman was having a poor day while JMM was top form and was precise with every movement...

JMM should have won, slightly though or maybe even a draw would have been appropriate...

I hated the commentators though, they were just trying to make a fuss out of a few wimpy punches that never connected... Whenever JMM tried a counter and missed they'd go... JMM lands a clean shot when clearly Pacman blocked them or they missed by a mile...

Also when Pacman landed a really clean counter in the 9th round and had Marquez retreating a tiny bit they were too busy in praising how Marquez.. "38" looked amazing...

It was quite fecked up but all in all it was a good boxing match and I'd love to see a rematch.
 
There were only two possible results for that fight: JMM win or a draw but no ways did Pacman win that. Also confirms what I've thought all along, Money would whip Pacman's ass. So I don't know why he's 'dodging'
 
It should have been a bit biased and unfair because maybe out of those 100 punches less than 10 landed, most of them were blocked, both fighers were super quick and I don't blame the judges if they didn't get all the decisions right because you've got to watch it in slow motion to really tell whether the punches landed or not... However, you just have to watch the match to know that JMM got a few cleaner shots in... Pacman found it difficult to assault the counter and didn't really give a go for any body shots making most of his punches easy to dodge... In saying that you can really tell Pacman was having a poor day while JMM was top form and was precise with every movement...

JMM should have won, slightly though or maybe even a draw would have been appropriate...

I hated the commentators though, they were just trying to make a fuss out of a few wimpy punches that never connected... Whenever JMM tried a counter and missed they'd go... JMM lands a clean shot when clearly Pacman blocked them or they missed by a mile...

Also when Pacman landed a really clean counter in the 9th round and had Marquez retreating a tiny bit they were too busy in praising how Marquez.. "38" looked amazing...

It was quite fecked up but all in all it was a good boxing match and I'd love to see a rematch.

I agree with a lot of this. It was not a clear result at all. Manny should not have won, at most it was a draw but JMM was not at all out of sight like the commentator were suggesting, some of the worst commentary I've ever heard, and Khan should be disabled from speaking in public again. Nearly every time JMM tried to counter and landed a soft touch or didn't even break through the defence they spazzed themselves, and this made for the whole JMM will take it away easily view. I watched the fight a couple more times and it's as easy as that, the defences were so good it's like a Mayweather fight, you had to watch it slowed down to judge a lot of those punches correctly, a luxury the judges couldn't afford. I'll respect other views but I saw a completely different game to that of the commentators, who clearly expected an early Manny knockout, and when that didn't happen they jumped on JMM taking the game through points from early. I don't think they gave him anywhere near as much respect as he should have got, and were consequently over-rating his generally excellent game, as something phenomenal.

I think a Draw may have been a fair result, I can understand how Manny was given the win too, even though it was the wrong outcome, as it was extremely close and due to a lack of a clear victor, it came down to subjectivity and how you value the defence of JMM which was superb, as was most of his game, to the agressor of Manny. Marquez would have had no complaints coming from that with the win, but I'd also agree with a draw.
The last few rounds were crucial as well, and I think JMM could have taken it in that last had he not eased up.
 
The clear and effective punching was coming for JMM. When he landed you could see Mannys head rock back. If a punch lands and is a glancing blow then sure it'll count as a punch scored but it shouldnt count as an equal to a genuinely effective blow. Also any punch that isnt a jab is noted as a "power" punch so it's a bit misleading.

Still, i can see peoples thoughts, because Manny was such a heavy favourite you can argue that just because it was competitive people were giving it to Marquez but personally i don't buy it.

Most rounds had the same pattern, Marquez basically controlling the round for 2 and a half minutes whilst Pacman would maybe have a flurry towards the end of the round. But for me if you control the round for 2 and a half minutes you win that round.

And to people complaining to badly about the commentary on Sky? i watched it on HBO and it was the opposite. They were all over Manny, at least the Sky commentators had the balls to say something different. HBO were just saying the same stuff about Manny they always do basically because he's the cash cow. I don't doubt it was even worse than the Sky commentary.
 
