I'd disagree the heavyweight is a smaller division unlike the featherweight - welter. It is far easier to be knocked off and land opportunity through mandatories because of how refined the division is. Fighters can climb the rankings with the independent bodies faster than most other weight classes. That's excluding markets, PPV, gate earning etc. It's a lucrative division.
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I'd disagree the heavyweight is a smaller division unlike the featherweight - welter. It is far easier to be knocked off and land opportunity through mandatories because of how refined the division is. Fighters can climb the rankings with the independent bodies faster than most other weight classes. That's excluding markets, PPV, gate earning etc. It's a lucrative division.
Yeah, agreed. I don't know where AJ goes from now. Whyte again?
Is Joyce the boogeyman of the division now ? I can't see Fury or Wilder fighting him. AJ would take it as a last resort I'd imagine.
That Wilder KO was ridiculous. We all knew he could crack obviously, but I've never seen somebody KO'd by a shot like that. He basically had zero leverage on that punch and still sent Helenius straight to Valhalla.
I hate calling 'dive' but I was highly suspect watching it first with no sound. Shite boxer but absolutely inhuman power.
I hate calling 'dive' but I was highly suspect watching it first with no sound. Shite boxer but absolutely inhuman power.
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Whyte or Joyce, then the winner of Wilder vs Ruiz Jr and hope Fury sticks around long enough.
So Fury v Chisora. That’s the fight we all wanted right? So frustrating for Tyson to have got hopes up of a Joshua fight when he clearly never had any intention of anything other than an easy pre Xmas payday.
Is it on Fury or not that Joshua didn't happen? We won't ever know of course but Joshua never came across as exactly wanting it to happen.
AJ.
Why would Fury not fight AJ? Easy payday, and a big one too. Either AJ/his team didn't fancy another L, or AJ got greedy with his demands.
Boxing is such a joke. What is the point in the different organisations if they allow their World Champion to fight a 38 year who’s lost 3 of the last 4.
Who else could he realistically fight at this stage when he wants to fight? He tried Joshua and he hasn’t happened. Usyk isn’t ready to fight in December. He’s just beaten Whyte. Joyce just had a fight so he isn’t ready. Who else is there that fans wouldn’t shit all over?
He likely wants to fight before the end of the year and make decent money doing it and then hopefully any of Joshua, Joyce or Usyk happens next summer. At least Chisora is a game opponent even if he is getting on.
He likely wants to fight before the end of the year and make decent money doing it and then hopefully any of Joshua, Joyce or Usyk happens next summer. At least Chisora is a game opponent even if he is getting on.
Don't think they have announced the mandatory yet which means he can fight who he likes
I'm surprised he can motivate himself to get out of bed and go through a training camp to face a guy he's beaten comfortably twice.
loads of money.
Fair. It’s only been six months since Fury last defended the titles, I’m sure they’re busy with other stuff.
Heavyweight boxing is a bad joke. I can’t even get excited about it anymore….and that’s from someone who made the effort actually go watch AJ lose the titles to Usyk
Nothing motivates like money.
Did he? All I saw was a very public show to try and look like he wanted the fight. The whole self-imposed deadline was ridiculous, it was never going to be wrapped up by the date he set and he knew it.
Hrgovic would have been a more interesting fight than Chisora III, so would Bakole. Maybe Ruiz or Joyce would have been ready who knows.
Even if he insists on sticking to this date then Dubois is on the undercard, that would have been a better fight.
If Fury rocked up and announced Hrgovic or Bakole he would have been shit on, let's be real. Ruiz has just fought Ortiz last month, very doubtful he's wanting to come out of that and fight in December and Joyce will be saved for a big fight for 2023. Never in a million years would Fury/Dubois have been a better fight, it would have been a mauling.
Fury and Chisora have history and Chisora is always game, it'll be a good scrap. Of course we all want to see Fury against Joshua, Usyk or even Joyce. Fury clearly wanted to fight at the start of December and if Joshua or his team really wanted that fight I'm sure it would have happened. Fury has clearly wound Heard up by doing what he's done which in fairness is lovely to see, couldn't have happened to a nicer bloke
How much money is there really in a 3rd fight against Chisora. Its going to flop PPV wise in my opinion.
Anyone who pays to see that fight is a weirdo. Couldn't be less interested in it. Sick and tired of how much of a mess boxing is in the HW division.
well I wont pay for it anyway - Fury is boring me now.
There has to be some money in it - otherwise zero point in it
If Fury rocked up and announced Hrgovic or Bakole he would have been shit on, let's be real. Ruiz has just fought Ortiz last month, very doubtful he's wanting to come out of that and fight in December and Joyce will be saved for a big fight for 2023. Never in a million years would Fury/Dubois have been a better fight, it would have been a mauling.
Fury and Chisora have history and Chisora is always game, it'll be a good scrap. Of course we all want to see Fury against Joshua, Usyk or even Joyce. Fury clearly wanted to fight at the start of December and if Joshua or his team really wanted that fight I'm sure it would have happened. Fury has clearly wound Heard up by doing what he's done which in fairness is lovely to see, couldn't have happened to a nicer bloke
Yeah but they'd have been better than this shite.