There were only two possible results for that fight: JMM win or a draw but no ways did Pacman win that. Also confirms what I've thought all along, Money would whip Pacman's ass. So I don't know why he's 'dodging'

I honestly don't believe the Pac Man camp is keen on the fight
 
Pacquiao-Marquez in Play For April or June, Schaefer Livid - Boxing News

^What a joke...what the feck for?




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by Chris LaBate

WBA/IBF junior welterweight champion Amir Khan is going to advise his good friend, Manny Pacquiao, to consider retirement. Last Saturday, Khan sat at ringside at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas and watched him win a controversial twelve round majority decision over Juan Manuel Marquez. The scores were 114-114, 115-113 and 116-112. Khan and Pacquiao are both trained by Freddie Roach.

In an earlier report, Khan revealed that he scored the fight in favor of Marquez by one or two points. He wants to see Pacquiao walk away. Khan feels the Filipino boxer has too much on his plate, between his personal life and his political career, to place his full concentration on being a top boxer.

"I’m going to tell Manny to consider retirement and not go on too long. He has some serious thinking to do – he was lucky and he got away with it against Márquez. The more he fights, the more it might take some of the gloss off his great legacy as the best fighter in the world. Look, he has so much on his plate, and on the strength of this performance, he wouldn’t beat Floyd Mayweather Jnr. For his sake, we have to be honest. He is my friend," Khan told The Daily Telegraph.

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Ouch.
 
Khan's a bit of a spastic isn't it.

Manny has always had a problem with JMM. And for what it's worth I also think he would lose to Mayweather, but where does retirement come into it at this point?

Khan should be closer to retirement that Manny, that's the truth of it.
 
Khan's a bit of a spastic isn't it.

Manny has always had a problem with JMM. And for what it's worth I also think he would lose to Mayweather, but where does retirement come into it at this point?

Khan should be closer to retirement that Manny, that's the truth of it.

How do you work that out?
 

Cotto-Margarito II HBO face off. Boom.

I can't fecking wait for this fight but the damage Margarito took in the Pacquiao fight has really taken its toll... look at his right eye, it's all over the place. Surprised he's been allowed to fight.

How do people think it's gonna play out?

I think Margarito has Cotto's number, personally. I don't think Cotto can keep moving for the full 12 rounds without having to stand and trade at times. Once Margarito starts walking through bombs and grinning Cotto will start having flashbacks to the first fight and it'll all start going wrong again (illegal handrwraps or not).

This of course depends on how much those ridiculous beatings at the hands of Pacquaio and Mosley have taken out of Marg, not to mention the punishment Cotto dished out in their first fight. Surely it'll all catch up to him sooner or later, and he's getting on a bit... has he got another fight or 2 left in him?

It's what makes it such an interesting fight. So many things to consider. It really is a genuine 50-50 affair.
 
It seems now people (the media) are finally starting to realise that Pacquiao hasn't got enough to beat Mayweather.

They all thought Floyd was dogging him, but after the Marquez fight, the tables have turned.
 

Cotto-Margarito II HBO face off. Boom.

I can't fecking wait for this fight but the damage Margarito took in the Pacquiao fight has really taken its toll... look at his right eye, it's all over the place. Surprised he's been allowed to fight.

How do people think it's gonna play out?

I think Margarito has Cotto's number, personally. I don't think Cotto can keep moving for the full 12 rounds without having to stand and trade at times. Once Margarito starts walking through bombs and grinning Cotto will start having flashbacks to the first fight and it'll all start going wrong again (illegal handrwraps or not).

This of course depends on how much those ridiculous beatings at the hands of Pacquaio and Mosley have taken out of Marg, not to mention the punishment Cotto dished out in their first fight. Surely it'll all catch up to him sooner or later, and he's getting on a bit... has he got another fight or 2 left in him?

It's what makes it such an interesting fight. So many things to consider. It really is a genuine 50-50 affair.


Looks like the fights going to be moved , the NY commission are likely to reject Margo's license. Also talk of Cotto might pull out as he'll be losing Puerto Rico fanbase if the fight is not in NYC.

Didn't someone on here say they were going to the fight? Hope they haven't book their flight yet or they have good travel insurance!
 
Seriously?

Why would they wait till 2 weeks before the fight before making the decision? And is it because of the handwraps issue or because Margarito's eye is fecked?

Hope it still goes ahead. Most intriguing fight for ages.
 
His eye..

A high-stakes political game was being played in New York on Friday with a man’s eyesight at stake.

The New York State Athletic Commission held a hearing in Manhattan on Friday to vote on whether to license Antonio Margarito to fight Miguel Cotto at Madison Square Garden on Dec. 3 in a rematch of their epic 2008 bout in Las Vegas.

At issue is Margarito’s fitness, or lack thereof, to fight.

Margarito suffered severe eye injuries during his Nov. 13, 2010, loss to Manny Pacquiao, a bout in which referee Laurence Cole and Margarito’s corner were derelict in their duties for failing to stop the match. Pacquiao was pummeling Margarito repeatedly about the head and Margarito had no chance to win after about the seventh round.

Those are the times when a fight should be stopped, to protect a brave fighter from himself. After the fight that night, Pacquiao trainer Freddie Roach told Yahoo! Sports, “I wish they had stopped the fight. They probably ruined his career by not stopping the fight.”

Margarito suffered a broken orbital bone and several serious injuries to the eye itself. He’s undergone multiple surgeries since and has had a cataract removed and a new lens put in.

The surgeries were performed by noted ophthalmologist Alan Crandall, the director of the Moran Eye Institute in Utah. Crandall was named by Castle Connolly Medical Ltd. as one of the top one percent of doctors in the U.S.

Crandall testified to the commission on Wednesday that Margarito is fit to fight. His opinion was backed by Rolando Toyo, the ophthalmologist of the NBA’s Memphis Grizzlies and the founder of the Sports Ophthalmic Society of the Americas.

After hearing the evidence on Wednesday, the three-person commission, made up of chairwoman Melvina Lathan and members Edwin Torres and Thomas Santino, reconvened on Friday to vote. But the group quickly went into executive session, clearly uncomfortable granting a boxing license to a guy whom its doctors had not physically examined.

When they came out, Lathan announced that she wanted Margarito to be examined by one of the commission’s doctors before it would license him.


That sounded like a reasonable request, except for one small matter: Why wait it until 15 days before the bout, which has already nearly sold out MSG, that such a request was made?

When the hearing resumed after the executive session ended, Lathan noted that she had asked Top Rank in September for Margarito’s medical records.

“For the record, we wouldn’t be where we are today if we had had the papers that were asked to be submitted way before we got them this time,” she said. “We asked for these works, these papers, these exam papers, we asked that we get this process started back in September, I believe. Somewhere around that date, I can’t be absolutely sure, but it was a while ago that we asked that all of the paperwork be given to us so that we would not be here today at this point right now.”

Lathan said she didn’t receive all of the requested information until Oct. 31. Top Rank chairman Bob Arum, in Houston to promote a bout on Saturday between Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. and Peter Manfredo Jr., said he was proceeding with the intention that there were no licensing issues.

“We were going blithely along doing our thing,” Arum said.

In the best-case scenario, there was a significant failure to communicate, and for that, blame has to fall on both parties. Arum himself arranged for Crandall to treat Margarito, so he should have been prepared early on to start the licensing process. Nothing would have prevented Arum from having one of his staff members ship Margarito’s medical records to New York in September.

Lathan’s angry words ring hollow, as well, however. She had the power to not simply request, but demand, that the records were in by a date of her choice. If her request wasn’t met, she simply would not agree to issue a license. As in most walks of life, people act only when a deadline forces them to do so.

If there is any chance that Margarito’s eyesight is in jeopardy, Margarito unquestionably shouldn’t be licensed to fight, no matter how much money he would earn nor how much the fight would mean to the local economy. No amount of money is worth a man’s eyesight.