Why push through with the date if you can't get a decent opponent? End of the day there is a lot that needs to be sorted out contract wise in fights the magnitude of Fury-AJ, they don't get done and dusted and signed in a matter of days, Fury isn't stupid he's been around the game long enough to know this is the case so it was a simple but very obvious power play/PR move on his part.
Are they going to sell out the stadium, which is open air, in December for this fight? Surely Millenium Stadium which has a roof, or even a big arena, say the o2 would have been better actual venues? Then they have to try and sell this thing on PPV on top. I can only imagine they'll have told both Tyson and Del Boy that they need to go over and above their usual antics to drum up interest in the fight.
On the whole Tyson / AJ thing, it all seemed a show from the start. Asking AJ to sign within a week (or whatever it was) of receiving a contract was never going to be enough time, which everyone from the fighters to the fans knew. It was just for the Insta vids and call outs to gain some clout and say, 'he ducked me'. I'm not a massive AJ fan and think Tyson would KO him if they do fight, but AJ comes out of this better than Tyson IMO. He can relax a little bit, pick a decent opponent to get back in with, and start his rebuild. If/when they do fight, it needs to be a stadium fight, mid-summer and in UK, so maybe it's all being sorted for the summertime?
On the whole Tyson / AJ thing, it all seemed a show from the start. Asking AJ to sign within a week (or whatever it was) of receiving a contract was never going to be enough time, which everyone from the fighters to the fans knew. It was just for the Insta vids and call outs to gain some clout and say, 'he ducked me'. I'm not a massive AJ fan and think Tyson would KO him if they do fight, but AJ comes out of this better than Tyson IMO. He can relax a little bit, pick a decent opponent to get back in with, and start his rebuild. If/when they do fight, it needs to be a stadium fight, mid-summer and in UK, so maybe it's all being sorted for the summertime?
This era of HW had so much potential. Fury v Chisora is such an uninspiring fight.
I like Fury and Chisora but I have no interest in watching this fight never mind paying to do so.
looks like no Spence Crawford either
Yeah, disappointing. Unfortunately there probably just isn't the money in it that both sides want.
He's apparently getting a $10m+ guaranteed purse to fight Avanesyan; I'm not sure who's promoting this fight but they're probably going to lose a tonne of money if that's the case.
I have no interest in Fury-Chisora 3 but if he is fighting Usyk in March as mooted then i get it as he's only fought once this year.
It's a poor fight but there is a definite lack of options once Joshua didn't get made.
It's a poor fight but there is a definite lack of options once Joshua didn't get made.
Let’s be honest it’s a shit fight with little interest (Fury-Chisora). I assume there’s going to be a hard sell by both fighters in the lead up so expect something controversial to happen to attract interest.
I can't see it doing much on PPV but the tickets will shift to the casuals. i reckon there will be 50k+ there.
It's just a warm up fight for Usyk
You dossers
You dossers
Spence Crawford really disappointing.
I think Fury simply is fighting to remain active in anticipation of the Usyk fight 2023. The fight quite clearly was offered to Joshua but the connotations of one of the interviews Hearn sounded like he nor Joshua was really up for it and narrative from Eddie clearly being for Joshua to get a few more wins under his belt before another title bout.
I think Fury simply is fighting to remain active in anticipation of the Usyk fight 2023. The fight quite clearly was offered to Joshua but the connotations of one of the interviews Hearn sounded like he nor Joshua was really up for it and narrative from Eddie clearly being for Joshua to get a few more wins under his belt before another title bout.
Sounds like Benn is guilty.
Are you assuming this because he relinquished his license? It sounds like the BBBoC have charged him with misconduct for something that isn't just necessarily about the failed VADA test and it's pissed him off and he's decided to give up his license as a symbol of that. Don't think that's an admission of guilt or anything, he and his team seem to be adamant still that he's clean.
Think there was news this evening he had 2 positive tests about a month apart, bit of a coincidence or just the same food/drink he continued to consume obliviously?
Jake Paul beats Anderson Silva by UD, and knocked him down in the last round. Seems as though Nate Diaz is the next opponent pencilled in.
Really hoped Anderson would have KOd him but at 47 years old it wouldn't have been fair to expect him to be the same as his MMA days.
Jake Paul really needs to stop fighting retired MMA fighters now and start calling out young and less experienced boxers. At the end of the day he is calling himself a boxer but still hasn't fought against one yet.
His fights are blatantly rigged.
Opponents are getting paychecks they've never seen before. Anderson just stopped throwing punches at points. He was piecing him up when he was trying.
Opponents are getting paychecks they've never seen before. Anderson just stopped throwing punches at points. He was piecing him up when he was trying.
Silva was a shell of himself the last few years in which he competed in the UFC. He was slowing down and the punches that he used to throw with lightening speed were being telegraphed and seen a mile away by his opponents. It's not an entirely shocking thing to see him bested (and knocked down) but it's still sad to see. Jake Paul isn't a gimmick boxer until he starts to fight younger, professional boxers.
A fight with Diaz is just a continuation of what we have seen so far.