Arum passionately defended his decision to attempt to go ahead with the fight, placing full belief in Crandall.

“This guy is the leading ophthalmologist in the world,” he said, nearly shouting into the telephone. “He’s the head of ophthalmologic surgery at the Moran Eye Institute. He’s huge. This guy is monstrous in [his profession]. This isn’t a storefront guy. This guy is the world leader in his field.”

Arum went on to say that the doctors told him that Margarito is at less risk now as a result of the surgeries he’s had.

But the state’s boxing regulators, as well as the politicians in New York, are clearly concerned about liability. Santino is New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo’s cousin, so it’s hardly a stretch to think that officials at the highest levels of state government were consulted during the executive session, which was closed to the public.

Margarito was asked, and his attorney agreed, to leave training camp and fly to a spot in the U.S. where he would meet a commission doctor yet to be chosen and be examined. That decision was made by the commission to protect it from liability should the worst-case scenario play out and Margarito’s eye would be injured in the fight.

That way, the commission can point out that it did everything possible to make certain that Margarito was fit to fight, going to the extraordinary length of flying a doctor across the country to examine him just two weeks before the bout.

In a way, though, it was all a dog-and-pony show. The fight is going to happen, one way or another. If New York denies him, Arum has been in contact with other commissions and has said he’ll stage the fight in another state. Texas is the leader, because Texas will license just about anyone other than a corpse, and officials at Cowboys Stadium in Arlington, Texas, are interested. Arum also said potential landing spots include Arizona and Colorado.

Anyone who saw the first fight between Margarito and Cotto has to be eager to see the second. It was one of the best fights in many years and the personal animosity between them has only grown. Cotto is convinced Margarito had loaded his gloves when they fought. Margarito told Cotto in Spanish during an HBO interview that he would allow Cotto to wrap his hands and said he’d still beat him.

It’s all great stuff, until you think of the possibility of Margarito losing his eyesight.

There is no issue in licensing him if medical experts say he’s at no greater risk than any other boxer would be. Whether he is fit to fight, however, is an issue that should have been determined weeks, if not months, ago.

That it has not been is a nearly unforgivable sin.
 
He’s undergone multiple surgeries since and has had a cataract removed and a new lens put in.

I have had that (and more) done. He shouldn't be in the ring.
 
By Ryan Maquiñana

Flanked by Trainer of the Year candidate Virgil Hunter and promoter Dan Goossen, WBA super middleweight champion Andre Ward of Oakland recently held his Media Day at his hometown training grounds of King’s Gym.

While “S.O.G.” did not work out, the aforementioned trio was gracious enough to field questions until everyone had asked their fill. Here’s what Ward (24-0, 13 KOs) told BoxingScene.com ahead of his Dec. 17 Showtime Super Six final in Atlantic City against WBC counterpart Carl Froch (28-1, 20 KOs) of England.


BoxingScene: Thanks for taking the time to talk to us, Andre. First and foremost, it’s now been about two months since you incurred the cut over your right eyebrow. It looks like it has properly healed, but can you go into detail on it?

Andre Ward: Like when it reportedly first came out, it was a weird type of thing. We took all the protective measures. We had grease and everything that we needed. It happened. We dealt with it accordingly. We got the best doctor to stitch me up. We took a mandatory rest period, and now we’re back at it. The cut is a non-issue.

Virgil Hunter: The cut has no factor at all in preparation. You can’t focus on one area and say he’s going to particularly focus on it. We’re targeting his nose. Got to get that out of the way. And then his mouth. So we’re not concerned about that.

BoxingScene: Andre, you’ve essentially had to have a second training camp. Have you approached this any differently, maybe with a sense of caution perhaps? Does it concern that you that Froch might target the healed cut as a point of weakness?

Andre Ward: Him targeting the cut is again a non-issue for us. That’s not something we talk about or think about. We have to execute our gameplan. We’re preparing physically the way we’re supposed to. And hey, as the opponent, that’s what he’s supposed to do. But I think he can possibly get himself in trouble trying to focus too hard on opening an old cut. He’s been cut before too, like in that fight with Pascal. He puffs up and bleeds, so he has a lot of targets that we’re going to be targeting, too.

BoxingScene: You’re one of the best fighters in the world as far as taking away your opponent’s best weapons, and your trainer Virgil Hunter does an outstanding job of planning out a fight. What weapons are you looking to take away from Froch? Does anything stick out to you?

Andre Ward: I think the gameplan is going to be a little of everything. If you watch my fights, that’s what we always try to do. We try not to fight one style because at this level, eventually enough people are going to watch tape on you, and they’re going to take advantage of that if you’re one-dimensional, so you’re going to see me get inside and get rough, and not just get rough, but be effective. I also have to do what have to do outside, inside, mid-range, a little bit of everything. I think the key will be to keep everything mixed up.

Virgil Hunter: You know what? I can’t say he has any outstanding weapon for sure. I mean, it’s not like we’re coming in preparing for Thomas Hearns’ right hand or anything. We’re going to try to take all his weapons away. Every single thing he’s got, we’re trying to handcuff, so not anything in particular. We’re trying to be the weapon. We intend to be the weapon. It’s his weapon against ours.

BoxingScene: Froch has said a lot of things to disparage you, including that he’d like to render you unconscious. Does that bother you at all, or is it just gamesmanship?

Andre Ward: It motivates me because I’m a father. I got a wife. I got a family, and there’s a part of me that says that’s not going to happen. That’s the part that fuels me, that motivates me. He’s saying I can’t punch, and that’s OK. I know what I got. The beauty of the actual fight date is that you get an opportunity where the truth comes out. Is he a little annoying? Sure. But in terms of taking me out of my game or having me angry to the point where I just lose it, it’s not going to happen. He’s barking up the wrong tree with that. But hey, let him keep talking, let him keep doing what he’s doing. I’m going to stay focused, and I’m going to have a chance to speak on December 17th.

BoxingScene: This is a big opportunity to fight for the first time on the East Coast against a British fighter with a lot at stake, on Showtime no less. Do you think this is the type of fight that gets you closer to being a crossover star in America?

Andre Ward: These are the kind of fights that you have to fight and you have to win in order for you to cross over, so this is huge in terms of the stakes that are on the line. But not only that, every fight gets bigger and bigger. From day one, I always approach every training camp this way. We prepare for every fight like there’s no tomorrow, and this fight isn’t any different.

Dan Goossen: It will be another step toward crossing over, and it’s always great to fight on the East Coast as well as the West Coast. It is going to be a broadcast that has that worldwide appeal because you do have America against Europe right now. And those are good ingredients to have, not that there’s anything from the standpoint of anything other than bragging rights, and we feel we have the best athletes in America. And as Andre did with the Olympics in 2004, I think he’ll get those same type of goosebumps knowing he’s going to be fighting for America.

BoxingScene: The Manny Pacquiao-Juan Manuel Marquez III fight last week was marked by controversy, especially because there are those who felt that Pacquiao won rounds on the judges’ cards mainly based on his propensity to come forward and initiate action, and not necessarily prioritizing Marquez’ counterpunching, which others felt carried him to victory. Does that enter your mind as far as your concern about the judges maybe doing the same thing on Dec. 17th if you’re not aggressive enough?

Andre Ward: I think I lead, I think I counter. I do a little bit of everything. I’m not worried about that. I can’t go into a fight worried about thing like, ‘What if I get cut, or what if I break my hand?’ You think about this stuff, but you don’t harp on it. I’m just going to do what I’m going to do and hope to keep getting better each time out.

Virgil Hunter: I think that trend of judging started with the rise of M M A. It’s not about science anymore, but rather who busted who in the teeth. But it’s no time to worry about the judges, that’s for sure. Watching the Froch-Johnson fight, body language signified a lot for me. You just can’t worry about that stuff because it’s not in your hands. You have to win round by round, so that’s none of our concern.

BoxingScene: I know you don’t want to look past Froch, but down the line, if you win, you’re looking at maybe another unification battle with Lucian Bute, and many have clamored for a fight with Sergio Martinez if he ever decides to move up from middleweight one day. Do you have a preference on the route you’d like to take?

Andre Ward: All of them are good fights down the road. I don’t know if Martinez will move up because the weight might be too big for him, but he’s a great fighter and it would be a great fight, too. The winner of [Mikkel] Kessler and [Robert] Stieglitz is another one as far as cleaning out the division. I read on BoxingScene that report about if Kessler wins, that they’d put up $10 million for me to go to Copenhagen if I win the Super Six. Very interesting article. The Bute fight would be another good one because he’s a talented fighter as well, but as with all of them, it remains to be seen. I’m focusing on Froch for now and giving the fans and the boxing world a great performance.

Dan Goossen: The great thing about taking those steps to greatness is that it allows you to have various scenarios out there that make it a big fight.

BoxingScene: Like Martinez?

Dan Goossen: Exactly. There’s all various types of fighters, and they’re constantly coming. A year ago, if you would have said Floyd Mayweather and Victor Ortiz would have done 1.2 million homes, someone would have called you nuts. Heres’ a guy that quit and was vilified by the fans and the media, but yet, [he] comes out and gets that one great win against [Andre] Berto and here is fighting Floyd Mayweather. So you never know when that next big opportunity comes. We’ve got a lot of things out there. You’ve got all those fights you’ve already mentioned, and we’ve got the fights you don’t know about yet.

BoxingScene: Do you have any parting words to your fans in the Bay Area and around the world, along with a prediction for the fight?

Andre Ward: To the Bay Area fans, I love and appreciate you. I get more love here than anywhere else in the world, and rightfully so, being that I’m homegrown. I’m going to continue to grow and get better. I’m a young fighter. I’m going to continue to put on great performances and bring it back to Oakland. I appreciate the support, and we’re looking to get our hands raised on December 17th.


Crotch is getting his ass kicked.
 
Pretty reckless decision but I'm glad it's going ahead.
Crotch is getting his ass kicked.
Hmm quite possibly. Ward is too intelligent for Froch. I think he might even stop him.

Although I'm pretty sure I said Kessler and Abraham had a good chance of stopping him too, so what the feck do I know?
 
I am not sure whether Ward has the pop to stop him. I do believe that he has the talent to drub him 10-2, or something equally embarrassing.

Kessler had him going a few times, while AA just turned out to be too small for 168 in general.
 
Yeah I'm a big fan too but Ward clearly has too much for him. His heart and chin (and some underrated long-range boxing skills) have got him to the S6 final, but here's where they'll fall short, unfortunately.

There's no shame there. Dragging yourself to the top of one of the most stacked divisions in the sport isn't exactly a bad achievement.

Can see this fight being a fecking ugly style match up, mind.
 
Pacquiao 'in talks with Mayweather'

WBO welterweight champion Manny Pacquiao has made the shock revelation that talks have begun over a clash with Floyd Mayweather Jnr, the WBC king, on May 5.

Pacquiao was expected to face Juan Manuel Marquez in his next fight after their meeting earlier this month ended in controversial circumstances. The judges awarded the contest to Pacquiao, but most of those in attendance - and many respected commentators - disputed the decision as they felt Marquez won.

Following the rumpus, a rematch with Marquez looked likely for Pacquiao, but he has revealed that nothing is set in stone. That news comes as a boost to Mayweather, whose advisor revealed before the Marquez clash that the unbeaten American was interested in facing Pacquiao during 2012.

"Negotiations are ongoing for my fight with Mayweather, but nothing is final," Pacquiao said, according to abs-cbnnews.com. "Mayweather may be thinking 'I can fight Pacquiao now because he had trouble against Marquez, and I was able to beat up Marquez'."

Negotiations between the Mayweather and Pacquiao camps have traditionally been awkward, with the most recent discussions ending because of a dispute over the timing of blood testing. If no deal can be agreed, Mayweather has the option of Sergio Martinez, the WBC middleweight champion.

"To be considered one of the best pound-for-pound I just need this little push, a great fight with one of the two [Mayweather or Pacquiao]," Martinez said. "I feel as if I have achieved nothing yet in boxing. Nothing. If I quit tomorrow people would forget about me. I would even forget about myself."

Manny Pacquiao 'in talks with Floyd Mayweather Jnr' | Boxing News | ESPN.co.uk
 
by Pawel Pronishev

Alex Ariza, the strength and conditioning coach of WBO welterweight champion Manny Pacquiao, blames Top Rank's CEO Bob Arum, who promotes Pacquiao, and Michael Koncz, the agent of Pacquiao, as standing in way of a possible super-fight with Floyd Mayweather Jr., already scheduled to return on May 5th at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas. During an explosive interview with Fighthype.com, Ariza erupted when approached about the subject of Koncz and Arum, claiming the two of them are going to do everything possible to prevent the mega-match from taking place. Ariza made several allegations against Arum and Koncz, including one claim that Koncz is preventing any outside parties from reviewing Pacquiao's financial records.

Ariza said - "I know that Michael Koncz says that he's having a meeting with Bob to negotiate the Mayweather fight. They're having a meeting on how to make sure that this fight doesn't happen. That's what their meeting is about. Michael Koncz is Bob Arum's b*tch boy. He's not fooling anybody. Don't you think it was odd that there was such a push to get this accounting company [VisionQwest] out? Why is that?"

"Why is it that anytime somebody wants to dig around and wants to sit there and look and see what's going on with Manny, making sure that the best interest is at hand, why is it that there's a full court press to get those people out of there? Why is that? That's what's going on. I mean, what is it? If you got nothing to hide, why is it such a push to get these people away? Why is Michael Koncz always trying to f**king make sure everything goes through him? If there's any problems with these accounting companies, why is it that he's always trying to stop that? Maybe the findings are going to come out. Checks being written to Michael Koncz from Top Rank, what's that all about? That sounds like the biggest conflict of interest that I've ever seen. I thought Michael Koncz was working for Manny in Manny's best interest. Why is he getting checks from f**king Top Rank"

Boxingscene
 
By Jhonny Gonzalez

Golden Boy Promotions' head matchmaker, Eric Gomez, is in Mexico City for Saul "Canelo" Alvarez's Saturday defense against Kermit Cintron, and discussed Golden Boy's desire to put together a super-fight between welterweight champions Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Manny Pacquiao. Mayweather is scheduled for action on May 5th at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas. Gomez told Sal Rodriguez that Top Rank and their CEO Bob Arum are not interested in matching Pacquiao against Mayweather.

"We got a letter on Monday on the part of Bob Arum, after the fight between Manny and Juan Manuel Marquez, and he said he wasn't interested in making a Pacquiao-Mayweather fight. I think Manny Pacquiao wants to fight Mayweather and I think Bob Arum doesn't want the fight. We are willing to work with him, everyone wants the fight, but Top Rank doesn't," said Gomez.

Boxingscene


Disgusting. Blob knows his main cash cow will get his ass kicked.
 
It's got to be one of the most boring and dragged out fights in history and even then its not a gurantee its ever gonna happen. I know they want to hype it for a long time so they can bill at as a "long awaited" fight and it will probably be after one or both fighters are past their prime.

It should have been done and dusted atleast 2 years ago and we should all either be talking about them having a re-match or what a great fight it was. In reality they have frustrated almost every boxing fan in the world and shown what boxing is really for these days, big huge feckoff paydays for the many stooges that have fingers in pies.
 
It's got to be one of the most boring and dragged out fights in history and even then its not a gurantee its ever gonna happen. I know they want to hype it for a long time so they can bill at as a "long awaited" fight and it will probably be after one or both fighters are past their prime.

It should have been done and dusted atleast 2 years ago and we should all either be talking about them having a re-match or what a great fight it was. In reality they have frustrated almost every boxing fan in the world and shown what boxing is really for these days, big huge feckoff paydays for the many stooges that have fingers in pies.

A-fecking-men
 
Canelo wants Mayweather :lol:

Just making the jump from fighting absolute shitehouses to one of the best in the last 20 years.
 
I can't imagine Goldenboy will let him anywhere near Floyd at this point.
 
Did you see the Alvarez fight Lance? He looked decent I thought, not his best performance to date though.

Yeah. Cintron has been done for a while, though, so it's hard to read much into it. I have never bought into the Alvarez hype, to be honest. He just looks like a solid, if unspectacular, young fighter to me.

He should concentrate on cleaning out his own division before calling out Mayweather.
 
Floyd is coming out heavy - May 5th. Jot that date lads. It might be historic.
 
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WBC welterweight champion Floyd Mayweather Jr. (42-0, 26KOs) is pushing harder than he's ever pushed in the past, to get WBO champ Manny Pacquiao (54-3-2, 38KOs) in the ring. Mayweather has a lock on the HBO date, May 5th, and the venue has been placed on hold - the MGM Grand in Las Vegas.

After several periods of failed negotiations, and years of anticipation from fans, Mayweather wants the bout agreement in hand and he is ready to sign it immediately. But, Mayweather states that he won't sit around forever for a deal to get ironed out.

"May 5th, I'm ready. I'm ready to sign. I'm ready to sign today. If I sign today, you [referring to Pacquiao] better sign tomorrow," Mayweather told fighthype.com.

Nanderson has been surprisingly quiet recently. :smirk:
 
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Nanderson has been surprisingly quiet recently. :smirk:



I'm still here, just haven't felt the need to butt in yet. I do think the Marquez fight has altered people's opinions - the fight is certainly less appealling now although it's still the best fight out there.

I have Floyd as favourite, I do still believe however that if anyone can cause Floyd problems, it's Manny. Pacman has been uninspiring in his last two bouts to say the least, which obviously cools some of the anticipation. I never said that Pacquiao would definitely beat Mayweather or anything close to that, in fact I was perched firmly on the fence. It was the insistence that one fighter had no chance that pissed me off.

Having seen Manny struggle yet again against Marquez (who was in much better shape physically than he was against Floyd), it's becoming harder to see ways in which he can beat Floyd. I think Manny has hurt himself the last couple fights by overthinking in the ring. Before that, he was boxing on instincts, getting in fast and throwing combinations before bouncing out. He is trying too hard to pick his punches perfectly now. The only way he can win against Floyd is to pressure, pressure and pressure some more and hope Floyd can't deal with it, or can't land as many back.

Ortiz looked fine in there with Floyd when he was aggressive. Floyd did not lookn as good to me in that fight, still great yes, but his age is catching up with him. His reflexes were slightly slower and this leaves Manny a chance if the same thing has not affected him.


PS. I think it's quite cunning that Floyd came out and acts like Pacquiao is the one ducking the fight. Perfect timing - he realises that Manny does not pose as much of a threat as he thought and is pushing hard for it. The fanboys will take this hook, line and sinker. I wouldn't at all be surprised if Floyd dropped the test demands now that he's seen Marquez get in there with Pacquiao and give him trouble without crying for a test. It's all a big game for Floyd. Arum is the one now holding this up. Hopefully Manny steps up and pushes it through because I'm not sure how much chance there is of this happening if he doesn't.
 
Except that Floyd already agreed to fight Pac. The fight didn't occur because Pac refused to submit to Olympic style testing. These are facts.
 
Except that Floyd already agreed to fight Pac. The fight didn't occur because Pac refused to submit to Olympic style testing. These are facts.


Yes, but the point is that Floyd came up with the whole shenanigans in order to avoid the fight. And Pacquiao agreed to the tests a long time ago, yet Floyd kept repeating his mantra, "Take the test." All a bit silly, really.

I think you're a bit gullible if you don't believe that Mayweather was terrified at the possibility of losing his 0. He's obviously much more confident of his chances now, and probably rightly so.
 
If he was terrified, why did he agree to fight him? Unless you are suggesting that he somehow knew that Pac was "afraid of needles" and would refuse to submit to the testing?